¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

¿Y?

¿Cuando traerás BIBLIA????

¿O le tienes aversión a la Biblia?... ¡pura historia y diccionarios! ... y Biblia ¡¡NADA!

¿Cuando traeras el ejemplo de un israelita UNO SOLO, nada más ni nada menos que UNO SOLO... bautizándose... en el A.T. ???

¡Biblia Leal.... Biblia!!... deja por un rato el bagaje de diccionarios, libros de historia, originales, y etc. etc. etc. ¡descansa hombre!!! y toma la Biblia, que ella no cansa ni ocupa tantos camiones de libros...

Saludos
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mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:50%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> A su debido tiempo analizaremos los pasajes bíblicos pertinentes, ahora aun continúa la campaña contra la ignorancia. Digo, a no ser que ya comprendas que Juan no fue el primero en bautizar en Israel. Si ya sabes que el bautismo en agua no es un rito originario del cristianismo, entonces podremos pasar a otro segmento.


[FONT=&quot] Ya te quite la excusa del idioma, ahi tienes un poco del background del bautismo en agua en español, asi que saca la cabeza del hueco e instrúyete... [/FONT]
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

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21Y le preguntaron: ¿Entonces, qué? ¿Eres Elías? Y él dijo*: No soy. ¿Eres el profeta? Y respondió: No.
22Entonces le dijeron: ¿Quién eres?, para que podamos dar respuesta a los que nos enviaron. ¿Qué dices de ti mismo?
23El dijo: Yo soy LA VOZ DEL QUE CLAMA EN EL DESIERTO: "ENDEREZAD EL CAMINO DEL SEÑOR", como dijo el profeta Isaías.
24Los que habían sido enviados eran de los fariseos
25Y le preguntaron, y le dijeron: Entonces, ¿por qué bautizas, si tú no eres el Cristo, ni Elías, ni el profeta?

26Juan les respondió, diciendo: Yo bautizo en agua, pero entre vosotros está Uno a quien no conocéis.
27El es el que viene después de mí, a quien yo no soy digno de desatar la correa de su sandalia.
28Estas cosas sucedieron en Betania, al otro lado del Jordán, donde Juan estaba bautizando.

Sobre este tema me vino a la mente este versículo dónde dice con claridad que el bautismo de agua no era algo común sino reservado al Cristo y Elías , en verdad al enviado con el poder de Elías que era Juan el Bautista pero no era Elías .


Además está el de Nicodemo

Juan 3
Jesús y Nicodemo
1 Había un hombre de los fariseos que se llamaba Nicodemo, un principal entre los judíos.
2 Este vino a Jesús de noche, y le dijo: Rabí, sabemos que has venido de Dios como maestro; porque nadie puede hacer estas señales que tú haces, si no está Dios con él.
3 Respondió Jesús y le dijo: De cierto, de cierto te digo, que el que no naciere de nuevo, no puede ver el reino de Dios.
4 Nicodemo le dijo: ¿Cómo puede un hombre nacer siendo viejo? ¿Puede acaso entrar por segunda vez en el vientre de su madre, y nacer?
5 Respondió Jesús: De cierto, de cierto te digo, que el que no naciere de agua y del Espíritu, no puede entrar en el reino de Dios.
6 Lo que es nacido de la carne, carne es; y lo que es nacido del Espíritu,[a] espíritu es.
7 No te maravilles de que te dije: Os es necesario nacer de nuevo.
8 El viento sopla de donde quiere, y oyes su sonido; mas ni sabes de dónde viene, ni a dónde va; así es todo aquel que es nacido del Espíritu.
9 Respondió Nicodemo y le dijo: ¿Cómo puede hacerse esto?
10 Respondió Jesús y le dijo: ¿Eres tú maestro de Israel, y no sabes esto.

No era común el bautismo de agua sino lo entendía Nicodemo , un maestro de Israel.


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mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:50%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> ¿Y quien dice que Jesús se está refiriendo al bautismo de Juan, en su conversación con Nicodemo?
¿Acaso crees que mojándote en una palangana con agua vas a nacer de nuevo? Eso esta bien que lo crea Dagoberto, que bautiza a infantes, por aspersión como le enseñaron los curas, pero...


El rito del bautismo que practicó Juan en su ministerio, era un rito más que conocido y practicado en Israel.
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

¿Que extraño no?

Que siendo una COSTUMBRE judía...¡no existe UN SOLO EJEMPLO EN LA BIBLIA... de un israelita bautizándose... y... por inmersión!...

¿Que extraño no?

