¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

¿Y?... ¿QUE PASÓ CON LOS BAUTIZADOS???
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

¿Y?... ¿QUE PASÓ CON LOS BAUTIZADOS???

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Dime Dagoberto, ¿tú crees que entre los ritos de iniciación de los prosélitos estaba incluido el bautismo en agua, o no?

¿Circuncisión, bautismo en agua y sacrificio?.



 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

Estimado Francisco

Partamos por conocer el tipo de bautismo que practicas..

Si has bautizado a más de mil hermanos... es porque eres pastor ¿verdad?

Dios bendiga

SOY EX-PASTOR.

He bautizado de muchas formas a lo largo de mi andar. Por inmersión, aspersión, infusión, de forma, trina, unitaria, apostólica. Bebes no he bautizado. Adultos, jóvenes, mujeres, en ríos, lagunas, bautisterios ect.

Todos esos bautismos solo tienen valor para la comunidad que los reconoce.

El bautismo que hacemos hoy, es diferente en su fondo, y a mi juicio es Es el único bautismo legitimo que conozco en Chile.

Ud dirá, comenzamos en la forma o en el Fondo?.
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

SOY EX-PASTOR.

He bautizado de muchas formas a lo largo de mi andar. Por inmersión, aspersión, infusión, de forma, trina, unitaria, apostólica. Bebes no he bautizado. Adultos, jóvenes, mujeres, en ríos, lagunas, bautisterios ect.

Todos esos bautismos solo tienen valor para la comunidad que los reconoce.

El bautismo que hacemos hoy, es diferente en su fondo, y a mi juicio es Es el único bautismo legitimo que conozco en Chile.

Ud dirá, comenzamos en la forma o en el Fondo?.
Comience por decirme a que bautismo se refiere.. en su forma y su fondo....
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

Comience por decirme a que bautismo se refiere.. en su forma y su fondo....

El bautismo católico de infante es en realidad un exorcismo, que te libera del pecado original y la actividad del demonio.

Este bautismo solo es valido para aquellos que libremente lo acepten. Para mi NO tiene ningún valor-

Ahora muestre su argumento respecto a la validez de su bautismo
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

El bautismo católico de infante es en realidad un exorcismo, que te libera del pecado original y la actividad del demonio.

Este bautismo solo es valido para aquellos que libremente lo acepten. Para mi NO tiene ningún valor-

Ahora muestre su argumento respecto a la validez de su bautismo

Respecto el Bautismo de Ud creo que debe ser valido solo en su agrupación y en las que deseen voluntariamente concederle algún valor.

Generalmente los bautismos no sirven para nada, solo como rito de incorporación de alguna organización religiosa.

Ni la organizaciones tampoco le reconocen valor, salvo cuando son los propios.

¿ Para quién tiene valor su bautismo Dagoberto Juan?
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

[FONT=&quot]¿Sustentado con qué, con lo que dijo el cura? [/FONT]

no.... con lo que dije yo....¿porque?

¿acaso tu no mas tienes derecho a escribrir ? yo no veo NINGUN SUSTENTO en tus comentarios ...todos son asi, como el que acabas de poner .....no pidas lo que tu mismo no puedes dar....
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

Te habrás dado cuenta que no participo del bautismo por inmersión (que no tiene asidero bíblico)

Pues ya lo saben todos los que bautizan en agua por inmersión ( no tiene asidero biblico segun don daguito )


Disparate aparte

En una oportunidad le pregunte a un pentercostés como le habian bautizado . me explico que el pastor los llamó adelante y los rocio con gotas de agua y que en el fondo el agua solo quedo en su traje

Disparate incluido

Los mismos que se esmeran en anunciar el bautismo por rociamiento o aspersion terminan bautizando bebes en la formula trina ...es decir solo les falta persignarse al reves
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

El bautismo católico de infante es en realidad un exorcismo, que te libera del pecado original y la actividad del demonio
???????????????

Yo no tengo absolutamente nada que ver con el bautismo católico......

Este bautismo solo es valido para aquellos que libremente lo acepten. Para mi NO tiene ningún valor-
Para mí tampoco...

Ahora muestre su argumento respecto a la validez de su bautismo
????????????????????????????????????...............

¿Que bautismo?.... Si finalmente usted no me mostró "el único bautismo legítimo que conoce en Chile"????

Saludos
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

Respecto el Bautismo de Ud creo que debe ser valido solo en su agrupación y en las que deseen voluntariamente concederle algún valor.

