Poque piden tanto dinero ls Pastores???????????

Re: Poque piden tanto dinero ls Pastores???????????

ves strauss?

ya casi casi que te sinceras.

Ya casi??????? ... no niño, yo nunca he dejado de ser sincero. La hipocresía no es mi cara.
solo falta que dejes esa tactica de t.j, de ponerte a la defensiva como "tigra recien parida".
Nunca dejaré al táctica de decir la verdad... sin exageraciones, sin generalizaciones y sin prejuicios.
 
Re: Poque piden tanto dinero ls Pastores???????????

A ver hermano, hay muchos tipos de malos católicos pero creo que el peor es el cínico, simplemente porque si bien ha reconocido que es omiso en su formación cristiana, esto no lo interpela a cambiar sino que por el contrario navega con bandera de Panda con conejo. y Yo sinceramente creo que tu no eres de esos ¿verdad?.

Entonces te invito a que te formes, a que estudies, Te recomiendo que por principio te compres 3 libros básicos para el diálogo con los protestantes, o si tienes internet en tu casa pues que los bajes a tu computadora. El Primero es la Biblia de Jerusalén, el segundo es el catecismo de la Iglesia Católca, y el tercero si lo vas a tener que comprar pero no cuesta más de 100 pesos, es el "Dialogo con los Protestantes" del Padre Flaviano Amatuli Valente.

Con esas tres herramientas los protestantes te hacen los mandados. Para apologética un poco más elevada, para un diálogo con los Ortodoxos se necesita además bastante de Historia de la Iglesia y Patrística, pero en este foro solo hay uno o dos ortodoxos. Y con ellos las diferencias no son tan gordas.

Si necesitas ayudano dudes en dejar mensajes en mi cuenta, dale click a mi nombre y te ayudaré a resolver tus preguntas.


En ningún momento quise ser cínico. Es la verdad de muchos católicos, si no fuera así no hubiera tantos católicos cometiendo apóstasia(cambiandose de religìon). Mi Formacìon cristiana aunque leo poco la biblia no soy ingorante de las escrituras. Ni panda ni conejo! soy 100% Católico, No te preocupes porque de vez en cuando veo programas evangelicos, eso no afecta mi conviccion Catòlica.
 
Re: Poque piden tanto dinero ls Pastores???????????

Nunca dejaré al táctica de decir la verdad... sin exageraciones, sin generalizaciones y sin prejuicios.

Perfecto.

asi las cosas, entoces dejaré que juegues un rato con tu sombra al paranoico y preferido juego de los t.j: "me estan persiguiendo".
 
Re: Poque piden tanto dinero ls Pastores???????????

Perfecto.

asi las cosas, entoces dejaré que juegues un rato con tu sombra al paranoico y preferido juego de los t.j: "me estan persiguiendo".

Que pasó???..............ya te quedaste de nuevo sin argumentos???

Ahora, por otro, lado, eres tú quién anda detrás de mi.... repondiendo cualquier tontería con tal de hacerte presente.
 
Re: Poque piden tanto dinero ls Pastores???????????

Que pasó???..............ya te quedaste de nuevo sin argumentos???

Ahora, por otro, lado, eres tú quién anda detrás de mi.... repondiendo cualquier tontería con tal de hacerte presente.

hummmm...

paranoia?

me persiguen...andan detras de mi...

a quien habre leido eso... ah...ya se...

tengo una laaarrrga lista, strauss.
 
Re: Poque piden tanto dinero ls Pastores???????????

veo que eres un buen manipulador de informacion, vino tinto.

encontrarias trabajo rapido aqui en venezuela, en la agencia del gobierno.

te falto resaltar en rojo, lo siguiente:



perdon...tuve que resaltarlo todo en rojo, ya que al parecer, tu mismo no lees lo que copias y pasteas.

saca la calculadora, vino.

Ah que conveniente, y cuando Strauss le dice que no todos los casos que Ud. trae fueron probados ahi si no le conviene
Si es por resaltar en rojo tome...... claro que lo que resalte yo en rojo Ud. lo obviara:

A propósito de estadísticas

By Mark Clayton, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor / April 5, 2002

Despite headlines focusing on the priest pedophile problem in the Roman Catholic Church, most American churches being hit with child sexual-abuse allegations are Protestant, and most of the alleged abusers are not clergy or staff, but church volunteers.

These are findings from national surveys by Christian Ministry Resources (CMR), a tax and legal-advice publisher serving more than 75,000 congregations and 1,000 denominational agencies nationwide.

CMR's annual surveys of about 1,000 churches nationwide have asked about sexual abuse since 1993. They're a remarkable window on a problem that lurked largely in the shadows of public awareness until the Catholic scandals arose.