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Tú has sido adoctrinado por los curas católicos, y desconoces, por ejemplo, cómo los israelitas cumplían el mandato de Lv.22:4-6

Immersion of the Whole Body.
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[FONT=&quot]The washing of the whole body is the form of Ablution most frequently ordained in Scripture, and for the greatest number of causes. According to rabbinical interpretation, this is only valid when performed by immersion, either in a natural fountain or stream or in a properly constructed mi[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ḳ[/FONT]weh, or ritual bath, containing at least forty seahs (about one hundred and twenty gallons) of water (see Baths).


The following are the cases in which the Mosaic Law requires immersion of the whole body, the object being either purification or consecration: (a) No leper or unclean person of the seed of Aaron could eat of holy flesh until he had washed his whole body in water (Lev. xxii. 4-6). (b) When a leper was healed of his leprosy, he shaved off his hair, offered up the prescribed sacrifices, washed his clothing, bathed his person in water, and became clean (Lev. xiv. 8, 9). (c) Any person who came into contact with the body of, or with articles of furniture used by, a person having an unclean issue (
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), or with any article used by him, was obliged to wash both his body and his garments, and was unclean for a whole day (Lev. xv. 5-10). (d)



On the Day of Atonement the high priest, after sending off the scapegoat (see Azazel), was obliged to wash his whole body in water in a holy place. The same duty devolved upon the man who took away the goat and upon him who burned the ox and the goat of the sin-offering; and they were also required to wash their garments (Lev. xvi. 24, 26, 28). According to the Talmud, on the Day of Atonement the high priest immersed his whole person five times and washed his hands and feet ten times (Mishnah, Yoma, iii. 3). (e) A sufferer from an unclean issue to be clean required immersion of the whole person (Lev. xv. 16, 18). (f) Whoever touched a menstruous woman, or any article used by her, required immersion of the whole person (Lev. xv. 19-27). (g) A native Israelite or a proselyte eating unclean flesh of a beast which had died of itself, or had been torn, became thereby unclean for a day, and was obliged to wash his whole body (Lev. xvii. 15). (h) The priest who tended the red heifer, itself intended as a rite of purification, became unclean for a day and was obliged to wash his whole body (Num. xix. 7, 8). (i) Whoever came into contact with a corpse or a grave was unclean for seven days. On the third and seventh days he was sprinkled with water in which ashes from the burnt carcass of the red heifer had been dissolved. On the seventh day he washed his whole body and his garments in water and became clean (Num. xix. 19). (j) Among the ceremonies at the installation of priests was the washing of the whole body (Ex. xxix. 4, xl. 12). (k) The Levites were purified by having water of the sin-offering sprinkled upon them (Num. viii. 15). (l) A menstruous woman requires immersion, as is shown by II Sam. xi. 2, 4, and the rabbinical interpretation of Num. xxxi. 23. Most of the above purifications, with the exception of the last, are in abeyance at the present time, it being impossible, in the judgment of rabbinical authorities, to observe them properly in the dispersion.



[FONT=&quot]The immersions for the sake of ritual purity at the festivals are, however, still observed by the pious. The Karaites follow all the laws of purity. The numerous sects of the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Ḥ[/FONT]asidim are especially scrupulous in their ablutions. A Gentile wishing to become a proselyte must also immerse his whole body. This ceremony is, no doubt, historically allied to Baptism, which is thought by modern authorities to have originated among the Essenes, who were very scrupulous respecting ablutions, and in the observance of the rules of purity (see Lustration; Sprinkling).
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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> No quiero mentirte pero creo que si escuche mal en un programa de N Geographic hace unas semanas, los últimos estudios de los esenios dice que fue una fábula la declaración que se hizo como poseedores de los manuscritos encontradas en las cercanías sería imposible y lo de la fuente para bautismo también se cree que fue otra fábula.
Mis bendiciones.


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Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

Originalmente enviado por Leal
Es lógico que a un ignorante que insiste en mantenerse en la ignorancia, le sea extraño eso. Tú has sido adoctrinado por los curas católicos, y desconoces, por ejemplo, cómo los israelitas cumplían el mandato de Lv.22:4-6
Jajaja... ¿se te acabaron los argumentos???

¿Cuando responderas la pregunta que hasta ahora es tu vergüenza,... para seguir enseñandote sobre la doctrina de bautismos?

