LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

¡Hola!

Hermano Fernando... no te apures... son argumentos que se pueden debatir

De hecho, son los de siempre jejeje... los sabelianos asi son... no traen nada nuevo...

Su maestro Praxeas les dejo truncada su enseñanza... se tienen que tomar de cualquier cosas para continuarla

Paz de Cristo

Yo tengo una pequeña ventaja con respecto a muchos bufones diosólogos y respetables teólogos del foro: no estoy influenciado por ideas y conceptos de ningún estudioso bíblico de ayer y hoy, por lo cual no tengo "paquetes prefabricados" de ideas a refutar. La única cosa que me respalda en todo debate, es esta fe que Dios ha puesto en mi corazón. Siempre que deba hacerlo, usaré solamente las Escrituras como mi única fuente de estudio teológico porque tú y yo sabemos que esta palabra profética nos ayuda a andar con luz en las tinieblas.

Tocante a la deidad de Cristo, una cosa me ha quedado bien clara, y eso es algo que no se puede cambiar:

"YO SOY EL QUE SOY".

"Yo y el Padre UNO somos".

"...Dios es ESPÍRITU, y donde está el Espíritu de Dios, ahí hay libertdad".

Las implicaciones podrían sugerir la trinidad (sin dejar Dios de ser UNO, y no debería ser inapropiado decir eso. Para casos prácticos, también podría decirse que soy "trinitario bíblico", y sé que lo que acabo de decir levantará cejas y causará revuelo. No me importa. Con saber que Cristo es MI SEÑOR, que lo demás ruede.

Dios te guarde.
 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

SALUDOS

UNA MEJOR traduccion es ESTA, y la explico.

(TKIM-DE) Por lo tanto, vayan a hacer talmidim a gente de todas las naciones, dándoles la inmersión en mi Nombre.

Puesto que en Su Nombre está el Nombre de ABBA, pues es YAHWEH Salva, esta es la lectura correcta.


(ECR) Id con urgencia y hacedme tantos talmidim como podáis entre todas las naciones."*
[* El texto hebraico termina aquí.]

Eusebio
en el cuarto siglo que dice: "y aseguraos que sean sumergidos en agua en mi nombre". El hecho que todos los casos que presentan inmersiones en agua en Crónicas de los Apóstoles nunca usan la fórmula bautismal "En el nombre del Padre y del Hijo y del Espíritu Santo", sino solamente, "en el nombre de Yeshua", es decir, por su autoridad, indica que el texto hebraico no conoció de tal fórmula, pues de lo contrario, ¿cómo se hubiesen atrevido los apóstoles a desobedecer las instrucciones del Mashiaj?
En cada documentación histórica sobre el particular, solamente se usa el nombre de Yeshua como la fuente de la autoridad sobre la que se imparte la purificación en agua a los que regresaban a la fe hebrea o a los gentiles que hacía su conversión.

Lea Hechos 2:38; 8:16; 10:48; 19:5.

Por su parte, el uso del singular que hace Pablo del término en 1 Corintios 1:13 revela la costumbre de hacerlo en armonía con Crónicas de los Apóstoles.



El Nuevo Evangelio se escribió en hebreo.


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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> bautizándolos en el nombre del Padre , Hijo y Santo Espíritu es la verdad .

Padre πατήρ ,

Hijo υός

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Santo γιος Espíritu πνευ̂μα



 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> Saludos

A modo de comentario, cuando debatas NO encasilles a las personas que piensan distinto de vos, poniendole títulos como le pones, sabelianos, etc.. es despectivo
Pues gracias por el consejo... lo que pasa es que venimos arrastrando un largo debate con ellos y asi nos llevamos... porque ellos tambien comentan cosas

Pero Sergio ¿No eres tu quien le dice a los Catolico-Romanos sectarios e idolatras?

Ya vez, cualquiera puede caer en ese despectivismo.


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Cada ves hay menos foristas, pero no es mala la comparación

Ok.

Bien aquí habla de dos que son UNO, No son >TRES

Si, pero si lees bien, el post no esta encaminado a argumentar sobre la Trinidad, si no sobre la Unidad Compuesta... y esto derrumba al monotesismo agnostico.



NO vas a comparar LO ESPIRITUAL, CON LO CARNAL…?