The surveys suggest that over the past decade, the pace of child-abuse allegations against American churches has averaged 70 a week. The surveys registered a slight downward trend in reported abuse starting in 1997, possibly a result of the introduction of preventive measures by churches.

"I think the CMR numbers are striking, yet quite reasonable," says Anson Shupe, anIndiana University professor who's written books about church abuse. "To me it says Protestants are less reluctant to come forward because they don't put their clergy on as high a pedestal as Catholics do with their priests."
At least 70 incidents a week

Dr. Shupe suggests the 70 allegations-per-week figure actually could be higher, because underreporting is common. He discovered this in 1998 while going door to door in Dallas-Ft. Worth communities where he asked 1,607 families if they'd experienced abuse from those within their church. Nearly 4 percent said they had been victims of sexual abuse by clergy. Child sexual abuse was part of that, but not broken out, he says.

James Cobble, executive director of CMR, who oversees the survey, says the data show that child sex-abuse happens broadly across all denominations– and that clergy aren't the major offenders.

"The Catholics have gotten all the attention from the media, but this problem is even greater with the Protestant churches simply because of their far larger numbers," he says.

Of the 350,000 churches in the US, 19,500 – 5 percent – are Roman Catholic. Catholic churches represent a slightly smaller minority of churches in the CMR surveys which aren't scientifically random, but "representative" demographic samples of churches, Dr. Cobble explains.

Since 1993, on average about 1 percent of the surveyed churches reported abuse allegations annually. That means on average, about 3,500 allegations annually, or nearly 70 per among the predominantly Protestant group, Cobble says.

The CMR findings also reveal:

• Most church child-sexual-abuse cases involve a single victim.

• Law suits or out-of-court settlements were a result in 21 percent of the allegations reported in the 2000 survey.

• Volunteers are more likely than clergy or paid staff to be abusers. Perhaps more startling, children at churches are accused of sexual abuse as often as are clergy and staff. In 1999, for example, 42 percent of alleged child abusers were volunteers – about 25 percent were paid staff members (including clergy) and 25 percent were other children.

Still, it is the reduction of reported allegations over nine years that seems to indicate that some churches are learning how to slow abuse allegations with tough new prevention measures, say insurance company officials and church officials themselves.

The peak year for allegations was 1994, with 3 percent of churches reporting an allegation of sexual misconduct compared with just 0.1 percent in 2000. But 2001 data, indicates a swing back to the 1 percent level, still significantly less than the 1993 figures, Cobble says.

Child sexual-abuse insurance claims have slowed, too, industry sources say.

Hugh White, vice president of marketing for Brotherhood Mutual Insurance, in Ft. Wayne, Ind., suggests that the amount of abuse reported in the CMR 2001 data is reasonable though "at the higher end" of the scale.

Mr. White's company insures 30,000 churches – about 0.2 percent to 0.3 percent of which annually report an "incident" of child sexual abuse. But he says that his churches are more highly educated on child abuse prevention procedures than most, which may account for a lower rate of reported abuse than the CMR surveys.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0405/p...l/(page)/2

Ja, Y yo soy el que manipula.....

siga viendo la astilla en el catolicismo.

Y veo que paso por alto el otro artículo
 
Re: Poque piden tanto dinero ls Pastores???????????

but this problem is even greater with the Protestant churches simply because of their far larger numbers,"

elemental, mi querido tinto, hablamos de ee.uu.

luego:
Of the 350,000 churches in the US, 19,500 – 5 percent – are Roman Catholic.

si echas numeros, veras que el porcentaje de abusos de ese 5% es mucho mayor que el de los protestantes, hablando cualitativamente.
Pero ese "homework" te lo dejo para el fin de semana.

lo demas no vale ni la pena comentar, estimado tinto.

next try, please.
 
Re: Poque piden tanto dinero ls Pastores???????????

No esperaba menos de tí Spurgeon............ pues infórmate:



N. G. - Madrid - 17/06/2010

A menos de dos semanas de que acabe el plazo para la declaración de la renta 2009, la Iglesia católica echa el resto para convencer a los contribuyentes para que marquen la X en su casilla y que ese 0,7% de la cuota del IRPF vaya a las arcas eclesiásticas. La memoria económica presentada ayer por la Conferencia Episcopal, la de 2008, incluye un curioso cálculo. Cuánto costarían, a precio de mercado, los servicios que prestan a la sociedad. Pues 1.860 millones de euros más de lo que suponen ahora. Es decir, cada euro invertido en la Iglesia revierte a la sociedad multiplicado por 2,73, aseguró el responsable de asuntos económicos de la Conferencia Episcopal, Fernando Giménez Barriocanal. "Y eso valorado a la baja", recalcó antes de precisar que un obispo cobra unos mil euros. Por ejemplo, la Iglesia católica considera que la enseñanza concertada en centros católicos supone al Estado un ahorro de 4.148 millones de euros. Explicó también que Cáritas atendió -dio de comer e incluso vistió- a 2,8 millones de personas en 2008 y que no es descabellado pensar que la crisis económica haya duplicado ese flujo de personas necesitadas de lo más básico.
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Y en vista de que uno de cada tres monumentos culturales españoles pertenece a la Iglesia católica -que, por cierto, gasta 50 millones anuales en mantenerlos-, el gerente considera que "no es pretencioso decir" que un tercio de los ingresos derivados del turismo cultural llegan gracias a ella.

