LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

Mi estimado, el libro de mateo fue escrito en HEBREO y ARAMEO, que ud. los ignore, y no pueda leerlos, no es MI problema.
Ud. podra ver tres personas, donde NO las hay, NO puedo hacer nada por UD.

SI ud leyera cuando se bautizo el señor jesucristo y prestara atencion a lo que le copio, su corazon se le saldria del pecho.

(TKIM-DE) Por lo tanto, vayan a hacer talmidim a gente de todas las naciones, dándoles la inmersión en mi Nombre.

Puesto que en Su Nombre está el Nombre de ABBA, pues es YAHWEH Salva, esta es la lectura correcta.

Su problema, y se lo digo con todo respeto, es que no presta atencion a este versiculo, ALLI se manifiesta MAS que UNA deidad.

meditelo.

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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> Ahora entiendo que solo habla del evangelio de Mateo que se cree que fue escrito originalmente en arameo no encontrándose hoy ninguna copia y luego se hallaron copias traducidas en hebreo en posesión de judíos pero esto no demuestra que las que posee la Iglesia Católica se haya agregado la frase Padre, Hijo y Espíritu Santo porque la trinidad es mejor explicada por Pablo en Efesios 4 , Un solo Dios, Padre de todos , por todos y en todos .
 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> Ahora entiendo que solo habla del evangelio de Mateo que se cree que fue escrito originalmente en arameo no encontrándose hoy ninguna copia y luego se hallaron copias traducidas en hebreo en posesión de judíos pero esto no demuestra que las que posee la Iglesia Católica se haya agregado la frase Padre, Hijo y Espíritu Santo porque la trinidad es mejor explicada por Pablo en Efesios 4 , Un solo Dios, Padre de todos , por todos y en todos .

Mi estimado en efesios 4 , NO HABLA de TRINIDAD

Efesios 4:5 Y hay un Adón, (yeshua) una confianza, una inmersión,
Efesios 4:6 y un Elohim, el Padre de todos, quién gobierna sobre todos, obra por medio de todos y está en todos.

Aqui habla de UNIDAD de LOS CREYENTES obedeciendo a ELOHIM, el PADRE
 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

Mi estimado en efesios 4 , NO HABLA de TRINIDAD

Efesios 4:5 Y hay un Adón, (yeshua) una confianza, una inmersión,
Efesios 4:6 y un Elohim, el Padre de todos, quién gobierna?? sobre todos, obra ???por medio de todos y está en todos.

Aqui habla de UNIDAD de LOS CREYENTES obedeciendo a ELOHIM, el PADRE

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un Dios y Padre de todos, el cual es sobre todos, y por todos, y en todos.

[SUP]6[/SUP]εις θεος και πατηρ παντων ο επι παντων και δια παντων και εν πασιν υμιν

[FONT=&quot]ε[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ἱ̂[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ς[/FONT][FONT=&quot], [/FONT][FONT=&quot]G1520) [/FONT][FONT=&quot], uno.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]([/FONT][FONT=&quot]θέος[/FONT][FONT=&quot], G2316), Dios.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]([/FONT][FONT=&quot]καί[/FONT][FONT=&quot], G2532) [/FONT][FONT=&quot], [/FONT][FONT=&quot]«y»[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
([/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]πατήρ[/FONT][FONT=&quot], G3962) [/FONT][FONT=&quot], padre[/FONT]
Efesios 4:6 Adj-GMP
BIB: καὶ πατὴρ πάντων, ὁ ἐπὶ
NAS: Dios y Padre de todos, que está más
RV: y Padre de todos, que [es] por encima de
INT: y Padre de todos, que [es] más
Efesios 4:6 Adj-GMP
BIB: ἐπὶ πάντων καὶ διὰ
NAS: el cual es sobre todos, por todos
RV: que [es] por encima de todos, y por
INT: que [es] en todos, y por
Efesios 4:6 Adj-GMP
BIB: καὶ διὰ πάντων καὶ ἐν
NAS: todos, por todos y en todos.
RV: y por todos, y en
INT: y por todos, y en


Aquí le presento las pruebas .