Para nada


Esta traducción es pésima, con respecto a la transliteracion, pero seguimos


Puedes traer la que quieras... y sobre ella debatimos los mismos puntos

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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> Bien aquí habla de un pueblo, que es UNO. Hasta aquí NO entiendo que es lo que estas buscando, para definir la trinidad..?

Pues lo describo arriba... derrumbar el monotesimo agnostico

otra traducción erronea

Deu 6:4
Sh'ma, Yisra'el! יהוה Eloheinu, יהוה ejad
¡Escucha, Yisra'el! YAHWEH nuestro Elohim, YAHWEH uno es


¿De donde sacas esa traduccion?



Ok... aunque para nada profundisate
 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

¿El Nuevo Evangelio se escribió en hebreo?.


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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> bautizándolos en el nombre del Padre , Hijo y Santo Espíritu es la verdad .

Padre πατήρ ,

Hijo υός

y
Santo γιος Espíritu πνευ̂μα



 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

El Nuevo Evangelio se escribió en hebreo.

Amigo esto es GRIEGO, hasta en la LUNA.......................


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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> bautizándolos en el nombre del Padre , Hijo y Santo Espíritu es la verdad .

Padre πατήρ ,

Hijo υός

y
Santo γιος Espíritu πνευ̂μα


DATOS EXTRAESCRITURALES QUE CONFIRMAN QUE LOS MANUSCRITOS
ORIGINALES DEL BRIT HADASHA, FUERON ESCRITOS EN HEBREO:

El Obispo Papias dijo:

“Mateo escribió las palabras del Señor en el idioma hebreo, y otros lo ha traducido
lo mejor que han podido”

Ireneo:

“Mateo, produjo su evangelio escrito entre los hebreos en su propio idioma”

Eusebio

(Haciendo alusión a los escritos de Clemente de Alejandría) dijo:
“En la obra Hipotyposes, Clemente de Alejandría hizo una lista de los escritos canónicos, donde asegura que la carta a los Hebreos fue escrita por Pablo en lengua hebrea, pero que fue cuidadosamente traducida por Lucas y publicada en lengua griega”

Orígenes:
“El primer evangelio fue escrito en hebreo, por Mateo para aquellos que vinieron a la fe del judaísmo”

Jerónimo:

“Mateo, quien también es Levi; ...produjo el evangelio en Judea y varias cartas en lenguaje hebreo....el evangelio mismo en hebreo se conserva hasta hoy en la Biblioteca de Cesárea, que el martir Panfilo formo con mucho empeño. También a mi los Nazarenos que viven en Berea, ciudad de Siria, y que se sirven de este libro; me proporcionaron ocasión de copiarlo.....En el cual es de notar que siempre que el evangelista; ya por cuenta propia; ya poniéndolo en la boca del Salvador; aduce testimonios del Antiguo Pacto, no sigue la interpretación de los Setentas sino la
antigua hebraica”

Epifanio:
“Esta en poder de ellos (los Nazarenos) el evangelio de Mateo completísimo y en hebreo. Pues entre ellos se conserva sin duda, todavía éste, tal y como fue compuesto originalmente en caracteres hebreos”

Eusebio:
“Mateo también, cuando hubo proclamado el evangelio en hebreo...”


No creo que ud. puede ser mas SABIO, que ELLOS. ese VERSO ESTA AGREGADO.-
 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

Pues gracias por el consejo... lo que pasa es que venimos arrastrando un largo debate con ellos y asi nos llevamos... porque ellos tambien comentan cosas

Pero Sergio ¿No eres tu quien le dice a los Catolico-Romanos sectarios e idolatras?

Ya vez, cualquiera puede caer en ese despectivismo.




Ok.



Si, pero si lees bien, el post no esta encaminado a argumentar sobre la Trinidad, si no sobre la Unidad Compuesta... y esto derrumba al monotesismo agnostico.





Para nada





Puedes traer la que quieras... y sobre ella debatimos los mismos puntos



Pues lo describo arriba... derrumbar el monotesimo agnostico




¿De donde sacas esa traduccion?




Ok... aunque para nada profundisate

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no daba para otra cosa

Pero no debates nada.... y ese verbo esta claramente establecido en Jueces 20: (como UN solo hombre), Sofonias 3:9 (UN mismo yugo), etc..

Como te dije, este verbo no implica UNIDAD ABSOLUTA, si no que puede referirse a UNIDAD COMPUESTA.

Este es el hecho llamativo... y entiendo que no lo quieras ver asi... pero sin embargo no lo puedes negar....