La crisis, que ha abaratado la publicidad, y el fin de los anuncios en RTVE han logrado que los tres millones de euros invertidos en esta campaña de la Iglesia Xtantos -lo mismo que otros años- hayan cundido más. Hace justo un año, el 34,3% de los contribuyentes marcó la casilla católica, lo que equivale a una aportación de 252 millones de euros. Giménez Barriocanal consideraría un éxito mantener ese porcentaje este año.


En otras agencias de noticias son más claros aún




MADRID, 17 Jun. 10 / 01:32 pm (ACI/Europa Press)

El vicesecretario de Asuntos Económicos de la Conferencia Episcopal Española (CEE), Fernando Giménez Barriocanal, ha asegurado este jueves que el Estado ahorra miles de millones de euros y, pese a que no quiso ofrecer una cifra concreta, ha añadido que la previsión de 30 mil millones de euros "no estaba alejada de la realidad".

Durante la presentación de la Memoria Justificativa de Actividades correspondiente al ejercicio 2008, Barriocanal ha defendido la labor de la Iglesia en el ámbito litúrgico, pastoral y asistencial. Sobre este último aspecto, ha reconocido que la Iglesia es "la mayor realidad asistencial que existe en España".


Así que ya sabes......... marca la casilla!!

Claro, información proporcionada por los mismos católicos, yo lo guiso, yo me lo como heheeheheh!!!1

nos tienen desde pequeños instruidos para lo que devuelva hacienda se le pase a la iglesia, mira mucgacho, hay que vivir en un país para saber se qué se habla.

Que aquí todos criticamos que la ICAR haya durante tanto tiempo puesto esa casilla en el formulario de los impuestos que ya quisiera cualquiera recibir eso en diezmos.

Los católicos aquí como el obispo Rouco varela y la COPE, no hacen más que politiquerar, en vez de predicar.

El estado tiene que subvencionarla como en todos lo países católicos, no me venga con daticos, que eso se sabe.
 
Re: Poque piden tanto dinero ls Pastores???????????

Tengamos estadísticas, estas no están manipuladas como usted hace que de 30% salta a un 1% como si nada.

Y en un estudio que me dió usted de 40 años tocaba su iglesia de a un pedrásta por año.




The Nature and Scope of the Problem of Sexual Abuse of Minors
by Catholic Priests and Deacons in the United States
A Research Study Conducted by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice



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In June 2002 the full body of Catholic bishops of the United States in their General Meeting in Dallas approved the Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People. The Charter created a National Review Board, which was assigned responsibility to commission a descriptive study, with the full cooperation of the dioceses/eparchies, of the nature and scope of the problem of sexual abuse of minors by clergy. The National Review Board engaged the John Jay College of Criminal Justice of the City University of New York to conduct research, summarize the collected data and issue a summary report to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops of its findings. This report by the John Jay College is authorized for publication by the undersigned.
--- Msgr. William P. Fay, General Secretary




EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

The study of sexual abuse of minors by Catholic priests and deacons resulting in this report was authorized and paid for by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) pursuant to the Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People (Charter) unanimously adopted by the USCCB at its June 2002 meeting. The Charter called for many responses to this victimization of minors within the Catholic Church. Article 9 of the Charter provided for the creation of a lay body, the National Review Board, which was mandated (among other things) to commission a descriptive study of the nature and scope of the problem of child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church.
Accordingly, the Board approached John Jay College of Criminal Justice to conduct such a study. The College assembled an experienced team of researchers with expertise in the areas of forensic psychology, criminology, and human behavior, and, working with the Board, formulated a methodology to address the study mandate. Data collection commenced in March 2003, and ended in February 2004. The information contained in this report is based upon surveys provided by 195 dioceses, representing 98% all diocesan priests in the United States, and 140 religious communities, representing approximately 60% of religious communities and 80% of all religious priests.
The mandate for the study was to:

