es el diezmo del nuevo pacto o del antiguo pacto?

Re: es el diezmo del nuevo pacto o del antiguo pacto?

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Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> No hay ninguna conexión entre el AT y el NT con respecto al diezmo. La casa del Señor es su iglesia, no una corporación humana. Donde debe haber alimento, es en las casas de los miembros de esa iglesia. Los miembros que pertenecen a congragaciones locales, son moralmente responsables por la manutención del que los instruye en la palabra, y por los gastos de operación de su congregación; pero esto se hace según lo que cada individuo pueda aportar, no mediante un abusivo impuesto a sus entradas.
No tiene porqué haberla...

El diezmo del NT no viene del AT, viene de antes, ..de Abraham... El diezmo de Abraham "SE SALTA" el AT, para llegar hasta el cristianismo... El dar voluntariamente

Saludos
 
Re: es el diezmo del nuevo pacto o del antiguo pacto?

lo mismo hizo Jacob

dALE SEGUID con lo mismo hostias a lindo avatar ejej se ve bien el gato , dale ya esta dicho hasta la saciedad que el diezmo sea del nuevo o del viejo es para los bolsillos , del cura , del pastor del rabino , etc
 
Re: es el diezmo del nuevo pacto o del antiguo pacto?

ABraham no le dió a Melquisedec, tomates, lechugas, ovejas y papas...

Los reyes al mando de Chedorlaomer no fueron a pelear a tomatazos con sus enemigos...

Usted quiere meter a toda costa a los cristianos en el diezmo de Levi... y eso no ha sido ni antes ni ahora para los cristianos... nosotros venimos de Abraham, y por tanto, nos saltamos la Ley. Dios no le pidió el diezmo a Abraham ni le exigió animales o verduras.

Abraham lo dió voluntariamente... y no lo dió bajo parámetros de una Ley que vino cuatrocientos años después.


Saludos


Dagoberto,

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mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> Abraham le dio el diezmo a Melquicedec porque eso era costumbre de aquellos días, y le dio del botín de guerra, no de las ganancias de sus negocios.
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<sup>[FONT=&quot]18[/FONT]</sup>[FONT=&quot]Entonces Melquisedec,[/FONT] rey de Salem y sacerdote del Dios Altísimo, sacó pan y vino;<sup>[FONT=&quot] 19[/FONT]</sup>[FONT=&quot]y le bendijo, diciendo: Bendito sea Abram del Dios Altísimo, creador de los cielos y de la tierra;[/FONT]<sup>[FONT=&quot] 20[/FONT]</sup>[FONT=&quot]y bendito sea el Dios Altísimo, que entregó tus enemigos en tu mano. Y le dio Abram los diezmos de todo.[/FONT] (gen. 14:18)<o:p></o:p>
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El sueldo de los santos, no es un botín de guerra, seguramente tienen que sudarlo de una forma u otra. Los que les pillan el diez por ciento de las entradas en dinero a los santos, los están estafando, sea por ignorancia o intencionalmente. Están haciendo del diez por ciento de las entradas de los creyentes un verdadero botín. <o:p></o:p>
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Abraham antes del encuentro con Melquicedec era riquísimo, sin embargo, de aquella riqueza no le dio ni un centavo. La acción de Abraham fue una sola, y lo que hizo fue siguiendo la costumbre, no por mandato de Dios y mucho menos para crear un precedente. [FONT=&quot]<o:p></o:p>[/FONT]
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A los cristiano no hay que meterlos en ningún diezmo, los cristianos son guiados por el Espíritu hasta en eso de dar y recibir; los cristianos tienen un cuerpo de enseñanzas, y en los libros que forman la doctrina cristiana, se ha hablado de dar y recibir en varias ocasiones.
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¿Quién te dijo que los cristianos debemos dar el diez por ciento de nuestros ingresos a un líder religioso?
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Los creyentes deben proveer de toda cosa buena al que lo instruye; pero según sus fuerzas, no pagando un impuesto abusivo del diez por ciento de sus entradas en dinero. Ese abuso nunca lo cometió Dios.
 
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Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> No hay ninguna conexión entre el AT y el NT con respecto al diezmo. La casa del Señor es su iglesia, no una corporación humana. Donde debe haber alimento, es en las casas de los miembros de esa iglesia. Los miembros que pertenecen a congragaciones locales, son moralmente responsables por la manutención del que los instruye en la palabra, y por los gastos de operación de su congregación; pero esto se hace según lo que cada individuo pueda aportar, no mediante un abusivo impuesto a sus entradas.

