El Vino

Re: El Vino

La típica pafirmación de los mundanos que no concoen a Dios.Se asombran cuando nos ven disfrutar una ocasión social sin recurrir a la intoxicación forzada, o estimulación artificial con el alcohol o cualquier droga. El alcohol es un depresor general del sistema nervioso central, actúa igual que un anestésico, pero cuando las cantidades de alcohol son moderadas el alcohol produce efectos ansiolíticos, antitensionales, produce relajación, alegría y esto debido a que primero deprime los centros inhibitorios y deja seguir actuando a los centros exitatorios. Es una falsa alegría. Llevo más de 30 años sin probar alcoho, y ni falta que me hace. Lo aborrezco, viendo el efecto perverso que tiene, especialmente en los profesos cristianos.

Luc 18:9 A unos que confiaban en sí mismos como justos, y menospreciaban a los otros, dijo también esta parábola:
Luc 18:10 Dos hombres subieron al templo a orar: uno era fariseo, y el otro publicano.
Luc 18:11 El fariseo, puesto en pie, oraba consigo mismo de esta manera: Dios, te doy gracias porque no soy como los otros hombres, ladrones, injustos, adúlteros, ni aun como este publicano;
Luc 18:12 ayuno dos veces a la semana, doy diezmos de todo lo que gano.
Luc 18:13 Mas el publicano, estando lejos, no quería ni aun alzar los ojos al cielo, sino que se golpeaba el pecho, diciendo: Dios, sé propicio a mí, pecador.
Luc 18:14 Os digo que éste descendió a su casa justificado antes que el otro; porque cualquiera que se enaltece, será humillado; y el que se humilla será enaltecido.(A)

Tit 1:15 Todas las cosas son puras para los puros, mas para los corrompidos e incrédulos nada les es puro; pues hasta su mente y su conciencia están corrompidas.

Salud!
 
Re: El Vino

No se si este es el epígrafe del vino que me sugirieron para participar.
Solo comentar que es obvio que no todo el tiempo es "época de uva"
Además es completamente anti-Torá el desperdiciar.
La uva no se conserva en su estado "natural"
O se hace deshidratan convirtiéndolas en pasas o se prepara jugo de uva (mitz anavim).
Pero de no ser bebido todo, se almacena y se convierte en "iain", es decir, vino.
 
Re: El Vino

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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> Aquí en la Argentina está la costumbre de tomar vino con agua para digerir la carne ovina y se dice por las grasas y aún se le da de tomar a los niños .El ovino es la base de la comida de los israelitas en tiempos bíblicos.



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Ya San Pablo estaba persuadido de esta virtud. Así decía a Timoteo: “ Deja ya de no beber mas que agua. Toma un poco de vino a causa de tu estómago y de tu frecuente malestar”. Por lo pronto, gracias a su acidez natural, el vino aumenta la secreción salivar. Esto es un excelente aperitivo, aquel que desde los primeros tragos pone al organismo en buenas condiciones para digerir. Pero es desde luego el sólo aperitivo válido natural y sano, que no arriesga, al contrario de lo que hace otras bebidas adulteradas, el “abrir el apetito, como ciertas llaves falsas abres las cerraduras, destrozándolas según la ocurrencia de un médico celebre.
La secreción del jugo gástrico se encuentra también excitada y acrecentada por el vino. Esta bebida contiene, además, diastasas análogas a las de nuestros jugos digestivos, lo que le permite venir en ayuda de los estómagos fatigados y deficientes. Su tanino es un excitante de las fibras de todo el aparato digestivo. El uso regular de un buen vino, actuando, como estimulante de las secreciones intestinales ayuda también en la lucha contra el estreñimiento, dolencia que aflige a muchos de nuestros contemporáneos.
Pero sobre todo, se ha comprobado que el vino facilita poderosamente la digestión de los próidos (carnes, pescados, ostras, quesos). Es, según Genevois, la sola bebida que permite la fácil digestión de ellos gracias a su acidez iónica y a su débil presión osmótica. Ahora bien, con la elevación del nivel de vida, la relación alimenticia del hombre moderno se encuentra singularmente enriquecida en prótidos nobles de origen animal, lujo que en otros tiempos estaba reservado a las clases acomodadas. El vino, aliándose maravillosamente en estos prótidos, realiza ante todo una perfecta y golosa alianza, antes de facilitar su digestión. Así el acuerdo gastronómico de las carnes, pescados, mariscos, crustáceos y quesos con el vino que más les conviene no es solamente un refinamiento epicureo, sino también una sabia medida de higiene digestiva, científicamente probada.
 