1. Examine the number and nature of allegations of sexual abuse of minors under the age of 18 by Catholic priests between 1950 and 2002.
2. Collect information about the alleged abusers, including official status in the church, age, number of victims, responses by the church and legal authorities to the allegations of abuse, and other characteristics of the alleged abusers.
3. Collect information about the characteristics of the alleged victims, the nature of their relationship to the alleged abusers, the nature of the abuse, and the time frame within which the allegations are reported.
4. Accumulate information about the financial impact of the abuse on the Church.
Three surveys provide the data for this study:

1. A profile of each diocese, providing information about characteristics of the diocese including region and size, the total numbers of allegations, and the total expenditures occasioned by allegations of abuse.
2. A survey of church records relating to individual priests against whom allegations of abuse had been made.
3. A survey of church records relating to the alleged victims of abuse and the nature of the alleged abuse.
Based upon the inquiries and communications that we received from the dioceses, eparchies and religious communities, it is our impression that, despite the complexity of the surveys and the difficulties of identifying relevant church records, these data reflect a conscientious and good-faith effort to provide exhaustive and reliable information regarding allegations of abuse made to church authorities.
Due to the sensitive nature of the abuse allegations, which form the core of this report, many steps were taken to assure the anonymity of alleged victims and priests who were the subjects of the study. The study used a double-blind procedure in which all reports were first sent to Ernst & Young, an accounting firm, where they were stripped of information that could be used to identify the area from which they were sent. Ernst & Young then sent the unopened envelopes containing survey responses to the John Jay researchers. The data set is thus stripped of all identifying information that may be linked to an individual diocese, eparchy or religious community, priest or victim.
OVERVIEW OF PREVALENCE AND REPORTING
PREVALENCE
• Priest surveys asked for birth dates and initials of the accused priests in order to determine if a single priest had allegations in multiple dioceses, eparchies or religious communities. To maintain anonymity, this information was encrypted into a unique identifying number, and birthdays and initials were then discarded. We detected 310 matching encrypted numbers, accounting for 143 priests with allegations in more than one diocese, eparchy or religious community (3.3% of the total number of priests with allegations/estos los que fueron acusados en más de una diocesis). When we removed the replicated files of priests who have allegations in more than one place, we received allegations of sexual abuse against a total of 4,392 priests that were not withdrawn or known to be false for the period 1950-2002.(estos últimos no fueron retirados del servicio)
• The total number of priests with allegations of abuse in our survey is 4,392. The percentage of all priests with allegations of sexual abuse is difficult to derive because there is no definitive number of priests who were active between the years of 1950 and 2002. We used two sets of numbers to estimate the total number of active priests and then calculated the percentage against whom allegations were made.
o We asked each diocese, eparchy and community for their total number of active priests in this time period. Adding up all their responses, there were 109,694 priests reported by dioceses, eparchies and religious communities to have served in their ecclesiastical ministry from 1950-2002. Using this number, 4.0% of all priests active between 1950 and 2002 had allegations of abuse.(esos son 4, 387 curas acusados de abusos sexuales desde 1950 a 2002, ¿no le parece a usted demasiado?
o The Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA) reports a total of 94,607 priests for the period 1960-2002. When we look at the time period covered by the CARA database, the number of priests with allegations of sexual abuse is 4,127(¡¡Casi na!!). Thus, the percentage of priests accused for this time period is 4.3% if we rely on the CARA figures assessing the total number of priests.
o If we examine the differences between diocesan and religious priests, then our numbers result in a total of 4.3% of diocesan priests with allegations of abuse and 2.5% of religious priests with allegations of abuse. The CARA numbers yield a total of 5% of diocesan priests from 1960-1996 with allegations of abuse and 2.7% of religious priests from 1960-1996 with allegations of abuse.(¡Cuánto abusador anda por ahí suelto!!)
• Our analyses revealed little variability in the rates of alleged abuse across regions of the Catholic Church in the U.S. -- the range was from 3% to 6% of priests.
A total of 10,667 individuals made allegations of child sexual abuse by priests. Of those who alleged abuse, the file contained information that 17.2% of them had siblings who were also allegedly abused.(Madre mía, ni los hermanos se salvan!!)
• It is impossible to determine from our surveys what percent of all actual cases of abuse that occurred between 1950 and 2002 have been reported to the Church and are therefore in our dataset. Allegations of child sexual abuse are made gradually over an extended time period and it is likely that further allegations will be made with respect to recent time periods covered in our surveys. Less than 13% of allegations were made in the year in which the abuse allegedly began, and more than 25% of the allegations were made more than 30 years after the alleged abuse began.
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DISTRIBUTION OF CASES BY YEAR