Leal

Claro que hay conexion y continuidad entre el antiguo y nuevo testamente, la iglesia como tu le llamas salio del contexto judio.

Ahora lo ves como algo totalmente desconectado pero nuestras raices son judias.

La biblia es judia, escrita en su mayoria por judios.

en el libro de Hechos, podemos ver que todo siguio igual hasta que hubo una separacion definitiva en el segundo y tercer siglo.

Act 2:39 Porque para vosotros es la promesa, y para vuestros hijos, y para todos los que están lejos; para cuantos el Señor nuestro Dios llamare.

el mismo Pedro reclama que la promesa o nuevo pacto es para los israelitas y para sus hijos...y para todo el que crea...no esta hablando de un pueblo nuevo con todo nuevo..para nada..hay continuidad.

Act 2:46 Y perseverando unánimes cada día en el templo, y partiendo el pan en las casas, comían juntos con alegría y sencillez de corazón,

a que templo se refiere?

Act 2:47 alabando a Dios, y teniendo favor con todo el pueblo. Y el Señor añadía cada día a la iglesia los que habían de ser salvos.

cual iglesia? metodista, bautista, presbiterina, pentecostes, no-denominacional...cual iglesia?

todo siguio igual....incluyendo el diezmo...y este silencio te dice volumenes
 
Re: es el diezmo del nuevo pacto o del antiguo pacto?

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</style><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Tabla normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-qformat:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; mso-para-margin-top:0cm; mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> Yo no creo en el diezmo, el diezmo es una farsa, considero lo que se deben hacer ó lo que existe son contribuciones ó donaciones, pero creer que tengo que dar un porcentaje de mi dinero es herrado.

Cuentan un chiste: dicen que en una iglesia quien oficiaba pedía el diezmo y decía: con este dinero hago lo siguiente "Lanzo hacia riba el dinero el que Dios agarra es de él, pero el que cae en el suelo es mío".

Apoyo la opinión de MAGAOSCURA y agrego EL DINERO ES LO PEROR QUE SE PUDO HABER CREADO.<o:p></o:p>
 
Re: es el diezmo del nuevo pacto o del antiguo pacto?

Leal

Claro que hay conexion y continuidad entre el antiguo y nuevo testamente, la iglesia como tu le llamas salio del contexto judio.

Ahora lo ves como algo totalmente desconectado pero nuestras raices son judias.

La biblia es judia, escrita en su mayoria por judios.

en el libro de Hechos, podemos ver que todo siguio igual hasta que hubo una separacion definitiva en el segundo y tercer siglo.

Act 2:39 Porque para vosotros es la promesa, y para vuestros hijos, y para todos los que están lejos; para cuantos el Señor nuestro Dios llamare.

el mismo Pedro reclama que la promesa o nuevo pacto es para los israelitas y para sus hijos...y para todo el que crea...no esta hablando de un pueblo nuevo con todo nuevo..para nada..hay continuidad.

Act 2:46 Y perseverando unánimes cada día en el templo, y partiendo el pan en las casas, comían juntos con alegría y sencillez de corazón,

a que templo se refiere?

Act 2:47 alabando a Dios, y teniendo favor con todo el pueblo. Y el Señor añadía cada día a la iglesia los que habían de ser salvos.

cual iglesia? metodista, bautista, presbiterina, pentecostes, no-denominacional...cual iglesia?