Saludos
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

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Estudios recientes, particularmente los relacionados con la Dra. Rachel Elior de la Universidad Hebrea de Jerusalén, sugieren que los manuscritos del Mar Muerto o rollos de Qumrán, no fueron escritos por los Esenios, sino por sacerdotes expulsados del templo de Jerusalén. Para Elior, los Saduceos, una secta descendiente del sumo sacerdote Sadoc que ungió a Salomón como rey, son los verdaderos autores de los rollos de Qumrán, los mismos que pertenecieron al Templo y se trasladaron al Mar Muerto con la intención de protegerlos. Rachel Elior también afirma que los Esenios fueron introducidos por el historiador Flavio Josefo, mientras que no existe mención alguna de los Esenios en los manuscritos del Mar Muerto; a la vez que no se encuentra testimonio histórico de los Esenios en fuentes hebreas o arameas. Considera atípico que personas que hubiesen coexistido en vida comunitaria de forma parca y frugal –contrario a la ley de la Tora– no aparezcan mencionados en fuentes hebreas o griegas.13

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Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

Originalmente enviado por Leal
Es lógico que a un ignorante que insiste en mantenerse en la ignorancia, le sea extraño eso. Tú has sido adoctrinado por los curas católicos, y desconoces, por ejemplo, cómo los israelitas cumplían el mandato de Lv.22:4-6
Jajaja... ¿se te acabaron los argumentos???

¿Cuando responderas la pregunta que hasta ahora es tu vergüenza,... para seguir enseñandote sobre la doctrina de bautismos?

Saludos
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

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Estudios recientes, particularmente los relacionados con la Dra. Rachel Elior de la Universidad Hebrea de Jerusalén, sugieren que los manuscritos del Mar Muerto o rollos de Qumrán, no fueron escritos por los Esenios, sino por sacerdotes expulsados del templo de Jerusalén. Para Elior, los Saduceos, una secta descendiente del sumo sacerdote Sadoc que ungió a Salomón como rey, son los verdaderos autores de los rollos de Qumrán, los mismos que pertenecieron al Templo y se trasladaron al Mar Muerto con la intención de protegerlos. Rachel Elior también afirma que los Esenios fueron introducidos por el historiador Flavio Josefo, mientras que no existe mención alguna de los Esenios en los manuscritos del Mar Muerto; a la vez que no se encuentra testimonio histórico de los Esenios en fuentes hebreas o arameas. Considera atípico que personas que hubiesen coexistido en vida comunitaria de forma parca y frugal –contrario a la ley de la Tora– no aparezcan mencionados en fuentes hebreas o griegas.13

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mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:50%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]-->Esa es la opinión de ella, una sugerencia. Los demás especialistas están de acuerdo en situar a los esenios desde el segundo siglo antes de Cristo. Además, la mención de los esenios en esta etapa del epígrafe, es secundaria, lo que importa es que entiendan que el bautismo en agua era un rito practicado en Israel desde mucho antes de Juan el bautista. El bautismo en agua de Juan, y el que practica la iglesia hoy día, es el mismo rito de purificación del judaísmo, conocido como tevilah, que le han dado otro sentido. Eso solo lo pueden negar los tozudos que le hacen culto a la ignorancia.
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

Jajaja... ¿se te acabaron los argumentos???

¿Cuando responderas la pregunta que hasta ahora es tu vergüenza,... para seguir enseñandote sobre la doctrina de bautismos?

Saludos

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mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:50%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> Dime si ya te enteraste que Juan no fue el primero en bautizar en Israel. ¿Ahora conoces el backgroud del rito del bautismo en agua?
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

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mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:50%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> Dime si ya te enteraste que Juan no fue el primero en bautizar en Israel. ¿Ahora conoces el backgroud del rito del bautismo en agua?

Yo tengo citas BIBLICAS para respaldar quien es el primero... ¿y tu?

¿Tienes citas bíblicas para enseñarme cual fue el primero que bautizó en Israel?
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

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mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:50%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> Dime si ya te enteraste que Juan no fue el primero en bautizar en Israel. ¿Ahora conoces el backgroud del rito del bautismo en agua?

Te has ido en puras tonteras, ... evidentemente, porque no tienes que aportar....

No debes tener verguenza si quieres que te enseñen... Dime lo que quieres saber sobre los bautismos y te enseño... nunca es tarde para confesar que no se sabe nada... es mejor que pases un minuto de vergüenza para confesar tu ignorancia y luego aprender, a que pases toda la vida como un perfecto ignorante... ¡anda!... ¿Que quieres saber?...

¿Deseas saber sobre el bautismo de agua;... de sangre;... del Espíritu?....
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

Te has ido en puras tonteras, ... evidentemente, porque no tienes que aportar....