• The distribution of reported cases by the year the abuse is alleged to have occurred or begun shows a peak in the year 1970. However, considering the duration of some repeated abusive acts, more abuse occurred in the 1970s than any other decade, peaking in 1980. But, these conclusions have to be qualified because additional allegations for those time periods may surface in the future.
• Alleged abuse sometimes extended over many years. In 38.4% of allegations, the abuse is alleged to have occurred within a single year, in 21.8% the alleged abuse lasted more than a year but less than 2 years, in 28% between 2 and 4 years, in 10.2% between 5 and 9 years and, in under 1%, 10 or more years.
• Approximately one-third of all allegations were reported in 2002-2003, and two-thirds have been made since 1993. Thus, prior to 1993, only one-third of cases were known to Church officials. The allegations made in 1993 and 2002-2003 include offenses that allegedly occurred within the full time period from 1950-1993 and 1950-2002. The distribution of allegations made in 2002-2003 resembles the distribution of offenses alleged at all other time periods -- with the exception that allegations of abuse in recent years are a smaller share of all allegations.(Eso que este análisis sólo abarca hasta 2002, o sea, que los últimos escándalos desde ese año para aca, no están registrados, buenos abusadores y apoyando eso!!!)

COSTS OF ALLEGATIONS
• The amount of money already paid by the Church, as a result of allegations, to victims, for the treatment of priests and for legal expenses reported in our surveys was $472,000,000. That figure is not the total paid by the Church to date -- 14% of dioceses and religious communities did not report dollar figures. In addition, survey responses were filed over a 10-month period and would not include settlements and expenses incurred after surveys were submitted. In addition, no diocese reported the recent and highly publicized $85,000,000 settlement. If we include the $85,000,000 reported settlement, the total cost paid by the church exceeds $500,000,000.(este pecado va a arruinar la ICAR, ¡Párenlo!!!)

PRIESTS AND ACCUSERS
PROFILE OF PRIESTS WITH ALLEGATIONS

• The majority of priests with allegations of abuse were ordained between 1950 and 1979 (68%). Priests ordained prior to 1950 accounted for 21.3% of the allegations, and priests ordained after 1979 accounted for 10.7% of allegations.

• Over 79% of these priests were between 25 and 29 years of age when ordained. For priests whose age at the time of the first alleged abuse was reported, the largest group -- over 40% was between 30 and 39. An additional 20% were under age 30, nearly 23% were between 40 and 49, and nearly 17% were over 50.

• At the time abuse is alleged to have occurred, 42.3% of priests were associate pastors, 25.1% were pastors, 10.4% were resident priests and 7.2% were teachers. Other categories (e.g., chaplain, deacon, and seminary administrator) were under 3% each.
• The majority of priests (56%) were alleged to have abused one victim, nearly 27% were alleged to have abused two or three victims, nearly 14% were alleged to have abused four to nine victims and 3.4% were alleged to have abused more than ten victims. The 149 priests (3.5%) who had more than ten allegations of abuse were allegedly responsible for abusing 2,960 victims, thus accounting for 26% of allegations. Therefore, a very small percentage of accused priests are responsible for a substantial percentage of the allegations.
• Though priests' personnel files contain limited information on their own childhood victimization and their substance and/or alcohol abuse problems, the surveys report that nearly 7% of priests had been physically, sexually and/or emotionally abused as children. The surveys also indicate that nearly 17% had alcohol or substance abuse problems. There are indications that some sort of intervention was undertaken by church authorities in over 80% of the cases involving substance abuse.

• The surveys indicate that 32% of priests who were subject to allegations of sexual abuse were also recognized as having other behavioral or psychological problems.

OFFENSE CHARACTERISTICS

The largest group of alleged victims (50.9%) was between the ages of 11 and 14, 27.3% were 15-17, 16% were 8-10 and nearly 6% were under age 7(¡abusones!!). Overall, 81% of victims were male and 19% female(encima super "Gayersssss!!!). Male victims tended to be older than female victims. Over 40% of all victims were males between the ages of 11 and 14.(¡¡Abusones!!!!)

• Of the total number accused, 37% of priests with allegations of sexual abuse participated in treatment programs; the most common treatment programs were sex-offender specific treatment programs specifically for clergy and one-on-one psychological counseling. The more allegations a priest had, the more likely he was to participate in treatment. However, the severity of the alleged offense did not have an effect on whether or not a priest participated in a treatment program. Those who allegedly committed acts of penetration or oral sex were no more likely to participate in treatment than priests accused of less severe offenses.(¡¡Madre Mía!!!)

Priests allegedly committed acts which were classified into more than 20 categories. The most frequent acts allegedly committed were: touching over the victim’s clothing (52.6%), touching under the victim's clothes (44.9%), cleric performing oral sex (26%), victim disrobed (25.7%), and penile penetration or attempted penile penetration (22.4%).(¡Qué Asco de tíos!!!) Many of the abusers were alleged to have committed multiple types of abuse against individual victims, and relatively few priests committed only the most minor acts. Of the 90% of the reported incidents for which we had specific offense details, 141 incidents, or one and one half percent, were reported that included only verbal abuse and/or the use of pornography.