Generalmente los bautismos no sirven para nada, solo como rito de incorporación de alguna organización religiosa.

Ni la organizaciones tampoco le reconocen valor, salvo cuando son los propios.

¿ Para quién tiene valor su bautismo Dagoberto Juan?

????????????????????????????????????

??????????.... Se le pegó el espíritu de agresividad??????

Pensé que sería más serio para debatir....

Dios le bendiga
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

????????????????????????????????????

??????????.... Se le pegó el espíritu de agresividad??????

Pensé que sería más serio para debatir....

Dios le bendiga
agresividad?

pues NO

Solo me interesó el emplazamiento que hizo.

soy serio en el debate y respetuoso. Siempre respondo todo lo que preguntan.

¿ En que sostiene la validez de su bautismo?

En su fe?
En su Iglesia ?
En su forma?
En la Biblia?

Si no PUEDE responder, entenderé.
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

agresividad?

pues NO

Solo me interesó el emplazamiento que hizo.

soy serio en el debate y respetuoso. Siempre respondo todo lo que preguntan.

¿ En que sostiene la validez de su bautismo?

En su fe?
En su Iglesia ?
En su forma?
En la Biblia?

Si no PUEDE responder, entenderé.

No tengo ningún problema en responder...

Lo que no entiendo todavía es si...¿usted sabe que bautismo postulo yo, ya que me pregunta por él?

Saludos
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

¿¿Y porque no le sacas todos los comodines y me muestras donde dice su palabra "fue sumergido"....????

Saludos



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G907
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βαπτίζω
baptizō
</DIR>
Thayer Definition:
<DIR>
1) to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
2) to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one’s self, bathe
3) to overwhelm



1) Mojar algo repetidamente, sumergir *(de vasijas sumergidas)
2) lavar por mojar o al sumergir, lavar, hacer limpio con agua, lavarse uno mismo, bañarse
3) abrumar


</DIR>Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from a derivative of G911
Citing in TDNT: 1:529, 92



<DIR>2Reyes 5:13 Pero sus siervos se acercaron a él y le hablaron diciendo: —Padre mío, si el profeta te hubiera mandado alguna cosa grande, ¿no la habrías hecho? Con mayor razón si él te dice: "Lávate y serás limpio."

2Reyes 5:14 Entonces él descendió y se sumergió siete veces ("siete" representa "perfección espiritual" en la Bíblia) en el Jordán, conforme a la palabra del hombre de Dios. Y su carne se volvió como la carne de un niño pequeño, y quedó limpio.
</DIR>


H2881
טָבַל tabál; raíz prim.; sumergir, hundir:-hundir, meter, mojar, teñir, zambullir.





<SUP>Luis Alberto42</SUP>
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

Jeje... Que forma más burda de escapar... ¿Donde estará Josefo?

Tráigame los bautismos del Antiguo testamento, así, de la misma forma como bautizó Juan Bautista...

Espero... para aprender...

Gracias

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Dagoberto, responde: ¿el bautismo en agua era uno de los ritos de iniciación de un prosélito?
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

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mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:50%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> <sup>2</sup>y siendo sumos sacerdotes Anás y Caifás, vino palabra de Dios a Juan, hijo de Zacarías, en el desierto.<sup> 3</sup>Y él fue por toda la región contigua al Jordán, predicando el bautismo del arrepentimiento para perdón de pecados,<sup> 4</sup>como está escrito en el libro de las palabras del profeta Isaías, que dice:
Voz del que clama en el desierto:
Preparad el camino del Señor;...

... <sup>[FONT=&quot]15[/FONT]</sup>[FONT=&quot]Como el pueblo estaba en expectativa, preguntándose todos en sus corazones si acaso Juan sería el Cristo,[/FONT]<sup>[FONT=&quot] 16[/FONT]</sup>[FONT=&quot]respondió Juan, diciendo a todos: Yo a la verdad os bautizo en agua; pero viene uno más poderoso que yo, de quien no soy digno de desatar la correa de su calzado; él os bautizará en Espíritu Santo y fuego.[/FONT]
Lc.3

Juan bautizaba en el Jordán. El verbo bautizar indica sumergir totalmente a algo o alguien en un medio ambiente totalmente distinto del que estaba anteriormente. En este caso, la persona era totalmente inmersa en agua, tal y como era costumbre en Israel en uno de los ritos de purificación, y también en la iniciación de prosélitos.