No debes tener verguenza si quieres que te enseñen... Dime lo que quieres saber sobre los bautismos y te enseño... nunca es tarde para confesar que no se sabe nada... es mejor que pases un minuto de vergüenza para confesar tu ignorancia y luego aprender, a que pases toda la vida como un perfecto ignorante... ¡anda!... ¿Que quieres saber?...

¿Deseas saber sobre el bautismo de agua;... de sangre;... del Espíritu?....


¿Quieres saber si el bautismo es por zambullida o por derramamiento??

¡Fácil!

Aquí lo tienes... examínalo tu mismo:

"Porque yo DERRAMARÉ aguas sobre el secadal... y mi espíritu DERRAMARÉ sobre tu generación..." (Isaías 44:3)

"Hasta que sobre nosotros sea DERRAMADO espíritu de lo alto..." (Isaási 33:15)

"Y será que después de esto, DERRAMARÉ mi Espíritu sobre toda carne" (Joel 2:28)

"Porque habré DERRAMADO de mi Espíritu sobre la casa de Israel" (Ez. 39:29)


¿Porqué no intentas traerme algunos textos bíblicos de la zambullida????

Saludos
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

Te has ido en puras tonteras, ... evidentemente, porque no tienes que aportar....

No debes tener verguenza si quieres que te enseñen... Dime lo que quieres saber sobre los bautismos y te enseño... nunca es tarde para confesar que no se sabe nada... es mejor que pases un minuto de vergüenza para confesar tu ignorancia y luego aprender, a que pases toda la vida como un perfecto ignorante... ¡anda!... ¿Que quieres saber?...

¿Deseas saber sobre el bautismo de agua;... de sangre;... del Espíritu?....

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Todos comprenderán que no es fácil reconocer que se ha estado en ignorancia por 35 años.

Ahora pasemos a hablar del rito obsoleto, es decir, del bautismo de Juan. Lo primero que me gustaría que me enseñaras, es por qué bautizas a infantes y a niños que no tienen la capacidad de creer, y de confesar pecados, ni de arrepentirse, elementos típicos del rito de Juan.

Pero no te vayas a hablar de los agujeros negros, ni de tus aventuras evangelisticas; además te ruego que hagas un esfuerzo, y utilices la menor cantidad de palabras. A ustedes los padecen de verborrea siempre les recuerdo el ejemplo que dio el apóstol:

<sup>19</sup>pero en la iglesia prefiero hablar cinco palabras con mi entendimiento, para enseñar también a otros, que diez mil palabras en lengua desconocida. 1Cor.14

Adelante, que pase la curia.
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

¿Quieres saber si el bautismo es por zambullida o por derramamiento??

¡Fácil!

Aquí lo tienes... examínalo tu mismo:

"Porque yo DERRAMARÉ aguas sobre el secadal... y mi espíritu DERRAMARÉ sobre tu generación..." (Isaías 44:3)

"Hasta que sobre nosotros sea DERRAMADO espíritu de lo alto..." (Isaási 33:15)

"Y será que después de esto, DERRAMARÉ mi Espíritu sobre toda carne" (Joel 2:28)

"Porque habré DERRAMADO de mi Espíritu sobre la casa de Israel" (Ez. 39:29)


¿Porqué no intentas traerme algunos textos bíblicos de la zambullida????

Saludos

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Priority="67" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium Grid 1 Accent 6"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="68" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium Grid 2 Accent 6"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="69" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium Grid 3 Accent 6"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="70" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Dark List Accent 6"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="71" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Colorful Shading Accent 6"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="72" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Colorful List Accent 6"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="73" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Colorful Grid Accent 6"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="19" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" QFormat="true" Name="Subtle Emphasis"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="21" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" QFormat="true" Name="Intense Emphasis"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="31" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" QFormat="true" Name="Subtle Reference"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="32" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" QFormat="true" Name="Intense Reference"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="33" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" QFormat="true" Name="Book Title"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="37" Name="Bibliography"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="39" QFormat="true" Name="TOC Heading"/> </w:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-qformat:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin-top:0in; mso-para-margin-right:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:50%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> Bueno, como te conozco bien, debo decirle a los que no te conocen tanto, que sí has entendido que Juan no fue el primero en bautizar con agua en Israel, y que el bautismo que practica la iglesia es un sincretismo judeocristiano; pero como eres tan sencillo de corazón, no puedes expresarlo directamente. Todos comprenderán que no es fácil reconocer que se ha estado en ignorancia por 35 años.