The alleged abuse occurred in a variety of locations. The abuse is alleged to have occurred in the following locations: in the priest’s home or the parish residence (40.9%), in the church (16.3%), in the victim’s home (12.4%), in a vacation house (10.3%), in school (10.3%), and in a car (9.8%). The abuse allegedly occurred in other sites, such as church outings or in a hotel room, in less than 10% of the allegations. The most common event or setting in which the abuse occurred was during a social event (20.4%), while visiting or working at the priest’s home (14.7%), and during travel (17.8%). Abuse allegedly occurred in other settings, such as during counseling, school hours, and sporting events, in less than 10% of the allegations.(No se respeta ni lugar ni hora para perpetrar sus aberraciones)

• In the 51% of cases where information was provided, half of the victims who made allegations of sexual abuse (2,638, or 25.7% of all alleged victims) socialized with the priest outside of church. Of those who did socialize with the priests who allegedly abused them, the majority had interactions in the family’s home. Other places of socialization included in the church, in the residence of the priest, and in various church activities.

REPORTING AND ACTIONS TAKEN

To date, the police have been contacted about 1,021 priests with allegations of abuse, or 24% of our total. Nearly all of these reports have led to investigations, and 384 instances have led to criminal charges. Of those priests for whom information about dispositions is available, 252 were convicted and at least 100 of those served time in prison. Thus, 6% of all priests against whom allegations were made were convicted and about 2% received prison sentences to date.(¡¡Eso, cárcel para esos depravados!!)

• Half of the allegations that were made (49.9%) were reported by the victim. In one-fifth of the cases (20.3%), the allegation of sexual abuse was made by the alleged victim’s attorney. The third most common way in which the abuse was reported was by the parent or guardian of the victim (13.6%). Allegations made by other individuals, such as by a police officer, a sibling, or another priest, occurred in 3% of cases or less. These allegations were most commonly made by calling the diocese (30.2%), in a signed letter to the diocese (22.8%), or in a legal filing (10.5%). All other methods by which the allegations were made, such as in person, by telling a trusted priest, or through the media, occurred in less than 10% of cases. Cases reported in 2002 had a similar distribution of types of reporting as in previous years.

The full report contains more detailed and additional analyses related to the information provided above. This report is descriptive in nature. Future reports will examine the relationships among the variables described here in more detail and will be multivariate and analytic in nature.

¡¡Vaya a otro con el cuento de salpicar a otros, si hubieran más personas de otras religiones eso se notara más, pero el fantasma de la pederástia y la homosexualidad los persigue donde quiera que vayan!!

¡¡¡¡¡¡Abusadores, depravados!

¡¡Más cárcel es lo que falta!!

Mucho degenerado suelto por ahí y luego vienen a crear su verdad relativista a ver si quedan como santos varones al lado de otros, pués no, la verdad existe y el relativismo es una aberración postmoderna,y con eso os engañan a vosotros para manteneros en esa Iglesia.
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Re: Poque piden tanto dinero ls Pastores???????????

veo que eres un buen manipulador de informacion, vino tinto.

encontrarias trabajo rapido aqui en venezuela, en la agencia del gobierno.

te falto resaltar en rojo, lo siguiente:



perdon...tuve que resaltarlo todo en rojo, ya que al parecer, tu mismo no lees lo que copias y pasteas.

saca la calculadora, vino.

elemental, mi querido tinto, hablamos de ee.uu.

luego:


si echas numeros, veras que el porcentaje de abusos de ese 5% es mucho mayor que el de los protestantes, hablando cualitativamente.
Pero ese "homework" te lo dejo para el fin de semana.

lo demas no vale ni la pena comentar, estimado tinto.

next try, please.

ah ahora el asunto es por la cualidad de los crímenes?

En el caso del catolicismo , que no es para enorgullecerse, cuando sale a relucir un sacerdote por lo general es acusado de multiples casos y en un período bastante largo de años hasta que es descubierto.

En el caso de los protestantes, una cifra conservadora va de 70 por semana , y eso solo en los Estados Unidos. 25% de esas 70 denuncias semanales son miembros pagos de las congregaciones incluyendo sus pastores.

Eso es lo que hay en el protestantismo señor. ... ja! y eso sin ser celibes...

Haga su tarea, y luego vamos con el otro articulo que le traje para que intente maquillar sus cifras , que no nuestras.

Y al final terminamos en como los pastores desatienden a sus mujeres.
 
Re: Poque piden tanto dinero ls Pastores???????????