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No se si este es el epígrafe del vino que me sugirieron para participar.
Solo comentar que es obvio que no todo el tiempo es "época de uva"
Además es completamente anti-Torá el desperdiciar.
La uva no se conserva en su estado "natural"
O se hace deshidratan convirtiéndolas en pasas o se prepara jugo de uva (mitz anavim).
Pero de no ser bebido todo, se almacena y se convierte en "iain", es decir, vino.

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Re: El Vino

LEAL , TE RECOMIENDO ESTE LIBRO PARA QUE SALGAS DEL OSCURANTISMO ETÍLICO:

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SE PUEDEN BAJAR UNOS CUANTOS CAPÍTULOS. CON RESPECTO A LA PRESERVACIÓN DEL VINO EN LA ANTIGUEDAD, BAJA ÉSTE:

http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/wine_in_the_bible/3.html

¿Te vas a poner a discutir con un summacumlaude y profesor universitarios? Por favor . . . .


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Re: El Vino

Si la fecha de las Pascuas es entre marzo y abril y la cosecha de uvas en setiembre y octubre como podrían tener uvas frescas para hacer jugo.
No lo hacían, Pésaj se celebra con vino.
 
Re: El Vino

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Mis bendiciones.
 
Re: El Vino

La mayoría de nosotros somos abstemios por decisión propia pero no es pecado tomar vino y sí lo es la embriaguez , que es aquel que no tiene control para beber y es semejante a la glotonería pero la comida no es pecado sino el abuso que se hace con ella y esa es mi diferencia con los adventistas que no pueden ver más allá de sus narices , enceguecidos por sus falsos maestros y no tomo por Jesucristo porque debo estar siempre sobrio como ministro pero no juzgo al que toma con moderación .-
Mis bendiciones.

Dices que no juzgas y juzgas.
Todo lo que está a disposición del hombre es AMORAL.
No se puede calificar al "vino" de pecado, así como no se puede decir que la cerveza sea pecado o que el cerdo es pecado, etc. porque estos elementos, animados ó inanimados, son amorales.
 
Re: El Vino

¿Y tú por qué lo haces? Necio y medio.


Yo no tomo alcohol...Pero si comparto LA VERDAD, sin enredarme en la falsedad, ni defender doctrinas FALSAS como la de los Elenistas....la cual tú defiendes con orgullo, aunque ya se te ha demostrado que es FALSA y ERRONEA.


1Ti 3:8 Los diáconos asimismo deben ser honestos, sin doblez, no dados a mucho vino, no codiciosos de ganancias deshonestas;


MUUUUYY diferente a la FALSEDAD que predicó la FALSA profetisa Elena y que tú defiendes neciamente : "NO DEBEN TOMAR VINO JAMÁS"...

No está escrito. (Tampoco está escrito que debemos de ser "vegetarianos"..OTRA MENTIRA Adventista)...Uds. son una tarea de SECTARIOS, seguidores de HOMBRES y están BAJO MALDICIÓN por hacer eso. (Jeremías 17:5).

Teman y escuchen A DIOS, no a los hombres y sus huecas tradiciones.

Luis Alberto42
 
Re: El Vino

¿Y qué produce el vino fermentado tomado como ustedes lo hacen?

Sabatonico, nadie está diciendo que la borrachera o la embriaguez no es pecado, solo se está tratando sobre si se pudiese o no beber vino, claro está, sin llegar a la embriaguez.
Siempre se saca que el vino produce embriaguez, pero este no es el tema.
Mira, para que tengas una idea, yo soy cubano, y en mi país hay bastante adventista, que incluso visité de vez en cuando. Y ademas tenia buena relación con varios de ellos, y sin embargo en Cuba el adventista toma vino, y no lo cree incorrecto.
Averígualo.
Bendiciones.
David
 
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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> La mayoría de nosotros somos abstemios por decisión propia pero no es pecado tomar vino y sí lo es la embriaguez , que es aquel que no tiene control para beber y es semejante a la glotonería pero la comida no es pecado sino el abuso que se hace con ella y esa es mi diferencia con los adventistas que no pueden ver más allá de sus narices , enceguecidos por sus falsos maestros y no tomo por Jesucristo porque debo estar siempre sobrio como ministro pero no juzgo al que toma con moderación .-
Mis bendiciones.