todo siguio igual....incluyendo el diezmo...y este silencio te dice volumenes


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Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> Nop, Nop, Nop. No me generalices el asunto, estamos hablando del diezmo en específico. Ninguna conexión hay entre el diezmo del AT con la manera de dar en el NT. Es más, como ya he dicho antes, lo que hacen los pastores hoy al tomarles el diez por ciento de las entradas en dinero a los santos, ni se parece a lo que Dios pidió a los israelitas en el AT.
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¿Por qué se hacen los desentendidos cada vez que los trato de llevar a analizar en qué consistía en realidad el diezmo del AT?
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Dios nunca les pidió a los israelitas que dieran el diez por ciento de las utilidades que obtuvieran del comercio, o de la comercialización de sus productos ([FONT=&quot]el diezmo de tu grano, de tu vino y de tu aceite, y las primicias de tus manadas y de tus ganados)[/FONT]. Dios no les dijo: Comercialicen todo lo que produzca su tierra, de del total en dinero que obtengan den el diezmo. Eso sería un abuso, y eso es lo que están haciendo los que les toman el diez por ciento del salario a los creyentes.
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Si era muy lejos para llevar las diez ovejas, por ejemplo, esas diez las vendían a precio del mercado, y ese dinero era el diezmo por las cien ovejas. A una oveja se le puede sacar mucho más dinero si se comercializa sus productos derivados, que si se vende entera. A las noventa ovejas que quedan se les puede sacar lana, leche; pueden reproducirse, etc.
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Si las ovejas están en el mercado por diez dólares, al vender diez y darlo como diezmo, le estoy dando al levita 100 dólares. A las restantes noventa ovejas comercializando sus productos derivados, le puedo sacar digamos, 100 dólares a cada una, lo cual me deja 9000 dólares; de manera que si comercializo las cien ovejas, y tendría que dar el diez por ciento del total de la comercialización de ellas, estoy dando 1000 dólares. ¿Ven la diferencia o no la quieren ver?
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Dios no fue un abusador al pedirles a los israelitas que dieran el diez por ciento de productos del campo; pero ustedes si están abusando grandemente al pedirles a los santos que le den el diez por ciento de su salario, y utilizando la mentira de la continuidad del diezmo en el NT están timando a los santos, pues están obteniendo ese dinero median esa mentira.
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</style><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Tabla normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-qformat:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; mso-para-margin-top:0cm; mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> Yo no creo en el diezmo, el diezmo es una farsa, considero lo que se deben hacer ó lo que existe son contribuciones ó donaciones, pero creer que tengo que dar un porcentaje de mi dinero es herrado.

Cuentan un chiste: dicen que en una iglesia quien oficiaba pedía el diezmo y decía: con este dinero hago lo siguiente "Lanzo hacia riba el dinero el que Dios agarra es de él, pero el que cae en el suelo es mío".

Apoyo la opinión de MAGAOSCURA y agrego EL DINERO ES LO PEROR QUE SE PUDO HABER CREADO.<o:p></o:p>

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</style><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Tabla normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-qformat:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; mso-para-margin-top:0cm; mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> Yo no creo en el diezmo, el diezmo es una farsa, considero lo que se deben hacer ó lo que existe son contribuciones ó donaciones, pero creer que tengo que dar un porcentaje de mi dinero es herrado.
¿Y cual es la diferencia entre el diezmo y las contribuciones?

Cuentan un chiste: dicen que en una iglesia quien oficiaba pedía el diezmo y decía: con este dinero hago lo siguiente "Lanzo hacia riba el dinero el que Dios agarra es de él, pero el que cae en el suelo es mío".
Este es el chiste de los que no creen en el diezmo; y de los que no creen en darselo a un hombre... creen que hay que dárselo directamente a Dios, y lo hacen como dice el chiste...

Saludos y bendiciones
 
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Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> Nop, Nop, Nop. No me generalices el asunto, estamos hablando del diezmo en específico. Ninguna conexión hay entre el diezmo del AT con la manera de dar en el NT. Es más, como ya he dicho antes, lo que hacen los pastores hoy al tomarles el diez por ciento de las entradas en dinero a los santos, ni se parece a lo que Dios pidió a los israelitas en el AT.
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¿Por qué se hacen los desentendidos cada vez que los trato de llevar a analizar en qué consistía en realidad el diezmo del AT?
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Dios nunca les pidió a los israelitas que dieran el diez por ciento de las utilidades que obtuvieran del comercio, o de la comercialización de sus productos ([FONT=&quot]el diezmo de tu grano, de tu vino y de tu aceite, y las primicias de tus manadas y de tus ganados)[/FONT]. Dios no les dijo: Comercialicen todo lo que produzca su tierra, de del total en dinero que obtengan den el diezmo. Eso sería un abuso, y eso es lo que están haciendo los que les toman el diez por ciento del salario a los creyentes.
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Si era muy lejos para llevar las diez ovejas, por ejemplo, esas diez las vendían a precio del mercado, y ese dinero era el diezmo por las cien ovejas. A una oveja se le puede sacar mucho más dinero si se comercializa sus productos derivados, que si se vende entera. A las noventa ovejas que quedan se les puede sacar lana, leche; pueden reproducirse, etc.
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Si las ovejas están en el mercado por diez dólares, al vender diez y darlo como diezmo, le estoy dando al levita 100 dólares. A las restantes noventa ovejas comercializando sus productos derivados, le puedo sacar digamos, 100 dólares a cada una, lo cual me deja 9000 dólares; de manera que si comercializo las cien ovejas, y tendría que dar el diez por ciento del total de la comercialización de ellas, estoy dando 1000 dólares. ¿Ven la diferencia o no la quieren ver?
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Dios no fue un abusador al pedirles a los israelitas que dieran el diez por ciento de productos del campo; pero ustedes si están abusando grandemente al pedirles a los santos que le den el diez por ciento de su salario, y utilizando la mentira de la continuidad del diezmo en el NT están timando a los santos, pues están obteniendo ese dinero median esa mentira.
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Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> Timar. 1. tr. Quitar o hurtar con engaño.
2. tr. Engañar a alguien con promesas o esperanzas.