[FONT=&quot]βαπτίζω[/FONT][FONT=&quot], f. Att. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]ι[/FONT][FONT=&quot], to dip in or under water; metaph., [/FONT][FONT=&quot]βεβαπτισμένοι[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]soaked in wine,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Plat.; [/FONT][FONT=&quot]φλήμασι βεβ[/FONT][FONT=&quot]. over head and ears in debt, Plut.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] to baptize, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]τινά[/FONT][FONT=&quot] N.T.:—Pass., [/FONT][FONT=&quot]βαπτίζεσθαι ε[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ς μετάνοιαν, ε[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ς [/FONT][FONT=&quot]φεσιν [/FONT][FONT=&quot]μαρτι[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ν[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Ib.:—Med. to get oneself baptized, Ib. Hence [/FONT][FONT=&quot]βάπτισμα[/FONT]<sup>[FONT=&quot]<sup>[FONT=&quot][1][/FONT]</sup>[/FONT]</sup>[FONT=&quot][/FONT]



[FONT=&quot]βάπτω, βαπτίζω[/FONT][FONT=&quot].<sup>*</sup>[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]A.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] The meaning of [/FONT][FONT=&quot]βάπτω[/FONT][FONT=&quot] and [/FONT][FONT=&quot]βαπτίζω[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]βάπτω[/FONT][FONT=&quot], “to dip in or under” (trans.): Hom. Od., 9, 392; Aesch. Prom., 863: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]ν σφαγα[/FONT][FONT=&quot]σι βάψασα ξίφος[/FONT][FONT=&quot]; “to dye,” used in Josephus only in this sense, Bell., 4, 563; Ant., 3, 102; [/FONT][FONT=&quot]βάμμα[/FONT][FONT=&quot], “dyed material,” Ant., 3, 129; P. Par., 52, 10; 53, 5 (163/2 b.c.): [/FONT][FONT=&quot]βαπτά[/FONT][FONT=&quot], “dyed or coloured clothes.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The intens. [[/FONT][FONT=&quot]βαπτίζω[/FONT][FONT=&quot] occurs in the sense of “to immerse” (trans.) from the time of Hippocrates, in Plato and esp. in later writers, a. strictly, act. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]βαπτίζειν τ[/FONT][FONT=&quot] σκάφος[/FONT][FONT=&quot], “to sink the ship,” Jos. Bell., 3, 368, [/FONT][FONT=&quot] κλύδων (τ[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ς να[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ς) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]βάπτιζεν[/FONT][FONT=&quot], Bell., 3, 423; pass. “to sink”: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]ν [/FONT][FONT=&quot]λ[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in the mud), Plot. Enn., I, 8, 13 (I, p. 112, 6, Volkmann; → 532), “to suffer shipwreck,” “to drown,” “to perish”: Jos. Bell., 3, 525; Epict. Gnom. Stob. Fr. 47, p. 489, Schenkl; [/FONT][FONT=&quot]βάπτιστος να[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ς[/FONT][FONT=&quot], schol. in Luc. Jup. Trag., 47, p. 83, Rabe). In magic a part is played by water [/FONT][FONT=&quot]π[/FONT][FONT=&quot] νεναυαγηκότος πλοίου[/FONT][FONT=&quot] or [/FONT][FONT=&quot]π[/FONT][FONT=&quot] πακτ[/FONT][FONT=&quot]νος βεβαπτισμένου[/FONT][FONT=&quot], Preis. Zaub., V (London), 69 (4th cent...[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]... On Mandaean baptism → 536. There are many early examples of sacral water ceremonies in Babylon,<sup>9</sup> Persia<sup>10</sup> and India.<sup>11</sup> With the Ganges the Euphrates came to have a religious significance comparable with that of the Jordan among Jews and Christians.<sup>12</sup> It is impossible to trace all these customs to a common root...[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]...The nearest analogies to the baptism of John are the baptisms of official Judaism, and especially proselyte baptism. John’s baptism, like that of proselytes, is once and for all. It makes a great demand on the members of the elect people in ranking them with the defiled Gentiles who were apparently admitted on the same conditions (Lk. 3:14). In contrast to proselyte baptism, however, its orientation is not political or ritualistic, but distinctively ethical, with a close relation to eschatology. <sup><sup>[FONT=&quot][2][/FONT]</sup></sup>[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]



<hr align="left" size="1" width="33%"> f. future tense

Att. Attic, in Attic Greek

metaph. metaphorically

Plat. Plato. Philosophus, v/iv b.c., Ed. J. Burnet, Oxford (OCT). Scholia, Ed. C. F.