Ahora, pues espero que traigas tus traducciones a dicho verbo
 
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Alli hablamos de secta, NO de personas

Pues los Sabelianos y Monotesitas ya fueron combatidos en algunos Concilios... y para los Catolicos les es permitido llamarles "sectarios".

Yo por lo pronto te digo, que nunca he hecho eso... ya que para mi, la mejor manera de conocer a Dios es a través de la Trinidad, pero Dios me libre de decirle a alguien de ellos "herejes"...

Aunque no comparta para nada sus creencias en cuanto al Verbo Eterno




Traducción Kadosh Israelita Mesiánica DE ESTUDIO, si quieres te la paso.-

Si..por favor, pasame el link
 
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Pues los Sabelianos y Monotesitas ya fueron combatidos en algunos Concilios... y para los Catolicos les es permitido llamarles "sectarios".

Mi amigo, TODAS, son sectas para el JUDAIZMO, incluidos los nazarenos de donde provenia YESHUA.-




Yo por lo pronto te digo, que nunca he hecho eso... ya que para mi, la mejor manera de conocer a Dios es a través de la Trinidad, pero Dios me libre de decirle a alguien de ellos "herejes"...

Mi amigo la trinidad, NO se ESPECIFICA en EL NT, y MENOS en AT.

Aunque no comparta para nada sus creencias en cuanto al Verbo Eterno

Mi amigo, en los escritos ravinicos, se trata el tema del verbo/menra, y te sorprenderia.


Si..por favor, pasame el link

1 - No hay link para ella
2 - Tienes e-sword, y si la tienes que version es..?
 
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Hola Sergio

Entiendo... mira, ya que entras al debate, y quieres hacerlo en el Antiguo Testamento, tal vez tu si puedas refutarme este post, que ni lo han hecho los Monotesitas Agnosticos, ni los Modalistas Sabelianos Unicitarios.

¿Lo quieres hacer tu?

Puedes usar el hebreo, si quieres

Cuando hablamos de unidad lo hacemos en dos líneas: Unidad simple y unidad compuesta....

La Unidad Simple, es aquella que se ve y cuenta...Es decir, ahorita hay al rededor de 1000 foristas viendo en la pagina....estos se pueden contar individualmente.

La Unidad compuesta la entendemos con estos pasajes:

Génesis
2:24
Por tanto, dejará el hombre a su padre y a su madre, y se unirá a su mujer, y serán una sola carne.

`al-kên ya`azâbh-'iysh 'eth-'âbhiyvve'eth-'immo vedhâbhaq be'ishto vehâyu lebhâsâr 'echâdh


Aunque son dos personas diferentes, el hecho de juntarse íntimamente les da una clara unidad


Génesis
11:6
Y dijo Jehová: He aquí el pueblo es uno, y todos éstos tienen un solo lenguaje; y han comenzado la obra, y nada les hará desistir ahora de lo que han pensado hacer.

vayyo'merAdonay hên `am 'echâdh vesâphâh 'achath lekhullâm vezeh hachillâmla`asoth ve`attâh lo'-yibbâtsêr mêhem kol 'asher yâzmu la`asoth


Aquí es obvio que el pueblo es una gran multitud, pero todos obraron juntos, en uno


En estos textos la palabra UNO, viene del hebreo 'echâdh, que tiene el sentido de una unidad compuesta...y que creen...Es la misma palabra que se usa aquí:

Deuteronomio
6:4 Oye, Israel: Jehová nuestro Dios, Jehová uno es.

shema` yisrâ'êlAdonay 'elohêynu Adonay 'echâdh



Por tanto la unicidad de Dios... es una unidad Compuesta

Espero tu respuesta...


Si me permites te dire que no hay que refutar, lo que falta es que tienes que percibir bien lo que escribes. Eso de aplicar el concepto de unidad compuesta para Dios es entendimiento tuyo.
No existe en la Biblia un solo texto que diga que Dios es una unidad compuesta, los trinitarios han inventado este concepto para Dios por que lo conciben tres en uno pero el texto de Deuteronomio que citas dice CLARAMENTE Jehová nuestro Dios, Jehová uno es, ¿Notas? no dice tres en uno es, o el y su hijo y su espiritu uno son. Jehová de ningún modo es un Dios ambigüo, de su enseñanza aprendió Jesús a quien se le llamaba maestro, por tanto no enseñó ni inspiró conceptos ambigüos o difíciles de comprender, mucho menos si de ello depende la adoración que le rendimos.
 