Claro, información proporcionada por los mismos católicos, yo lo guiso, yo me lo como heheeheheh!!!

nos tienen desde pequeños instruidos para lo que devuelva hacienda se le pase a la iglesia, mira mucgacho, hay que vivir en un país para saber se qué se habla.

Que aquí todos criticamos que la ICAR haya durante tanto tiempo puesto esa casilla en el formulario de los impuestos que ya quisiera cualquiera recibir eso en diezmos.

Los católicos aquí como el obispo Rouco varela y la COPE, no hacen más que politiquerar, en vez de predicar.

El estado tiene que subvencionarla como en todos lo países católicos, no me venga con daticos, que eso se sabe.


Sufre!!!!........ jejeje
 
Re: Poque piden tanto dinero ls Pastores???????????

The largest company, Church Mutual, reported an average of about 100 sex abuse cases a year involving minors over the past decade. GuideOne, which has about half the clients of Church Mutual, said it has received an average of 160 reports of sex abuse against minors every year for the past two decades.

a ver, a ver , matemáticas

Promedio de 100 casos al año de abuso sexual a menores durante durante la última decada: 100 x 10 = 1,000 casos.... CHURCH MUTUAL

Promedio de 160 casos al año durante las ultimas dos decadas
160 x 20 = 3,200 casos. GUIDE ONE

1,000 + 1,600 = 2,600 casos SOLO EN DOS ASEGURADORAS.
http://www.insurancejournal.com/news...#ixzz10UJliOYx en los últimos 10 años.

21.67 casos AL MES......EN LA ULTIMA DECADA SOLO EN DOS ASEGURADORAS

ahí esta la SOLUCION a la incognita al título del epígrafe......

Piden tanto porque las primas de esas pólizas hay que pagarlas.....
 
Re: Poque piden tanto dinero ls Pastores???????????

ah ahora el asunto es por la cualidad de los crímenes?

bueno, gracias por demostrar que no tienes ni idea de lo que es la ciencia estadistica ni como se interpreta. estas jugando al "lorito"?

En el caso del catolicismo , que no es para enorgullecerse, cuando sale a relucir un sacerdote por lo general es acusado de multiples casos y en un período bastante largo de años hasta que es descubierto.

y cuando no sale a relucir, es porque algun "compinche"(complice), lo encubre en el famoso juego de ping-pong: "cambiese de parroquia".

En el caso de los protestantes, una cifra conservadora va de 70 por semana , y eso solo en los Estados Unidos. 25% de esas 70 denuncias semanales son miembros pagos de las congregaciones incluyendo sus pastores.

Eso es lo que hay en el protestantismo señor. ... ja! y eso sin ser celibes...


Haga su tarea, y luego vamos con el otro articulo que le traje para que intente maquillar sus cifras , que no nuestras.

ni se te ocurra traer las cifras mundiales acerca de la icar, porque ahi si que...bueno...
cuando veas una sotana, te van a dar escalofrios...


Y al final terminamos en como los pastores desatienden a sus mujeres.

ah...por fin llega el chisme...

la vida PRIVADA de una pareja es eso...privada.
generalmente quienes comentan las carencias de otras parejas, es porque proyectan las suyas propias...cuidese de eso, estimado tinto.
 
Re: Poque piden tanto dinero ls Pastores???????????

The largest company, Church Mutual, reported an average of about 100 sex abuse cases a year involving minors over the past decade. GuideOne, which has about half the clients of Church Mutual, said it has received an average of 160 reports of sex abuse against minors every year for the past two decades.

a ver, a ver , matemáticas

Promedio de 100 casos al año de abuso sexual a menores durante durante la última decada: 100 x 10 = 1,000 casos.... CHURCH MUTUAL

Promedio de 160 casos al año durante las ultimas dos decadas
160 x 20 = 3,200 casos. GUIDE ONE

1,000 + 1,600 = 2,600 casos SOLO EN DOS ASEGURADORAS.
http://www.insurancejournal.com/news...#ixzz10UJliOYx en los últimos 10 años.

21.67 casos AL MES......EN LA ULTIMA DECADA SOLO EN DOS ASEGURADORAS

ahí esta la SOLUCION a la incognita al título del epígrafe......

Piden tanto porque las primas de esas pólizas hay que pagarlas.....

uy...tinto.

ud. como que no vio esto:

El cardenal Bernard Law, acusado de haber protegido a sacerdotes pedófilos, fue obligado a dimitir del arzobispado de Boston (este), en 2002. En 2004, una investigación criminal estableció en 4.400 el número de curas pedófilos en Estados Unidos entre 1950 y 2002, y en 11.000 el de los niños que fueron sus víctimas."

1000 casos durante 10 años atribuidos a los protestantes, que son el 95%.