Hom. Homer, of Chios (?), the classical Greek epic poet, around whose name were grouped the older epics of the Ionians in the 9th and 8th centuries b.c., ed. G. Monro and T. W. Allen, 1908 ff.

Od. Odyssey.

Aesch. Aeschylus, of Eleusis near Athens (525–456 b.c.), the first of the three great Attic dramatists, ed. U. v. Wilamowitz, 1915; Fragments, ed. A. Nauck in Tragicorum Graecorum Fragmenta, 1889.


Ant. Antiquitates.

P. Par. Notices et Extraits des Manuscrits Grecs de ta Bibliothèque Impériale, XVIII, 2 (1865), ed. by W. Brunet de Presle.

trans. transitive.

e

Plot. Plotinus, of Lycopolis in Egypt (204–270 a.d.), the last great thinker of antiquity who brought Neo-Platonism to systematic completion, ed. R. Volkmann, 1883 ff.

Enn. Enneads.

Jos. Flavius Josephus, Jewish author (c. 37–97 a.d.) in Palestine and later Rome, author in Greek of the Jewish War and Jewish Archaeology, which treat of the period from creation to Nero, ed. B. Niese, 1887 ff.

Bell. Bellum Judaicum.

Epict. Epictetus, Phrygian slave of Hierapolis in the days of Nero (50–130 a.d.), freed at the imperial palace, Stoic of the younger school and preacher of ethics tinged with religion. From his lectures his pupil Arrian collected 8 books of diatribes which have been preserved, ed. H. Schenkl<sup>2</sup>, 1916.

Gnom. Stob. Gnomologium Stobaei.

Fr. Fragmenta (-um).

schol. Scholion (-a).

Luc. Lucianus, of Samosata in Syria (120–180 a.d.), best-known, though renegade, representative of the Second Sophistic School, rhetorician and lively satirist of his epoch, ed. C. Jacobitz, 1836; W. Dindorf, 1858.

Jup. Trag. Juppiter Tragicus.

Preis. Zaub. K. Preisendanz, Papyri Graecae Magicae, 1928 ff.

<sup>9</sup> Chant. de la Saussaye, I, 572.

<sup>10</sup> Ibid., II, 241.

<sup>11</sup> On the Vedic dīkshā (consecration of Brahmins), ibid., II, 49, 55 and Reitzenstein, Taufe, 46, 120, 211 ff.

<sup>1</sup>

<sup><sup>[FONT=&quot][2][/FONT]</sup></sup> Theological dictionary of the New Testament. 1964- (G. Kittel, G. W. Bromiley & G. Friedrich, Ed.) (electronic ed.). Vol. 1 (537). Eerdmans: Grand Rapids, MI
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

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G907
βαπτίζω baptízo; de un der. de G911; dejar abrumado (i.e. completamente mojado); usado solo (en el N.T.) de la ablución ceremonial, espec. (tec.) de la ordenanza del bautismo crist:-bautismo, bautizar, lavar.


G911
βάπτω bápto; verbo prim., arrollar, inundar, i.e. cubrir completamente con un fluido; en el N.T. solo en un sentido especial y calificado, i.e. (lit.) mojar (una parte de una persona), o (por impl.) manchar (como con tintura):-teñir, mojar, bañar.


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G907
<DIR>
βαπτίζω
baptizō
</DIR>
Thayer Definition:
<DIR>
1) to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
2) to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one’s self, bathe
3) to overwhelm



1) Mojar algo repetidamente, sumergir *(de vasijas sumergidas)
2) lavar por mojar o al sumergir, lavar, hacer limpio con agua, lavarse uno mismo, bañarse
3) abrumar


</DIR>Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from a derivative of G911
Citing in TDNT: 1:529, 92



<DIR>2Reyes 5:13 Pero sus siervos se acercaron a él y le hablaron diciendo: —Padre mío, si el profeta te hubiera mandado alguna cosa grande, ¿no la habrías hecho? Con mayor razón si él te dice: "Lávate y serás limpio."

2Reyes 5:14 Entonces él descendió y se sumergió siete veces ("siete" representa "perfección espiritual" en la Bíblia) en el Jordán, conforme a la palabra del hombre de Dios. Y su carne se volvió como la carne de un niño pequeño, y quedó limpio.
</DIR>


H2881
טָבַל tabál; raíz prim.; sumergir, hundir:-hundir, meter, mojar, teñir, zambullir.





