TRES cosas para saber si perternezco a una falsa iglesia.

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bueno ,,yo diria que lo mas relevante que esta gente hace es

tratar de suprimir tu propio sentido comun y conciencia convenciendote que no tienes la capacidad cognocitiva ni la guiansa espiritual para buscar la verdad por ti mismo ,por ende ,,debes subordinarte a su magisterio de "iluminados" los cuales seran los que te guiaran .

y por supuesto sus guiansas deben ser incuestionables e infalibles .

no obstante esto filosoficamente se convierte en una contradiccion en sus propios terminos ..

y es que ningun ser humano puede hacer lo que ellos dicen que hasen ,,es decir


cuando piensas que no tienes las capacidades cognocitivas para discernir la verdad y por ende te subordinas a lo que otro dice ,en realidad estas usando tu propia capacidad cognocitiva para hacerlo .. por ende y segun ellos ,estaras de todas formas extraviado pues usaste lo que precisamente ellos dicen que no debes usar para elegir el camino a la verdad .


em otras palabras ,,

si no tienes capacidad cognositiva y guiansa espiritual estaras jodido de todas formas aunque te subordines a un magisterio ,pues presisamente lo que te hase creer que ellos dicen la verdad es tu propia capacidad cognocitiva y guiansa espiritual si es que la hay .
 
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Saludos Hector;

Aprovecho para mandarte un abrazo... Hace tiempo que no "nos peleamos"... (ja ja)

Pues si; una de las maneras de disuadir o convencer de que estamos errados, es darle primacía casi infalible a un "canal", en este caso el EFD, sin el cual es IMPOSIBLE discernir el mensaje que la biblia nos da....


Wilson G

asi es mi querido hermano ...

por otra parte ,,,como dice mi esposa ,,nosotros no peleamos ,,solo tenemos nuestras discuciones intelectuales jeje.

un abrazo
 
Re: TRES cosas para saber si perternezco a una falsa iglesia.

no obstante esto filosoficamente se convierte en una contradiccion en sus propios terminos ..

y es que ningun ser humano puede hacer lo que ellos dicen que hasen ,,es decir


cuando piensas que no tienes las capacidades cognocitivas para discernir la verdad y por ende te subordinas a lo que otro dice ,en realidad estas usando tu propia capacidad cognocitiva para hacerlo .. por ende y segun ellos ,estaras de todas formas extraviado pues usaste lo que precisamente ellos dicen que no debes usar para elegir el camino a la verdad .


em otras palabras ,,

si no tienes capacidad cognositiva y guiansa espiritual estaras jodido de todas formas aunque te subordines a un magisterio ,pues presisamente lo que te hase creer que ellos dicen la verdad es tu propia capacidad cognocitiva y guiansa espiritual si es que la hay .

Aqui gasté mi poca materia gris

cerebro pequeño.jpg

para entenderte....

¿Por que haces trabalenguas... ?(ja ja)
 
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asi es mi querido hermano ...

por otra parte ,,,como dice mi esposa ,,nosotros no peleamos ,,solo tenemos nuestras discuciones intelectuales jeje.

un abrazo

!Tremenda esposa...! !El Señor te la bendiga...!
 
Re: TRES cosas para saber si perternezco a una falsa iglesia.

bueno ,,yo diria que lo mas relevante que esta gente hace es

tratar de suprimir tu propio sentido comun y conciencia convenciendote que no tienes la capacidad cognocitiva ni la guiansa espiritual para buscar la verdad por ti mismo ,por ende ,,debes subordinarte a su magisterio de "iluminados" los cuales seran los que te guiaran .

y por supuesto sus guiansas deben ser incuestionables e infalibles .



Estimado Hector:
Me gutaría tener tu opinión o entendimiento sobre estos pasajes bíblicos:
1.- Apocalipsis 14:1 "Después miré, y he aquí el Cordero estaba en pie sobre el monte de Sion, y con él ciento cuarenta y cuatro mil, que tenían el nombre de él y el de su Padre escrito en la frente". ¿Quienes son y donde están hoy día?
2.- Apocalipsis 5:9,10 "y cantaban un nuevo cántico, diciendo: Digno eres de tomar el libro y de abrir sus sellos; porque tú fuiste inmolado, y con tu sangre nos has redimido para Dios, de todo linaje y lengua y pueblo y nación; y nos has hecho para nuestro Dios reyes y sacerdotes, y reinaremos sobre la tierra. ¿Quienes son estos reyes y sacerdotes?
3.-Apocalipsis 20:2,3 "Y prendió al dragón, la serpiente antigua, que es el diablo y Satanás, y lo ató por mil años; y lo arrojó al abismo, y lo encerró, y puso su sello sobre él, para que no engañase más a las naciones, hasta que fuesen cumplidos mil años; y después de esto debe ser desatado por un poco de tiempo".
¿Cual es el propósito del milenio, y para que lo desatan al Diablo por un poco de tiempo?

Te agaradezco de antemano tus comentarios,
Saludos
 
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1- Si tienen un lider principal o grupo de supuestos ungidos que sirven de puente entre tu y Dios.