Ahora pasemos a hablar del rito obsoleto, es decir, del bautismo de Juan. Lo primero que me gustaría que me enseñaras, es por qué bautizas a infantes y a niños que no tienen la capacidad de creer, y de confesar pecados, ni de arrepentirse, elementos típicos del rito de Juan.

Pero no te vayas a hablar de los agujeros negros, ni de tus aventuras evangelisticas; además te ruego que hagas un esfuerzo, y utilices la menor cantidad de palabras. A ustedes los padecen de verborrea siempre les recuerdo el ejemplo que dio el apóstol:

<sup>19</sup>pero en la iglesia prefiero hablar cinco palabras con mi entendimiento, para enseñar también a otros, que diez mil palabras en lengua desconocida. 1Cor.14

Adelante, que pase la curia.

Jajaja... ¡que salida más deshonroza!!

¿Quieres hablar del bautismo de niños...? ¡vamos a algún tema afín!...

Pero aquí, ¡¡No te escabullas!!
¡Dame las citas bíblicas de la zambullida!! ¡Eso te estoy pidiendo!

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Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

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mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:50%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> Dagoberto, te recuerdo que no estás frente a los hermanitos de la caridad, esos que duermes los domingos en la mañana con tus largas elucubraciones.

Déjate de interpretaciones caprichosas, esos pasajes no tienen nada que ver con el rito del bautismo en agua. Despierta, estás en el foro de iglesia.net

¡¡Has tu lo mismo!

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Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

¡¡Has tu lo mismo!

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Accent 5"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="73" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Colorful Grid Accent 5"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="60" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Light Shading Accent 6"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="61" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Light List Accent 6"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="62" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Light Grid Accent 6"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="63" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium Shading 1 Accent 6"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="64" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium Shading 2 Accent 6"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="65" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium List 1 Accent 6"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="66" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium List 2 Accent 6"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="67" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium Grid 1 Accent 6"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="68" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium Grid 2 Accent 6"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="69" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium Grid 3 Accent 6"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="70" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Dark List Accent 6"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="71" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Colorful Shading Accent 6"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="72" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Colorful List Accent 6"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="73" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Colorful Grid Accent 6"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="19" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" QFormat="true" Name="Subtle Emphasis"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="21" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" QFormat="true" Name="Intense Emphasis"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="31" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" QFormat="true" Name="Subtle Reference"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="32" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" QFormat="true" Name="Intense Reference"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="33" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" QFormat="true" Name="Book Title"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="37" Name="Bibliography"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="39" QFormat="true" Name="TOC Heading"/> </w:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-qformat:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin-top:0in; mso-para-margin-right:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:50%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> Dagoberto, explícame por qué practicas el bautismo de infantes, que no pueden creer, ni confesar pecados, ni arrepentirse; elementos del rito de Juan.

Solo estás dando clara evidencia de tu incapacidad para dar respuestas.... Deberías avergonzarte... eso es peor que declarar valientemente tu ignorancia y aceptar el ser enseñado sobre los bautismos...

¿Quieres hablar del bautismo de infantes?... no hay problema... ¡Saca un tema!....

Pero aquí ¡RESPÓNDEme! .. si no quieres quedar tan deshonrado...
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

Solo estás dando clara evidencia de tu incapacidad para dar respuestas.... Deberías avergonzarte... eso es peor que declarar valientemente tu ignorancia y aceptar el ser enseñado sobre los bautismos...

¿Quieres hablar del bautismo de infantes?... no hay problema... ¡Saca un tema!....

Pero aquí ¡RESPÓNDEme! .. si no quieres quedar tan deshonrado...

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mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:50%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> Dagoberto, te ofreciste a enseñarme sobre el rito del bautismo en agua. Explícame por qué practicas el bautismo de infantes, que no pueden creer, ni confesar pecados, ni arrepentirse; elementos del rito de Juan.

[FONT=&quot]¿Qué pasa, te da vergüenza que sepan que practicas el bautismo de infantes?[/FONT]
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

Jajaja... ¡que salida más deshonroza!!

¿Quieres hablar del bautismo de niños...? ¡vamos a algún tema afín!...

Pero aquí, ¡¡No te escabullas!!
¡Dame las citas bíblicas de la zambullida!! ¡Eso te estoy pidiendo!

¿Seguirás pasando verguenza?