Es al contrario, tu quieres sacar algo que siguio existiendo y siguio su curso durante la vida de los apostoles. Nada cambio con la iglesia primitiva, excepto que ellos creyeron en Jesus....todo lo demas siguio igual.

Ahora, si para ti el hecho de que se cometen abusos y algunos se enriquezcan con lo que la gente dizma, ese no es el asunto aqui.

El asunto es de si es o no es el diezmo parte del nuevo pacto el cual tambien le pertenece a los israelitas, que te lo apropies hoy dia es otra cosa, pero eso no es el asunto, el asunto es de que si hay continuidad, lo aceptes o no lo aceptes.

Ademas, ya expuse el porque Dios piodo el Diezmo...lo cual lo ignoraste completamente...

Lev 27:30 Y el diezmo de la tierra, así de la simiente de la tierra como del fruto de los árboles, de Jehová es; es cosa dedicada a Jehová.

y el que se mencione solo el producto de la tierra no significa que el dinero no entra.

Neh 10:37 que traeríamos también las primicias de nuestras masas, y nuestras ofrendas, y del fruto de todo árbol, y del vino y del aceite, para los sacerdotes, a las cámaras de la casa de nuestro Dios, y el diezmo de nuestra tierra para los levitas; y que los levitas recibirían las décimas de nuestras labores en todas las ciudades;

aqui ya no se habla de tan solo los productos de la tierra, sino del producto de nuestro trabajo.

Neh 10:38 y que estaría el sacerdote hijo de Aarón con los levitas, cuando los levitas recibiesen el diezmo; y que los levitas llevarían el diezmo del diezmo a la casa de nuestro Dios, a las cámaras de la casa del tesoro.

si vamos por tu argumento, entoces los levitas tambien abusaban del diezmo al recoger TESOROS...

Heb 7:9 Y por decirlo así, en Abraham pagó el diezmo también Leví, que recibe los diezmos;

POR QUE PIENSAS QUE DICE PAGO? si Abraham no dio nada de grano, aceite, lana, ovejas, vacas, etc.
 
Re: es el diezmo del nuevo pacto o del antiguo pacto?

Es al contrario, tu quieres sacar algo que siguio existiendo y siguio su curso durante la vida de los apostoles. Nada cambio con la iglesia primitiva, excepto que ellos creyeron en Jesus....todo lo demas siguio igual.

Ahora, si para ti el hecho de que se cometen abusos y algunos se enriquezcan con lo que la gente dizma, ese no es el asunto aqui.

El asunto es de si es o no es el diezmo parte del nuevo pacto el cual tambien le pertenece a los israelitas, que te lo apropies hoy dia es otra cosa, pero eso no es el asunto, el asunto es de que si hay continuidad, lo aceptes o no lo aceptes.

Ademas, ya expuse el porque Dios piodo el Diezmo...lo cual lo ignoraste completamente...

Lev 27:30 Y el diezmo de la tierra, así de la simiente de la tierra como del fruto de los árboles, de Jehová es; es cosa dedicada a Jehová.

y el que se mencione solo el producto de la tierra no significa que el dinero no entra.

Neh 10:37 que traeríamos también las primicias de nuestras masas, y nuestras ofrendas, y del fruto de todo árbol, y del vino y del aceite, para los sacerdotes, a las cámaras de la casa de nuestro Dios, y el diezmo de nuestra tierra para los levitas; y que los levitas recibirían las décimas de nuestras labores en todas las ciudades;

aqui ya no se habla de tan solo los productos de la tierra, sino del producto de nuestro trabajo.