 
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un Dios y Padre de todos, el cual es sobre todos, y por todos, y en todos.

[SUP]6[/SUP]εις θεος και πατηρ παντων ο επι παντων και δια παντων και εν πασιν υμιν

εἱ̂ς, G1520) , uno.
(θέος, G2316), Dios.
(καί, G2532) , «y»
(
πατήρ, G3962) , padre
Efesios 4:6 Adj-GMP
BIB: καὶ πατὴρ πάντων, ὁ ἐπὶ
NAS: Dios y Padre de todos, que está más
RV: y Padre de todos, que [es] por encima de
INT: y Padre de todos, que [es] más
Efesios 4:6 Adj-GMP
BIB: ἐπὶ πάντων καὶ διὰNAS: el cual es sobre todos, por todos
RV: que [es] por encima de todos, y por
INT: que [es] en todos, y por
Efesios 4:6 Adj-GMP
BIB: καὶ διὰ πάντων καὶ ἐν
NAS: todos, por todos y en todos.
RV: y por todos, y en
INT: y por todos, y en


Aquí le presento las pruebas .


EXACTO ahi esta la prueba, LEA

Efesios 4:5 Y hay un Adón, (yeshua).................
Efesios 4:6 y un Elohim, el Padre de todos........

Todo es uno, bajo el Padre YAHWEH

Alli NO hay trinidad
 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

EXACTO ahi esta la prueba, LEA

Efesios 4:5 Y hay un Adón, (yeshua).................
Efesios 4:6 y un Elohim, el Padre de todos........

Todo es uno, bajo el Padre YAHWEH

Alli NO hay trinidad


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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> El concepto trinitario no creo que sea el problema y quizás lo sea su nombre mismo .

trinidad.
(Del lat. trinĭtas, -ātis).
1. f. Rel. Distinción de tres personas divinas en una sola y única esencia, misterio inefable de la religión cristiana.


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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi; mso-fareast-language:EN-US;} </style> <![endif]--> Le explico efesios 4 ,

Dios es uno , Padre de todos ,

por todos .
Juan 1: [SUP]14[/SUP] Y aquel Verbo fue hecho carne, y habitó entre nosotros (y vimos su gloria, gloria como del unigénito del Padre), lleno de gracia y de verdad.
1 Timoteo 3:16
16 E indiscutiblemente, grande es el misterio de la piedad:
Dios fue manifestado en carne,
Justificado en el Espíritu,
Visto de los ángeles,
Predicado a los gentiles,
Creído en el mundo,
Recibido arriba en gloria.


En todos .
Hechos 2:17
Y en los postreros días, (ya estamos) dice Dios, Derramaré de mi Espíritu sobre toda carne, Y vuestros hijos y vuestras hijas profetizarán; Vuestros jóvenes verán visiones, Y vuestros ancianos soñarán sueños;
 
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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> El concepto trinitario no creo que sea el problema y quizás lo sea su nombre mismo .

trinidad.
(Del lat. trinĭtas, -ātis).
1. f. Rel. Distinción de tres personas divinas en una sola y única esencia, misterio inefable de la religión cristiana.


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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi; mso-fareast-language:EN-US;} </style> <![endif]--> Le explico efesios 4 ,

Dios es uno , Padre de todos ,

por todos .
Juan 1: [SUP]14[/SUP] Y aquel Verbo fue hecho carne, y habitó entre nosotros (y vimos su gloria, gloria como del unigénito del Padre), lleno de gracia y de verdad.
1 Timoteo 3:16
16 E indiscutiblemente, grande es el misterio de la piedad:
Dios fue manifestado en carne,
Justificado en el Espíritu,
Visto de los ángeles,
Predicado a los gentiles,
Creído en el mundo,
Recibido arriba en gloria.