Jesus es el unico intermediario entre Dios y los hombres.


Mat 23:8 "Pero ustedes no deben pretender que la gente los llame maestros, porque todos ustedes son hermanos y tienen solamente un Maestro.
Mat 23:9 Y no llamen ustedes padre a nadie en la tierra, porque tienen solamente un Padre: el que está en el cielo.
Mat 23:10 Ni deben pretender que los llamen guías, porque Cristo es su único Guía.

Gal 3:20 Pero no hay necesidad de intermediario cuando se trata de una sola persona, y Dios es uno solo

Joh 14:6 Jesús le contestó: Yo soy el camino, la verdad y la vida. Solamente por mí se puede llegar al Padre.

Act 4:12 En ningún otro hay salvación, porque en todo el mundo Dios no nos ha dado otra persona por la cual podamos salvarnos.

1Ti 2:5 Porque no hay más que un Dios, y un solo hombre que sea el mediador entre Dios y los hombres: Cristo Jesús.


aqui me falto uno de las pasajes mas importantelo que tu iglesia no podra revelarte jamas Mat 16:16 Simón Pedro le respondió:
–Tú eres el Mesías, el Hijo del Dios viviente. [5]
Mat 16:17 Entonces Jesús le dijo:
–Dichoso tú, Simón, hijo de Jonás, porque esto no lo conociste por medios humanos, sino porque te lo reveló mi Padre que está en el cielo.
Mat 16:18 y yo te digo que tú eres Pedro, y sobre esta piedra voy a construir mi iglesia; y ni siquiera el poder de la muerte[6] podrá vencerla.
Mat 16:19 Te daré las llaves del reino de los cielos; lo que tú ates aquí en la tierra, también quedará atado en el cielo, y lo que tú desates aquí en la tierra, también quedará desatado en el cielo. [7]
 
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Mat 16:17 Entonces Jesús le dijo:
–Dichoso tú, Simón, hijo de Jonás, porque esto no lo conociste por medios humanos, sino porque te lo reveló mi Padre que está en el cielo.
 
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Mat 16:17 Entonces Jesús le dijo:
–Dichoso tú, Simón, hijo de Jonás, porque esto no lo conociste por medios humanos, sino porque te lo reveló mi Padre que está en el cielo.

HASTA QUE DIOS NO TE REVELE A SU HIJO , NO ESTAS EN LA IGLESIA DE JESUS, SORRY

NI PASTORES NI IGLESIAS TE LO PUEDEN REVELAR ,SOLO DIOS
 
Re: TRES cosas para saber si perternezco a una falsa iglesia.

1- Si tienen un lider principal o grupo de supuestos ungidos que sirven de puente entre tu y Dios.

Jesus es el unico intermediario entre Dios y los hombres.


Mat 23:8 "Pero ustedes no deben pretender que la gente los llame maestros, porque todos ustedes son hermanos y tienen solamente un Maestro.
Mat 23:9 Y no llamen ustedes padre a nadie en la tierra, porque tienen solamente un Padre: el que está en el cielo.
Mat 23:10 Ni deben pretender que los llamen guías, porque Cristo es su único Guía.

Gal 3:20 Pero no hay necesidad de intermediario cuando se trata de una sola persona, y Dios es uno solo

Joh 14:6 Jesús le contestó: Yo soy el camino, la verdad y la vida. Solamente por mí se puede llegar al Padre.

Act 4:12 En ningún otro hay salvación, porque en todo el mundo Dios no nos ha dado otra persona por la cual podamos salvarnos.

1Ti 2:5 Porque no hay más que un Dios, y un solo hombre que sea el mediador entre Dios y los hombres: Cristo Jesús.


aqui me falto uno de las pasajes mas importantelo que tu iglesia no podra revelarte jamas Mat 16:16 Simón Pedro le respondió:
–Tú eres el Mesías, el Hijo del Dios viviente. [5]
Mat 16:17 Entonces Jesús le dijo:
–Dichoso tú, Simón, hijo de Jonás, porque esto no lo conociste por medios humanos, sino porque te lo reveló mi Padre que está en el cielo.
Mat 16:18 y yo te digo que tú eres Pedro, y sobre esta piedra voy a construir mi iglesia; y ni siquiera el poder de la muerte[6] podrá vencerla.
Mat 16:19 Te daré las llaves del reino de los cielos; lo que tú ates aquí en la tierra, también quedará atado en el cielo, y lo que tú desates aquí en la tierra, también quedará desatado en el cielo. [7]



Hola Manuel:
Presta atención a lo siguiente:
Mateo 24:45-47 ¿Quién es, pues, el siervo fiel y prudente, al cual puso su señor sobre su casa para que les dé el alimento a tiempo?

Bienaventurado aquel siervo al cual, cuando su señor venga, le halle haciendo así.

De cierto os digo que sobre todos sus bienes le pondrá.