Neh 10:38 y que estaría el sacerdote hijo de Aarón con los levitas, cuando los levitas recibiesen el diezmo; y que los levitas llevarían el diezmo del diezmo a la casa de nuestro Dios, a las cámaras de la casa del tesoro.

si vamos por tu argumento, entoces los levitas tambien abusaban del diezmo al recoger TESOROS...

Heb 7:9 Y por decirlo así, en Abraham pagó el diezmo también Leví, que recibe los diezmos;

POR QUE PIENSAS QUE DICE PAGO? si Abraham no dio nada de grano, aceite, lana, ovejas, vacas, etc.


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[FONT=&quot]Sigues sin ir al grano, el diezmo no tiene continuidad en el NT, eso fue una ley que le impuso Dios a los israelitas, y no existe ni un solo indicio, ni explicito ni implícito de que los creyentes del NT tienen que dar el diez por ciento de su salario a un líder religioso. Sencillamente no existe, aunque si existe la petición de que el que sea instruido en la palabra haga participe de toda cosa buena al que lo instruye.<o:p></o:p>[/FONT]
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<sup>[FONT=&quot]6 [/FONT]</sup>El[FONT=&quot] que es enseñado en la palabra, haga partícipe de toda cosa buena al que lo instruye. (Gal.6:6)<o:p></o:p>[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] Además, ya te dije que Dios no pidió el diez por ciento de las ganancias de los israelitas, y explique en qué consistía eso en el AT, nada parecido a lo que hacen hoy los pastores pidiéndoles el diez por ciento del salario a los santos. No es lo mismo dar diez vacas de cien, que dar el diez por ciento de la comercialización de esas cien vacas. <o:p></o:p>[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]A nadie vas a engañar con el caso de ABRAHAM, Él dio el diez por ciento del botín de guerra, algo que se acostumbra a hacer en aquella región. <o:p></o:p>[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT]
<sup>[FONT=&quot]4[/FONT]</sup>Considerad[FONT=&quot], pues, cuán grande era éste, a quien aun Abraham el patriarca dio diezmos del botín. (Heb. 7:4)[/FONT][FONT=&quot]<o:p></o:p>[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]El autor de la llamada carta a los hebreos, no está poniendo el caso de Abraham para decirles a los creyentes que tienen que dar el diez por ciento de sus entradas en dinero, esa es una tergiversación perversa del pasaje. El sujeto de ese contexto es la supremacía del sacerdocio según el orden de Melquicedec, sobre el sacerdocio levítico.<o:p></o:p>[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]No te has aprendido el refrán: No ir más allá de lo que está escrito.<o:p></o:p>[/FONT]
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<sup>[FONT=&quot]6 [/FONT]</sup>[FONT=&quot]Hermanos, todo esto lo he aplicado a Apolos y a mí mismo para beneficio de ustedes, con el fin de que aprendan de nosotros aquello de «no ir más allá de lo que está escrito». (1Cor.4:6)<o:p></o:p>[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Demuéstrame con lo que está escrito, desde génesis a apocalipsis, que el diezmo tiene continuidad en el NT. Si no lo puedes demostrar con lo que está escrito, declárate timador profesional.<o:p></o:p>[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT]
<sup>[FONT=&quot]3[/FONT]</sup> [FONT=&quot]Si alguno enseña otra cosa, y no se conforma a las sanas palabras de nuestro Señor Jesucristo, y a la doctrina que es conforme a la piedad,[/FONT]<sup>[FONT=&quot] 4 [/FONT]</sup>[FONT=&quot]está envanecido, nada sabe, y delira acerca de cuestiones........................(1Tim.6:3)<o:p></o:p>[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Timar.1. tr. Quitar o hurtar con engaño.2. tr. Engañar a alguien con promesas o esperanzas.3. prnl. coloq. Dicho de los enamorados: Entenderse con la mirada, hacerse guiños.<o:p></o:p>[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Decir que el diezmo tiene continuidad en el NT es un engaño, una mentira, que se agrava aun más, al pedirles a los creyentes el diez por ciento de sus salarios, o de los dividendos en el caso de los creyentes que tienen negocio propio. Están Timándolos, en todo el sentido de la palabra.<o:p></o:p>[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT]
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Re: es el diezmo del nuevo pacto o del antiguo pacto?

bueno me voy a tener que poner una granja para darle 1 vaca de cada 10 al templo... jajaa... Gracias Leal
 
Re: es el diezmo del nuevo pacto o del antiguo pacto?