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El Nuevo Evangelio se escribió en hebreo.


ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 28
[SUP]19[/SUP]πορευθεντες ουν μαθητευσατε παντα τα εθνη βαπτιζοντες αυτους εις το ονομα του πατρος και του υιου και του αγιου πνευματος


bautizándolos en el nombre del Padre , Hijo y Santo Espíritu es la verdad .

Padre πατήρ ,

Hijo υός

y
Santo γιος Espíritu πνευ̂μα

En que quedamos, los originales se escribieron en hebreo, en arameo o en griego.
 
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En que quedamos, los originales se escribieron en hebreo, en arameo o en griego.

Estan escritos en HEBREO y ARAMEO.

1 - Entra en www.PESSHITA.org
2 - Elige INTERLINEAL NT
3 - MATTAI Ch. 28, deja que carge el PDF
4 - te diriges al final, y veras que los versiculos 18 (parte de el) , 19 completo y 20, estan escritos en ROJO, lo cual es un agregado al texto original

INTERPOLADO .-
 
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En que quedamos, los originales se escribieron en hebreo, en arameo o en griego.

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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> En hebreo el Antiguo Testamento

En griego el Nuevo Testamento.
 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

Estan escritos en HEBREO y ARAMEO.

1 - Entra en www.PESSHITA.org
2 - Elige INTERLINEAL NT
3 - MATTAI Ch. 28, deja que carge el PDF
4 - te diriges al final, y veras que los versiculos 18 (parte de el) , 19 completo y 20, estan escritos en ROJO, lo cual es un agregado al texto original

INTERPOLADO .-

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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]-->Poner en duda la deidad del Señor Jesucristo no es posible con un solo versículo Biblico con la versión traducida de la Biblia Peshitta que si estudian un poco le faltan muchos libros del Nuevo Testamento .
 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]-->Poner en duda la deidad del Señor Jesucristo no es posible con un solo versículo Biblico con la versión traducida de la Biblia Peshitta que si estudian un poco le faltan muchos libros del Nuevo Testamento .

Lo lamento por ud. NO tiene dentro de la escritura NINGUN versiculo para su trinidad

(TKIM-DE) Por lo tanto, vayan a hacer talmidim a gente de todas las naciones, dándoles la inmersión en mi Nombre.

Puesto que en Su Nombre está el Nombre de ABBA, pues es YAHWEH Salva, esta es la lectura correcta.


(ECR) Id con urgencia y hacedme tantos talmidim como podáis entre todas las naciones."*
[* El texto hebraico termina aquí.]

Eusebio
en el cuarto siglo que dice: "y aseguraos que sean sumergidos en agua en mi nombre". El hecho que todos los casos que presentan inmersiones en agua en Crónicas de los Apóstoles nunca usan la fórmula bautismal "En el nombre del Padre y del Hijo y del Espíritu Santo", sino solamente, "en el nombre de Yeshua", es decir, por su autoridad, indica que el texto hebraico no conoció de tal fórmula, pues de lo contrario, ¿cómo se hubiesen atrevido los apóstoles a desobedecer las instrucciones del Mashiaj?
En cada documentación histórica sobre el particular, solamente se usa el nombre de Yeshua como la fuente de la autoridad sobre la que se imparte la purificación en agua a los que regresaban a la fe hebrea o a los gentiles que hacía su conversión.

Lea Hechos 2:38; 8:16; 10:48; 19:5.

Por su parte, el uso del singular que hace Pablo del término en 1 Corintios 1:13 revela la costumbre de hacerlo en armonía con Crónicas de los Apóstoles.

1Co 1:13 ¿Ha sido el Mashíaj cortado en pedazos? ¿Fue Shaúl el que fue entregado a morir en la estaca de ejecución por ustedes? ¿Fueron sumergidos (BAUTIZADOS) en el nombre de Shaúl?

La escritura habla, UD. NO debe rechazarla. deje que la escritura lo guie a lo que ELLA sugiere, y enseña.
 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

Lo lamento por ud. NO tiene dentro de la escritura NINGUN versiculo para su trinidad

(TKIM-DE) Por lo tanto, vayan a hacer talmidim a gente de todas las naciones, dándoles la inmersión en mi Nombre.

Puesto que en Su Nombre está el Nombre de ABBA, pues es YAHWEH Salva, esta es la lectura correcta.