11.000 casos durante 50 años(2200 por decada) atribuidos a la icar, que son el 5%.

dejelo hasta ahi, vino tinto, que mientras mas nada entre esas arenas, mas se hunde.
 
Re: Poque piden tanto dinero ls Pastores???????????

Teosofo!!!

A este tipo de fulanos es al que me refiero, que creen que el probelma es exclusivo de la IC. Además de que no saben hablar ingles y cometen cada burrada.

Por ejemplo, Spurgeon se quiso hacer el gracioso con sus comentarios en español. Pero analicemos el dato con calma

When we removed the replicated files of priests who have allegations in more than one place, we received allegations of sexual abuse against a total of 4,392 priests that were not withdrawn or known to be false for the period 1950-2002.(estos últimos no fueron retirados del servicio)

Este señor, haciendo gala de ignoracnia o prejuicio, agrega una nota suya en español... pero no lo hace completo!!!

El texto traducido se leería así

Cuando retiramos los archivos duplicados de sacerdotes que tienen alegatos en más de un lugar, recibimos alegatos de abuso sexual en contra de un total de 4,392 sacerdotes, que no fueron retirados o se supo que eran falsos por el periodo de 1950-2002

En base a estas deliberantes ignorancias o prejuicios se atreve a modificar la cifra del 1% y elevarla al 30%. Este es el tipo de deshonestidad que nos molesta cuando se hablan de estos temas.


Qué opinas Teosofo???..............Comprendes ahora mi malestar ante la deshonestidad de algunos??
 
Re: Poque piden tanto dinero ls Pastores???????????

El cardenal Bernard Law, acusado de haber protegido a sacerdotes pedófilos, fue obligado a dimitir del arzobispado de Boston (este), en 2002. En 2004, una investigación criminal estableció en 4.400 el número de curas pedófilos en Estados Unidos entre 1950 y 2002, y en 11.000 el de los niños que fueron sus víctimas."

1000 casos durante 10 años atribuidos a los protestantes, que son el 95%.

11.000 casos durante 50 años(2200 por decada) atribuidos a la icar, que son el 5%.

dejelo hasta ahi, vino tinto, que mientras mas nada entre esas arenas, mas se hunde.

Ejem......... y tú porque no ves esto???

When we removed the replicated files of priests who have allegations in more than one place, we received allegations of sexual abuse against a total of 4,392 priests that were not withdrawn or known to be false for the period 1950-2002

 
Re: Poque piden tanto dinero ls Pastores???????????

Teosofo!!!

A este tipo de fulanos es al que me refiero, que creen que el probelma es exclusivo de la IC. Además de que no saben hablar ingles y cometen cada burrada.

Por ejemplo, Spurgeon se quiso hacer el gracioso con sus comentarios en español. Pero analicemos el dato con calma



Este señor, haciendo gala de ignoracnia o prejuicio, agrega una nota suya en español... pero no lo hace completo!!!

El texto traducido se leería así

Cuando retiramos los archivos duplicados de sacerdotes que tienen alegatos en más de un lugar, recibimos alegatos de abuso sexual en contra de un total de 4,392 sacerdotes, que no fueron retirados o se supo que eran falsos por el periodo de 1950-2002

En base a estas deliberantes ignorancias o prejuicios se atreve a modificar la cifra del 1% y elevarla al 30%. Este es el tipo de deshonestidad que nos molesta cuando se hablan de estos temas.


Qué opinas Teosofo???..............Comprendes ahora mi malestar ante la deshonestidad de algunos??

excelente!

pidiendo auxilio a un agnostico...jejejeje...

desesperadito, no?
 
Re: Poque piden tanto dinero ls Pastores???????????

Ejem......... y tú porque no ves esto???

When we removed the replicated files of priests who have allegations in more than one place, we received allegations of sexual abuse against a total of 4,392 priests that were not withdrawn or known to be false for the period 1950-2002


yo lo que te recomiendo,strauss, es que sepas interpretar bien lo que piensas que estas leyendo en ingles, antes de querer suponer que esa afirmacion te beneficia en algo, asi no seguiras pasando verguenza.
 
Re: Poque piden tanto dinero ls Pastores???????????

excelente!

pidiendo auxilio a un agnostico...jejejeje...

desesperadito, no?
Pidiendo auxilio???????????????.................jajajajajajaja



TEOSOFO!!!!


Cómo la ves??.... ahora sí me crees cuando te hable de los prejuiciosos que solo critican y critican desde la ignorancia???
 
Re: Poque piden tanto dinero ls Pastores???????????

yo lo que te recomiendo,strauss, es que sepas interpretar bien lo que piensas que estas leyendo en ingles, antes de querer suponer que esa afirmacion te beneficia en algo, asi no seguiras pasando verguenza.
:lol:

De nuevo......... te he dejado sin argumentos.

jejeje