¿Acaso hay una cita en el NT que diga que el Diezmo ya no se debe dar? De verdad, no lo se, no crean que lo estoy preguntando con malicia...
 
Re: es el diezmo del nuevo pacto o del antiguo pacto?


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Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> Nop, Nop, Nop. No me generalices el asunto, estamos hablando del diezmo en específico. Ninguna conexión hay entre el diezmo del AT con la manera de dar en el NT. Es más, como ya he dicho antes, lo que hacen los pastores hoy al tomarles el diez por ciento de las entradas en dinero a los santos, ni se parece a lo que Dios pidió a los israelitas en el AT.
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¿Por qué se hacen los desentendidos cada vez que los trato de llevar a analizar en qué consistía en realidad el diezmo del AT?
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Dios nunca les pidió a los israelitas que dieran el diez por ciento de las utilidades que obtuvieran del comercio, o de la comercialización de sus productos ([FONT=&quot]el diezmo de tu grano, de tu vino y de tu aceite, y las primicias de tus manadas y de tus ganados)[/FONT]. Dios no les dijo: Comercialicen todo lo que produzca su tierra, de del total en dinero que obtengan den el diezmo. Eso sería un abuso, y eso es lo que están haciendo los que les toman el diez por ciento del salario a los creyentes.
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Si era muy lejos para llevar las diez ovejas, por ejemplo, esas diez las vendían a precio del mercado, y ese dinero era el diezmo por las cien ovejas. A una oveja se le puede sacar mucho más dinero si se comercializa sus productos derivados, que si se vende entera. A las noventa ovejas que quedan se les puede sacar lana, leche; pueden reproducirse, etc.
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Si las ovejas están en el mercado por diez dólares, al vender diez y darlo como diezmo, le estoy dando al levita 100 dólares. A las restantes noventa ovejas comercializando sus productos derivados, le puedo sacar digamos, 100 dólares a cada una, lo cual me deja 9000 dólares; de manera que si comercializo las cien ovejas, y tendría que dar el diez por ciento del total de la comercialización de ellas, estoy dando 1000 dólares. ¿Ven la diferencia o no la quieren ver?
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Dios no fue un abusador al pedirles a los israelitas que dieran el diez por ciento de productos del campo; pero ustedes si están abusando grandemente al pedirles a los santos que le den el diez por ciento de su salario, y utilizando la mentira de la continuidad del diezmo en el NT están timando a los santos, pues están obteniendo ese dinero median esa mentira.
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Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> Timar. 1. tr. Quitar o hurtar con engaño.
2. tr. Engañar a alguien con promesas o esperanzas.

De las 100 ovejas:
Noventa son tuyas y valen 900.
Diez son para diezmar y valen 100

El templo queda muy lejos, el camino es peligroso y la labor de traslado es muy pesada.
A poco de iniciado el camino tienes la oportunidad de negociar las ovejas a 100 c/u:

*¿vendes todas a 100 c/u?
*¿vendes las noventa a 100 y las diez del diezmo a 10 c/u?. Parece que esta es tu postura.
*Si tuvieras la oportunidad de comunicarte con el administrador del templo y le dices, 'mira, te llevo diez ovejas que son tuyas ($100) pero hay un comprador que está pagando por $1000 por ellas, ¿te las vendo?'......¿qué piensas que te contestaría?

En la parábola de los talentos vemos que se mandó a necociar mas tu prefieres no hacerlo con lo de tu señor más si con lo tuyo. Te sirves a ti mismo y no a tu señor.

Pienso no debes dar el diezmo con tal legalismo, pues sea antes o después, no tienes disposición de corazón, así el mismo sirva para un buen fin; a ti no te serviría de nada, pues siervo inútil eres y solo hiciste lo que debías hacer, cumplir con lo que dijo la ley.
 
Re: es el diezmo del nuevo pacto o del antiguo pacto?

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mso-padding-alt:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; mso-para-margin-top:0cm; mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> Si el dinero no existiera ¿Existiera el amor al dinero? le expongo:

¿Una prostituta vende su cuerpo por? Dinero.
¿Para accesar a internet se necesitas? Dinero.
¿El narcotraficante para poder tener carros, casas lujosas y demás necesita? Dinero.
¿Un ladrón te mata? Por dinero.
¿Un sicario lo hace por? Dinero.
¿Tu soportas insultos en tu trabajo por? Dinero.
¿El pobre y el rico existen a causa del? Dinero.
¿Las iglesias te piden para que el pastor subsista? Dinero.
¿Las guerras se hacen por? Dinero.
No se si alguien lo dijo antes pero mi persona no le a copiado a nadie, yo digo “Quiten una cosa al mundo” EL DINERO
Pero con el dinero...