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mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:50%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> Hombre eres tú el que viene haciendo el ridículo, y haciendo culto a la ignorancia, pues cualquiera que no esté tan despistado sabe cuál es el significado del verbo bautizar. Ya te lo he presentado en varias ocasiones, lamento que no puedas leer ingles para que te cerciores en los léxicos.

Recuerda, si no conoces el valor de las palabras, eres como extranjero para el que habla, en este caso eres extranjero a lo que está escrito.



<sup>5</sup>Y salía a él Jerusalén, y toda Judea, y toda la provincia de alrededor del Jordán,<sup> 6</sup>y eran bautizados por él en el Jordán, confesando sus pecados. Mt.3

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[FONT=&quot]A.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] The meaning of [/FONT][FONT=&quot]βάπτω[/FONT][FONT=&quot] and [/FONT][FONT=&quot]βαπτίζω[/FONT].

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[FONT=&quot]βάπτω[/FONT][FONT=&quot], “to dip in or under” (trans.): Hom. Od., 9, 392; Aesch. Prom., 863: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]ν σφαγα[/FONT][FONT=&quot]σι βάψασα ξίφος[/FONT][FONT=&quot]; “to dye,” used in Josephus only in this sense, Bell., 4, 563; Ant., 3, 102; [/FONT][FONT=&quot]βάμμα[/FONT][FONT=&quot], “dyed material,” Ant., 3, 129; P. Par., 52, 10; 53, 5 (163/2 b.c.): [/FONT][FONT=&quot]βαπτά[/FONT][FONT=&quot], “dyed or coloured clothes.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The intens. [[/FONT][FONT=&quot]βαπτίζω[/FONT][FONT=&quot] occurs in the sense of “to immerse” (trans.) from the time of Hippocrates, in Plato and esp. in later writers, a. strictly, act. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]βαπτίζειν τ[/FONT][FONT=&quot] σκάφος[/FONT][FONT=&quot], “to sink the ship,” Jos. Bell., 3, 368, [/FONT][FONT=&quot] κλύδων (τ[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ς να[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ς) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]βάπτιζεν[/FONT][FONT=&quot], Bell., 3, 423; pass. “to sink”: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]ν [/FONT][FONT=&quot]λ[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in the mud), Plot. Enn., I, 8, 13 (I, p. 112, 6, Volkmann; → 532), “to suffer shipwreck,” “to drown,”<sup><sup>[FONT=&quot][1][/FONT]</sup></sup>[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]907[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]βαπτίζω[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [baptizo /bap·tid·zo/] verb. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]From a derivative of 911; TDNT 1:529; TDNTA 92; GK 966; 80 occurrences; AV translates as “baptize” 76 times, “wash” twice, “baptist” once, and “baptized + 2258” once. 1 to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk). 2 to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one’s self, bathe. 3 to overwhelm.<sup><sup>[FONT=&quot][2][/FONT]</sup></sup>[/FONT]


<hr align="left" size="1" width="33%"> trans. transitive.

Hom. Homer, of Chios (?), the classical Greek epic poet, around whose name were grouped the older epics of the Ionians in the 9th and 8th centuries b.c., ed. G. Monro and T. W. Allen, 1908 ff.

Od. Odyssey.

Aesch. Aeschylus, of Eleusis near Athens (525–456 b.c.), the first of the three great Attic dramatists, ed. U. v. Wilamowitz, 1915; Fragments, ed. A. Nauck in Tragicorum Graecorum Fragmenta, 1889.


P. Par. Notices et Extraits des Manuscrits Grecs de ta Bibliothèque Impériale, XVIII, 2 (1865), ed. by W. Brunet de Presle.


Bell. Bellum Judaicum.

pass. passive.

Plot. Plotinus, of Lycopolis in Egypt (204–270 a.d.), the last great thinker of antiquity who brought Neo-Platonism to systematic completion, ed. R. Volkmann, 1883 ff.

Enn. Enneads.

<sup><sup>[FONT=&quot][1][/FONT]</sup></sup> Theological dictionary of the New Testament. 1964- (G. Kittel, G. W. Bromiley & G. Friedrich, Ed.) (electronic ed.). Vol. 1 (529–530). Eerdmans: Grand Rapids, MI

TDNT Theological Dictionary of the New Testament

TDNTA Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, Abridged in One Volume

GK Goodrick-Kohlenberger

AV Authorized Version

<sup><sup>[FONT=&quot][2][/FONT]</sup></sup> Strong, J. 1996. The exhaustive concordance of the Bible : Showing every word of the text of the common English version of the canonical books, and every occurrence of each word in regular order. (electronic ed.). Woodside Bible Fellowship.: Ontario