En todos .
Hechos 2:17
Y en los postreros días, (ya estamos) dice Dios, Derramaré de mi Espíritu sobre toda carne, Y vuestros hijos y vuestras hijas profetizarán; Vuestros jóvenes verán visiones, Y vuestros ancianos soñarán sueños;

Bien se ALINEA con :

Pro 30:4 ¿Quién ha subido al cielo y ha descendido? ¿Quién ha atrapado al viento en la taza de su mano? ¿Quién ha envuelto las aguas en su manto? ¿Quién tiene dominio de los confines del mundo? ¿Cuál es Su Nombre y cuál es El Nombre de su hijo? ¡Seguramente tú sabes

Dan 2:22 El revela cosas profundas y secretas; El sabe lo que hay en la oscuridad; y la luz mora con El. (el mesias yeshua/jesus)
 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

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En todos .
Hechos 2:17
Y en los postreros días, (ya estamos) dice Dios, Derramaré de mi Espíritu sobre toda carne, Y vuestros hijos y vuestras hijas profetizarán; Vuestros jóvenes verán visiones, Y vuestros ancianos soñarán sueños;

Por lo que vengo estudiando, estamos en el ultimo JUBILEO
 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> El concepto trinitario no creo que sea el problema y quizás lo sea su nombre mismo .

trinidad.
(Del lat. trinĭtas, -ātis).
1. f. Rel. Distinción de tres personas divinas en una sola y única esencia, misterio inefable de la religión cristiana.

Esa el la base de donde se tomo para formar la trinidad el LATIN

En el judaismo, DIOS es UNO.
 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

Dan 2:22 El )El padre) revela cosas profundas y secretas; El (El padre) sabe lo que hay en la oscuridad; y la luz mora con El. (el mesias yeshua/jesus)

Asi se lee mejor
 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

hermanos mañana si el PADRE lo dispone sera un nuevo dia lleno de sus misericordias, donde podremos disfrutar de los meritos de yeshua, el SEÑOR

Seguiremos compartiendo, si asi nos congrega este tema

bendiciones
sergio
 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

Mi amigo, TODAS, son sectas para el JUDAIZMO, incluidos los nazarenos de donde provenia YESHUA.-

Mi amigo la trinidad, NO se ESPECIFICA en EL NT, y MENOS en AT.

Mi amigo, en los escritos ravinicos, se trata el tema del verbo/menra, y te sorprenderia.


1 - No hay link para ella
2 - Tienes e-sword, y si la tienes que version es..?

Bendiciones Sergio

¿Como anda el Independiente?...me desconocte completamente... pronto me actualizo.

Con respecto al debate, te recuerdo que el nombre del epigrafe se llama LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO... Lamentablemente muto a la Trinidad, aunque entiendo que era inebitable... pero ojala logremos regresar al titulo original, si se puede, y si no, pues con gusto charlamos en lo que entendemos por "La Santa Trinidad".

Pero con este tema, si quisiera que quedara claro mi punto de vista

Ya que hay, en la historia sangrada, hombres de Dios que han dividido su postura, yo al menos no me confundo... porque lo que es necesario para nuestra salvación está suficientemente claro gracias a Dios

La doctrina de la Trinidad tiene sus raíces en la Biblia y la Iglesia postapostólica la aceptó.... (inclusive antes de Nicea, siglo II y III)

Nadie ha negado que haya tenido un desarrollo para para su formulaciónmas clara... eso tal vez los confunda

Pero para eso estamos aqui, ahora bien, yo tampoco tengo problemas con argumentar sobre la Deidad de Cristo, pero no se que postura tienes al respecto.

Paz de Dios
 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

En hebreo el Antiguo Testamento

En griego el Nuevo Testamento.

Parece ser que Mateo se escribió en arameo:

Fecha, idioma y lugar: Mateo escribió su evangelio en su forma primitiva hacia los años 60-70 y su redacción definitiva se hizo hacia el año 80, probablemente por un discípulo. El idioma empleado fue el arameo, la lengua utilizada por los judíos que vivían en Palestina. Se piensa que probablemente fue escrito en Siria, donde había mayor número de judíos cristianizados.
 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

Por lo que vengo estudiando, estamos en el ultimo JUBILEO

en Hechos 2 se cumplió lo Joel 2

Hechos 2

La venida del Espíritu Santo

[SUP]1[/SUP] Cuando llegó el día de Pentecostés, estaban todos unánimes juntos. [SUP]2[/SUP] Y de repente vino del cielo un estruendo como de un viento recio que soplaba, el cual llenó toda la casa donde estaban sentados;
[SUP]3[/SUP] y se les aparecieron lenguas repartidas, como de fuego, asentándose sobre cada uno de ellos.