También se come...
Se ayuda al necesitado...
Se compran medicinas...
Se va al trabajo...
Se crian los hijos...
Se educan los hijos...
Y ... muchos etc. etc. etc.

Dios no rechaza el dinero; sino, ...el amor al dinero...
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"Porque el amor del dinero es la raíz de todos los males: el cual codiciando algunos, se descaminaron de la fe, y fueron traspasados de muchos dolores" (1 Tim. 6:10)
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El dinero no es el problema... es el amor al dinero.... Tengas mucho... o poco, poquísimo dinero...el amor a él, es el problema...

Y el diezmo es la vacuna contra "el amor al dinero"... si lo das, es porque esa tenaza o pinza que se llama diezmo, te sacó "el amor al dinero"... Si no lo das, es porque esa tenaza, no ha podido sacar "el amor al dinero".... obvio...

No me has respondido ¿cual es la diferencia entre diezmo y contribuciones?

Dios bendiga

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Re: es el diezmo del nuevo pacto o del antiguo pacto?

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¿Una prostituta vende su cuerpo por? Dinero.
¿Para accesar a internet se necesitas? Dinero.
¿El narcotraficante para poder tener carros, casas lujosas y demás necesita? Dinero.
¿Un ladrón te mata? Por dinero.
¿Un sicario lo hace por? Dinero.
¿Tu soportas insultos en tu trabajo por? Dinero.
¿El pobre y el rico existen a causa del? Dinero.
¿Las iglesias te piden para que el pastor subsista? Dinero.
¿Las guerras se hacen por? Dinero.
No se si alguien lo dijo antes pero mi persona no le a copiado a nadie, yo digo “Quiten una cosa al mundo” EL DINERO

Me parecio haber escuchado algo asi en el documental Zeitgeist:Addendum... donde hablan de crear una sociedad donde solo se viva del trueque... y no haya dinero ni trabajo... jeje... Lo llaman The Venus Project (El Proyecto Venus)
Obviamente, es risorio...
 
Re: es el diezmo del nuevo pacto o del antiguo pacto?

Originalmente enviado por Leal:

No te has aprendido el refrán: No ir más allá de lo que está escrito.

6 Hermanos, todo esto lo he aplicado a Apolos y a mí mismo para beneficio de ustedes, con el fin de que aprendan de nosotros aquello de «no ir más allá de lo que está escrito». (1Cor.4:6)
Me parece te sales de contexto. Pablo está refiriéndose a no juzgar a las personas ni sus motivos y que ent odo caso solo se tome en cuenta lo escrito por las mismas. No está refiriéndose a lo escrito en la biblia sino a ellos mismos ("todo esto lo he aplicado a Apolos y a mí mismo"): para que en nosotros aprendáis a no pensar más de lo que está escrito, no sea que por causa de uno, os envanezcáis unos contra otros (1 Co 4.6). Nadie se envanezca por lo que piense de la persona, o que por ser enseñado por Pablo se es más que serlo por Apolo.
 
Re: es el diezmo del nuevo pacto o del antiguo pacto?

Disculpa Leal, debió haber salido así:

Originalmente enviado por Leal:

No te has aprendido el refrán: No ir más allá de lo que está escrito.

6 Hermanos, todo esto lo he aplicado a Apolos y a mí mismo para beneficio de ustedes, con el fin de que aprendan de nosotros aquello de «no ir más allá de lo que está escrito». (1Cor.4:6)
Me parece te sales de contexto. Pablo está refiriéndose a no juzgar a las personas ni sus motivos y que ent odo caso solo se tome en cuenta lo escrito por las mismas. No está refiriéndose a lo escrito en la biblia sino a ellos mismos ("todo esto lo he aplicado a Apolos y a mí mismo"): para que en nosotros aprendáis a no pensar más de lo que está escrito, no sea que por causa de uno, os envanezcáis unos contra otros (1 Co 4.6). Nadie se envanezca por lo que piense de la persona, o que por ser enseñado por Pablo se es más que serlo por Apolo.