(ECR) Id con urgencia y hacedme tantos talmidim como podáis entre todas las naciones."*
[* El texto hebraico termina aquí.]

Eusebio
en el cuarto siglo que dice: "y aseguraos que sean sumergidos en agua en mi nombre". El hecho que todos los casos que presentan inmersiones en agua en Crónicas de los Apóstoles nunca usan la fórmula bautismal "En el nombre del Padre y del Hijo y del Espíritu Santo", sino solamente, "en el nombre de Yeshua", es decir, por su autoridad, indica que el texto hebraico no conoció de tal fórmula, pues de lo contrario, ¿cómo se hubiesen atrevido los apóstoles a desobedecer las instrucciones del Mashiaj?
En cada documentación histórica sobre el particular, solamente se usa el nombre de Yeshua como la fuente de la autoridad sobre la que se imparte la purificación en agua a los que regresaban a la fe hebrea o a los gentiles que hacía su conversión.

Lea Hechos 2:38; 8:16; 10:48; 19:5.

Por su parte, el uso del singular que hace Pablo del término en 1 Corintios 1:13 revela la costumbre de hacerlo en armonía con Crónicas de los Apóstoles.

1Co 1:13 ¿Ha sido el Mashíaj cortado en pedazos? ¿Fue Shaúl el que fue entregado a morir en la estaca de ejecución por ustedes? ¿Fueron sumergidos (BAUTIZADOS) en el nombre de Shaúl?

La escritura habla, UD. NO debe rechazarla. deje que la escritura lo guie a lo que ELLA sugiere, y enseña.


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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> La verdad que solo usted se debe entender mezclando palabras en español y en hebreo, esto es un foro en español y los evangelios fueron escritos en griego y no sé de lo que habla y negar la trinidad o mal llamada trinidad de un Dios manifestándose en tres personas divinas es tapar el sol con las manos .
La Biblia Peshitta es un traducción en arameo de recopilación de varios libros del Antiguo y Nuevo Testamento del hebreos y del griego que no coincide con todos los libros (66) que hoy tenemos.

Mi estimado, el libro de mateo fue escrito en HEBREO y ARAMEO, que ud. los ignore, y no pueda leerlos, no es MI problema.
Ud. podra ver tres personas, donde NO las hay, NO puedo hacer nada por UD.

SI ud leyera cuando se bautizo el señor jesucristo y prestara atencion a lo que le copio, su corazon se le saldria del pecho.

(TKIM-DE) Por lo tanto, vayan a hacer talmidim a gente de todas las naciones, dándoles la inmersión en mi Nombre.

Puesto que en Su Nombre está el Nombre de ABBA, pues es YAHWEH Salva, esta es la lectura correcta.

Su problema, y se lo digo con todo respeto, es que no presta atencion a este versiculo, ALLI se manifiesta MAS que UNA deidad.

meditelo.
 
Re: LA DEIDAD DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO

Mi estimado, el libro de mateo fue escrito en HEBREO y ARAMEO, que ud. los ignore, y no pueda leerlos, no es MI problema.
Ud. podra ver tres personas, donde NO las hay, NO puedo hacer nada por UD.

SI ud leyera cuando se bautizo el señor jesucristo y prestara atencion a lo que le copio, su corazon se le saldria del pecho.

(TKIM-DE) Por lo tanto, vayan a hacer talmidim a gente de todas las naciones, dándoles la inmersión en mi Nombre.

Puesto que en Su Nombre está el Nombre de ABBA, pues es YAHWEH Salva, esta es la lectura correcta.

Su problema, y se lo digo con todo respeto, es que no presta atencion a este versiculo, ALLI se manifiesta MAS que UNA deidad.

meditelo.


¡¡¡Correcto!!! eso lo podemos ver en todo el libro de los Hechos de los Apóstoles( Surgimiento e historia de la iglesia de Jesús por medio del Espíritu Santo) que los nuevos convertidos´los que eran añadidos al cuerpo de Cristo lo hacían invocando el "NOMBRE" de aquel con quien se estaban identificando.

YAHSHUA = Que es traducido "Jesús" es un nombre compuesto por:

YAH = forma corta poética de YAHWEH "YHWH"

SHUA= Forma corta de YaHSHUA Que traducido es SALVACIÓN

YAHSHUA = YAHWEH es nuestra Salvación. Que traducido es Jehová o Yahvé es nuestra Salvación.

Saludos amado en el nombre de Jesús.