[SUP]4[/SUP] Y fueron todos llenos del Espíritu Santo, y comenzaron a hablar en otras lenguas, según el Espíritu les daba que hablasen.


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Mis bendiciones.
 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

Parece ser que Mateo se escribió en arameo:

Fecha, idioma y lugar: Mateo escribió su evangelio en su forma primitiva hacia los años 60-70 y su redacción definitiva se hizo hacia el año 80, probablemente por un discípulo. El idioma empleado fue el arameo, la lengua utilizada por los judíos que vivían en Palestina. Se piensa que probablemente fue escrito en Siria, donde había mayor número de judíos cristianizados.

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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> Ya buscamos y si se escribió en arameo pero no quedaron copias sino que las que se conocen son las traducidas al hebreo que es la que se ha encontrado en manos judías porque siempre se dijo o se cree que estaba dirigida a ellos porque fue traducida al hebreo y luego esta la que tiene el Vaticano y en algunas le falta "del Padre, y del Hijo, y del Espíritu Santo" pero es común el error en copistas de olvidarse frases .
Los teólogos dicen que de ninguna manera dice bautizarse en tres nombres sino en el nombre del Padre, del Hijo , del E.S. como está escrito dando a entender la unicidad de Dios en tres manifestaciones divinas y no solo eso sino que no se rompe con lo de "no hay Dios fuera de mí" porque tanto Jesús como los apóstoles escribieron que Jesús provenía del "seno" del Padre y es la misma palabra usada para el "seno" de Abraham y que los testigos de Jehová en su maldad de contradecir la Palabra de Dios dicen que es regazo pero no en esta traducción ya que es un sinónimo no frecuente porque la raíz de la palabra es bahía o golfo y también fue ligada a la matriz de la mujer y no solo eso sino que Jesús decía que eran uno con el Padre y seriamos uno con él con el Espíritu Santo .
Mis bendiciones.
 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> Todos estos versículos demuestran la deidad de Jesucristo.

Colosenses 2:9
Porque en él habita corporalmente toda la plenitud de la Deidad,

1 Timoteo 3:16
E indiscutiblemente, grande es el misterio de la piedad: Dios fue manifestado en carne, Justificado en el Espíritu, Visto de los ángeles, Predicado a los gentiles, Creído en el mundo, Recibido arriba en gloria.

Tito 2.
13 aguardando la esperanza bienaventurada y la manifestación gloriosa de nuestro gran Dios y Salvador Jesucristo,
Juan 1:1
[ El Verbo hecho carne ] En el principio era el Verbo, y el Verbo era con Dios, y el Verbo era Dios.
Juan 1:14
Y aquel Verbo fue hecho carne, y habitó entre nosotros (y vimos su gloria, gloria como del unigénito del Padre), lleno de gracia y de verdad.
1 Juan 5:7
Porque tres son los que dan testimonio en el cielo: el Padre, el Verbo y el Espíritu Santo; y estos tres son uno.
Hebreos 1
[SUP]8[/SUP] Mas del Hijo dice:
Tu trono, oh Dios
, por el siglo del siglo;
Cetro de equidad es el cetro de tu reino.

Juan 20:28
Entonces Tomás respondió y le dijo: !!Señor mío, y Dios mío!
Mateo 1:23
He aquí, una virgen concebirá y dará a luz un hijo, Y llamarás su nombre Emanuel, m que traducido es: Dios con nosotros.

Marcos 12:36
Porque el mismo David dijo por el Espíritu Santo: Dijo el Señor a mi Señor: Siéntate a mi diestra, Hasta que ponga tus enemigos por estrado de tus pies.

Seguramente hay más pero estos son los que recuerdo para volver al tema de la deidad de Jesucristo .