Gracias hermano pacifico por tu comentario, tu equilibrio y tolerancia.
Shalom Ubrajot
David
 
Re: El Vino

Luc 18:9 A unos que confiaban en sí mismos como justos, y menospreciaban a los otros, dijo también esta parábola:
Luc 18:10 Dos hombres subieron al templo a orar: uno era fariseo, y el otro publicano.
Luc 18:11 El fariseo, puesto en pie, oraba consigo mismo de esta manera: Dios, te doy gracias porque no soy como los otros hombres, ladrones, injustos, adúlteros, ni aun como este publicano;
Luc 18:12 ayuno dos veces a la semana, doy diezmos de todo lo que gano.
Luc 18:13 Mas el publicano, estando lejos, no quería ni aun alzar los ojos al cielo, sino que se golpeaba el pecho, diciendo: Dios, sé propicio a mí, pecador.
Luc 18:14 Os digo que éste descendió a su casa justificado antes que el otro; porque cualquiera que se enaltece, será humillado; y el que se humilla será enaltecido.(A)

Tit 1:15 Todas las cosas son puras para los puros, mas para los corrompidos e incrédulos nada les es puro; pues hasta su mente y su conciencia están corrompidas.

Salud!

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31:27 El vino es como la vida para el hombre, siempre que se lo beba con moderación. ¿Qué es la vida cuando falta el vino? Porque él fue creado para alegría de los hombres.
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Eclesiástico.
 
Re: El Vino

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31:27 El vino es como la vida para el hombre, siempre que se lo beba con moderación. ¿Qué es la vida cuando falta el vino? Porque él fue creado para alegría de los hombres.
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Eclesiástico.

Creo que este mensaje es la culminación del debate.
Bendiciones.
David
 
Re: El Vino

Ecc 10:19 Por el placer se hace el banquete, y el vino alegra a los vivos; y el dinero sirve para todo.


Psa 104:15
Y el vino que alegra el corazón del hombre,
El aceite que hace brillar el rostro,
Y el pan que sustenta la vida del hombre.



Pero aquí la ADVERTENCIA de no EMBRIAGARSE:

Isa 5:11 ¡Ay de los que se levantan de mañana para seguir la embriaguez; que se están hasta la noche, hasta que el vino los enciende!



Luis Alberto42


 
Re: El Vino

Creo que este mensaje es la culminación del debate.
Bendiciones.
David
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mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:50%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> Exactamente. Es que eso es lo que enseña toda la biblia en realidad. Moderación.
 
Rav Lifman

Rav Lifman

Sí, era este el epígrafe que le había sugerido.
Muchas gracias por las explicaciones que ha dado. Son contundentes.
Parece que hicieron mutis y se fueron los que pegaban sendos "estudios" diciendo que los hebreos esto y los israelitas aquello, inventando técnicas para conservar por tiempo el jugo de uva.
Ahora no se atreverán a preguntarle nada.
Nuevamente, le agradezco.
Ricardo.
 
Re: El Vino

Yo no tomo alcohol...Pero si comparto LA VERDAD, sin enredarme en la falsedad, ni defender doctrinas FALSAS como la de los Elenistas....la cual tú defiendes con orgullo, aunque ya se te ha demostrado que es FALSA y ERRONEA.


1Ti 3:8 Los diáconos asimismo deben ser honestos, sin doblez, no dados a mucho vino, no codiciosos de ganancias deshonestas;


MUUUUYY diferente a la FALSEDAD que predicó la FALSA profetisa Elena y que tú defiendes neciamente : "NO DEBEN TOMAR VINO JAMÁS"...

No está escrito. (Tampoco está escrito que debemos de ser "vegetarianos"..OTRA MENTIRA Adventista)...Uds. son una tarea de SECTARIOS, seguidores de HOMBRES y están BAJO MALDICIÓN por hacer eso. (Jeremías 17:5).

Teman y escuchen A DIOS, no a los hombres y sus huecas tradiciones.

Luis Alberto42

Luis... no cometas el error de mentir, sabes bien que nosotros no usamos a Ellen White para debatir y aún así, no haz podido refutar doctrinas, mas bien no vuelves a los temas que no puedes refutar. Abrí un tema para ti solito y nunca entraste, por favor, no hables como si tuvieras al toro por los cuernos.
 
Re: El Vino

Armando...

El viscioso no dirá ni menos acepatará que tiene un viscio... ¿haz notado que los que defienden el vino aquí son bebedores de alcohol...?

Me parece que no ha leido usted todos los posteos, y entra último al debate a acusar a todo el mundo de bebedor. Mala suya.

Yo no tomo, y no encuentro prohibición bíblica para ello. Lo que encuentro claro señalamiento para la embriaguez.
 
Re: El Vino

Bueno si se trata de consultar profesores, léxico, o historiadores, escogería preguntarle a uno que conoce su propia cultura e historia. Ah, creo que ese era Rav Lifman, correcto? Y ya expresó al respecto que en el Pesaj se usa VINO, nada de jugo de uvas. Caso cerrado.

pd. Nunca entendí porque negar el asunto del vino y querer forzarlo a que sea jugo de uvas.