<SUP>Luis Alberto42</SUP>
Jejejeje... ¿Y porque no te diste cien vueltas de carnero para llegar a la palabra sumergir de 2 Reyes 5:14... ..como te las diste para llegara a Hechos 16:33 ????????????

Jejejejejejeje....

HONESTIDAD LUCHITO...

Dios te bendiga
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

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UnhideWhenUsed="false" QFormat="true" Name="Intense Emphasis"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="31" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" QFormat="true" Name="Subtle Reference"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="32" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" QFormat="true" Name="Intense Reference"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="33" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" QFormat="true" Name="Book Title"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="37" Name="Bibliography"/> <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="39" QFormat="true" Name="TOC Heading"/> </w:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-qformat:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin-top:0in; mso-para-margin-right:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:50%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> Inmersión en agua, esa era la forma del bautismo que practicaba Juan.

<sup>6</sup>y eran bautizados por él en el Jordán, confesando sus pecados. Mt.3

<sup>23</sup>Juan bautizaba también en Enón, junto a Salim, porque había allí muchas aguas; y venían, y eran bautizados. 3:21


<sup>16</sup>Y Jesús, después que fue bautizado, subió [FONT=&quot]ἀ[/FONT][FONT=&quot]νέβη[/FONT] luego del agua; y he aquí los cielos le fueron abiertos,... Mt.3

Después que fue sumergido en el agua, subió del agua.



[FONT=&quot]ἀ[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ναβαίνω[/FONT] fut. [FONT=&quot]ἀ[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ναβήσομαι[/FONT]; 2 aor. [FONT=&quot]ἀ[/FONT][FONT=&quot]νέβην[/FONT], impv. [FONT=&quot]ἀ[/FONT][FONT=&quot]νάβα[/FONT] Rv 4:1, pl. [FONT=&quot]ἀ[/FONT][FONT=&quot]νάβατε[/FONT] 11:12 ([FONT=&quot]ἀ[/FONT][FONT=&quot]νάβητε[/FONT] v.l.; s. W-S. §13, 22; Mlt-H. 209f); pf. [FONT=&quot]ἀ[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ναβέβηκα[/FONT] (Hom.+)
[FONT=&quot]①[/FONT] To be in motion upward, go up, ascend
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Para bautismo por aspersión no es necesario muchos aguas, con una palangana se resuelve el asunto. Y si es “agua bendita” mucho mejor.

Otra cosa, el rito del bautismo de Juan, requería confesión de pecados de los que eran bautizados.

El bautismo de Juan era de arrepentimiento para perdón de pecados. Claramente un rito pre-sacrificio del Mesías, prescrito para prepararle el corazón del pueblo de Israel de aquellos días, para el recibimiento del Cristo.



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Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

No tengo ningún problema en responder...

Lo que no entiendo todavía es si...¿usted sabe que bautismo postulo yo, ya que me pregunta por él?

Saludos

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mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:50%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> <sup>5</sup>Y salía a él Jerusalén, y toda Judea, y toda la provincia de alrededor del Jordán,<sup> 6</sup>y eran bautizados por él en el Jordán, confesando sus pecados.

Los que participaban en el bautismo de Juan, iban voluntariamente a ser bautizados; pero a los infantes que tu bautizas los llevan sus padres. Ahora, lo que no sé es quién era el que confesaba los pecados del infante, si él o sus padres.

¿Y tú dices que practicas el bautismo de Juan?. A cuál Juan te estás refiriendo...
 
Re: ¿ Como se bautizó en agua el carcelero de Filipos ?

Dagoberto Juan;Obviamente estimado Greivin, el bautismo en agua fue instituido prácticamente cuando comienza el tiempo de la Gracia: Cristo...

Digo que no es tradición, simplemente porque NO ERA TRADICIÓN,
era una práctica instituida por Dios, a la cual el mismo Cristo le llamó justicia el practicarlo, aunque él no lo necesitara


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<sup>5</sup>Y salía a él Jerusalén, y toda Judea, y toda la provincia de alrededor del Jordán,<sup> 6</sup>y eran bautizados por él en el Jordán, confesando sus pecados.



<sup>7</sup>Al ver él que muchos de los fariseos y de los saduceos venían a su bautismo, les decía: ¡Generación de víboras! ¿Quién os enseñó a huir de la ira venidera?<sup> 8</sup>Haced, pues, frutos dignos de arrepentimiento, Mt.3

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