Mis bendiciones.
 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

Ya buscamos y si se escribió en arameo pero no quedaron copias sino que las que se conocen son las traducidas al hebreo que es la que se ha encontrado en manos judías porque siempre se dijo o se cree que estaba dirigida a ellos porque fue traducida al hebreo y luego esta la que tiene el Vaticano y en algunas le falta "del Padre, y del Hijo, y del Espíritu Santo" pero es común el error en copistas de olvidarse frases .
Los teólogos dicen que de ninguna manera dice bautizarse en tres nombres sino en el nombre del Padre, del Hijo , del E.S. como está escrito dando a entender la unicidad de Dios en tres manifestaciones divinas y no solo eso sino que no se rompe con lo de "no hay Dios fuera de mí" porque tanto Jesús como los apóstoles escribieron que Jesús provenía del "seno" del Padre y es la misma palabra usada para el "seno" de Abraham y que los testigos de Jehová en su maldad de contradecir la Palabra de Dios dicen que es regazo pero no en esta traducción ya que es un sinónimo no frecuente porque la raíz de la palabra es bahía o golfo y también fue ligada a la matriz de la mujer y no solo eso sino que Jesús decía que eran uno con el Padre y seriamos uno con él con el Espíritu Santo .
Mis bendiciones.

y en algunas le falta "del Padre, y del Hijo, y del Espíritu Santo" pero es común el error en copistas de olvidarse frases.

Cada uno puede pensar lo que quiera, pero mi intuición me dice que no fue un despiste de copistas, precisamente porque los copistas fueron los que añadieron 1 Juan 5:7, por tanto, veo más real el añadir texto para respaldar alguna doctrina que la del olvido de una frase, puesto que se repasaban varias veces las copias.

Saludos.
 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

Esa el la base de donde se tomo para formar la trinidad el LATIN

En el judaismo, DIOS es UNO.
Corrección.
El Eterno es Uno.
Además lo declara la Escritura.
Fuera de todo "ísmo", el Eterno es Uno, Único, indivisible, sin dioses subsidiarios, sin partes mortales o caducibles, sin par ni contrario.
 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

Corrección.
El Eterno es Uno.
Además lo declara la Escritura.
Fuera de todo "ísmo", el Eterno es Uno, Único, indivisible, sin dioses subsidiarios, sin partes mortales o caducibles, sin par ni contrario.


Por eso Jesucristo viene del "seno" del Padre.
 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

Bendiciones Sergio

¿Como anda el Independiente?...me desconocte completamente... pronto me actualizo.

MI equipo, un desastre, creo que este año No ganamos ni la copa de LECHE

Con respecto al debate, te recuerdo que el nombre del epigrafe se llama LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO... Lamentablemente muto a la Trinidad, aunque entiendo que era inebitable...

No hay problema, LA DEIDAD no se discute, PERO desde que punto comenzamos a compartir de la DEIDAD.

pero ojala logremos regresar al titulo original, si se puede, y si no, pues con gusto charlamos en lo que entendemos por "La Santa Trinidad".

Mientras sigan comentando de la trinidad, SEGUIREMOS compartiendo lo que la escritura NOS SUGIERE.

Pero con este tema, si quisiera que quedara claro mi punto de vista
Ya que hay, en la historia sangrada, hombres de Dios que han dividido su postura, yo al menos no me confundo...


YO tampoco


porque lo que es necesario para nuestra salvación está suficientemente claro gracias a Dios

AMEN

La doctrina de la Trinidad tiene sus raíces en la Biblia y la Iglesia postapostólica la aceptó.... (inclusive antes de Nicea, siglo II y III)

LOS CONCILIOS, llevaron agua para su molino……

Nadie ha negado que haya tenido un desarrollo para para su formulaciónmas clara... eso tal vez los confunda

A MI NO me confunde, Ni me instruye lo que los Concilios, escribieron, van contra la escritura

Pero para eso estamos aqui, ahora bien, yo tampoco tengo problemas con argumentar sobre la Deidad de Cristo, pero no se que postura tienes al respecto.

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NO ME DIJISTES SI TENES ESWORD, y que versión. Yo uso esta:
E-Sword Version. 9.8.3.

Te puedo pasar esa biblia que te comente por mail, o bien, veo si la puedo pegar en el FORO, para todos


Bendiciones
 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

en Hechos 2 se cumplió lo Joel 2

Hechos 2

La venida del Espíritu Santo

[SUP]1[/SUP] Cuando llegó el día de Pentecostés, estaban todos unánimes juntos. [SUP]2[/SUP] Y de repente vino del cielo un estruendo como de un viento recio que soplaba, el cual llenó toda la casa donde estaban sentados;
[SUP]3[/SUP] y se les aparecieron lenguas repartidas, como de fuego, asentándose sobre cada uno de ellos.

[SUP]4[/SUP] Y fueron todos llenos del Espíritu Santo, y comenzaron a hablar en otras lenguas, según el Espíritu les daba que hablasen.


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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> Hoy en más tranquilo ya que el bautismo se hace por imposición de manos de una persona que ya está bautizada a una persona que no lo está y es por orden directa de Dios , con voz audible a través de nuestra mente .


Mis bendiciones.

Mi estimado, si toma un par de versos aislados, , ud, mismo se construye una predica


Hch 2:1 La Festividad de Shavuot completamente llegó (por la cuenta del omer), y todos los creyentes se reunieron en un lugar.
Hch 2:2 De repente vino un estruendo del cielo como el rugido de un viento violento, y llenó toda la casa donde estaban sentados.
Hch 2:3 Entonces vieron lo que lucía como llamas de fuego que se separaban, y se posaron sobre cada uno de ellos.
Hch 2:4 Todos fueron llenos del Ruaj HaKodesh, y comenzaron a hablar en diferentes lenguas, según el Ruaj les habilitaba para expresarse.
Hch 2:5 Ahora bien, en Yerushalayim se estaban quedando Judíos, hombres devotos, de todas las naciones bajo el cielo.
Hch 2:6 Cuando oyeron este estruendo, una multitud se aglomeró; y quedaron confundidos, porque cada uno oyó a los creyentes hablar en su propio idioma.
Hch 2:7 Totalmente sorprendidos, preguntaron: "¿Cómo es esto posible? ¿No son todos estos, los que están hablando, de Galilea?
Hch 2:8 ¿Cómo es que oímos hablar en nuestras lenguas nativas?
Hch 2:9 ¡Nosotros somos partos, medos, elamitas; residentes de Mesopotamia, Yahudáh, Capadocia, Ponto, Asia,
Hch 2:10 Frigia, Panfilia, Mitzrayim, partes de Libia cerca de Cirene; visitantes de Roma;
Hch 2:11 ¡Judíos de nacimiento y prosélitos; Judíos cretenses y árabes...! ¿Cómo es que oímos que hablan en nuestros propios idiomas acerca de las grandes cosas que Elohim ha hecho?"
Hch 2:12 Atónitos y confundidos, todos se preguntaban: "¿Qué querrá decir esto?"
Hch 2:13 Pero otros se burlaban de ellos, diciendo: "¡Han bebido mucho vino!"
Hch 2:14 Entonces Kefa se levantó con los Once y alzó su voz para dirigirse a ellos: "¡Ustedes Yahudim, y todos los que se están quedando en Yerushalayim! ¡Dejen que les diga lo que esto significa! ¡Escuchen con mucho cuidado!
Hch 2:15 "Estas personas no están borrachas, como ustedes suponen; sólo son las nueve de la mañana.............
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Hch 2:38 Kefa les respondió: "¡Vuélvanse de sus pecados [teshuvah], regresen a YAHWEH, y sea cada uno de ustedes sumergido en la autoridad de Yehshúa Ha Mashíaj para perdón de sus pecados; y recibirán el don del Ruaj HaKodesh!
Hch 2:39 ¡Porque la promesa es para ustedes, para sus hijos, para aquellos lejos, y para cuantos como YAHWEH nuestro Elohim llame!"

Hch 2:40 El expuso su caso con muchos otros argumentos y se mantenía suplicándoles: "¡Sálvense de esta generación perversa!"
Generacion que abandono la tora, y se dedico a ESCRITUOS que el ETERNO, NO les dio
Hch 2:41 Por tanto, aquellos que aceptaron lo que él dijo, fueron sumergidos, y aquel día fueron añadidos al grupo alrededor de tres mil personas.