¿Entiendes este pasaje? ¿Quien es ese siervo fiel y prudente? ¿Donde está? ¿Está cumpliendo su asignación?

Al grano Manuel, sin mucho palabreo
 
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Hola Manuel:
Presta atención a lo siguiente:
Mateo 24:45-47 ¿Quién es, pues, el siervo fiel y prudente, al cual puso su señor sobre su casa para que les dé el alimento a tiempo?

Bienaventurado aquel siervo al cual, cuando su señor venga, le halle haciendo así.

De cierto os digo que sobre todos sus bienes le pondrá.


¿Entiendes este pasaje? ¿Quien es ese siervo fiel y prudente? ¿Donde está? ¿Está cumpliendo su asignación?

Al grano Manuel, sin mucho palabreo

por supuesto que no puede ser una organizacion fundada por un ocultista como russel

como puedes creer que Dios escoge a un mentiroso adorador de las piramides para fundar su iglesia en la tierra?

la iglesia de Jesus es espiritual , Dios no vive en edificios

Mat 13:37 Jesús les respondió: "El que siembra la buena semilla es el hijo del hombre,
Mat 13:38 y el campo es el mundo. La buena semilla representa a los que son del reino, y la mala hierba representa a los que son del maligno,
Mat 13:39 y el enemigo que sembró la mala hierba es el diablo. La cosecha representa el fin del mundo, y los que recogen la cosecha son los ángeles.
Mat 13:40 Así como la mala hierba se recoge y se echa al fuego para quemarla, así sucederá también al fin del mundo.
Mat 13:41 El Hijo del hombre mandará a sus ángeles a recoger de su reino a todos los que hacen pecar a otros, y a los que practican el mal.
Mat 13:42 Los echarán en el horno encendido, y vendrán el llanto y la desesperación.

la mala hierba crece con la cosecha hasta el ultimo dia

y los angels recogeran la cosecha , los que son iglesia de Jesus

solo cuando la iglesia sea purificada entonces sabremos quienes son , Jesus no se casa con una prostituta como son todas las religiones hoy dia
 
Re: TRES cosas para saber si perternezco a una falsa iglesia.

por supuesto que no puede ser una organizacion fundada por un ocultista como russel

como puedes creer que Dios escoge a un mentiroso adorador de las piramides para fundar su iglesia en la tierra?

la iglesia de Jesus es espiritual , Dios no vive en edificios

Mat 13:37 Jesús les respondió: "El que siembra la buena semilla es el hijo del hombre,
Mat 13:38 y el campo es el mundo. La buena semilla representa a los que son del reino, y la mala hierba representa a los que son del maligno,
Mat 13:39 y el enemigo que sembró la mala hierba es el diablo. La cosecha representa el fin del mundo, y los que recogen la cosecha son los ángeles.
Mat 13:40 Así como la mala hierba se recoge y se echa al fuego para quemarla, así sucederá también al fin del mundo.
Mat 13:41 El Hijo del hombre mandará a sus ángeles a recoger de su reino a todos los que hacen pecar a otros, y a los que practican el mal.
Mat 13:42 Los echarán en el horno encendido, y vendrán el llanto y la desesperación.

la mala hierba crece con la cosecha hasta el ultimo dia

y los angels recogeran la cosecha , los que son iglesia de Jesus

solo cuando la iglesia sea purificada entonces sabremos quienes son , Jesus no se casa con una prostituta como son todas las religiones hoy dia



Pobre Manuel:
El rencor que llevas en el corazón no te permite ser ecuánime, odias sin razón y no contestas con claridad como te pedí, por tanto debo asumir que ese pasaje no lo entiendes y si no lo entiendes la pregunta es ¿que alimento a tiempo estás recibiendo (si es que recibes algo) y de quien? ¡¡debe ser un alimento desnaturalizado en sus "propiedades nutritivas" puesto que es evidente tu debilidad en todo sentido.
 
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Pobre Manuel:
El rencor que llevas en el corazón no te permite ser ecuánime, odias sin razón y no contestas con claridad como te pedí, por tanto debo asumir que ese pasaje no lo entiendes y si no lo entiendes la pregunta es ¿que alimento a tiempo estás recibiendo (si es que recibes algo) y de quien? ¡¡debe ser un alimento desnaturalizado en sus "propiedades nutritivas" puesto que es evidente tu debilidad en todo sentido.

acabo de ver este documental acerca del exodo

watch


yo se que no tiene mucho que ver, hasta la parte en donde james cameron llega a atenas
siguiendo a judios que se alejaron del sinai y sus lapidas y la pirámide cerca a la que fueron erigidas
son muy pero muy interesantes...
Cada vez mas pienso que las tan satanizadas pirámides habría sido mas de origen semita que egipcio.

Yo disfruté muchisimo este documental...

saludos
 
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acabo de ver este documental acerca del exodo

watch


yo se que no tiene mucho que ver, hasta la parte en donde james cameron llega a atenas
siguiendo a judios que se alejaron del sinai y sus lapidas y la pirámide cerca a la que fueron erigidas
son muy pero muy interesantes...
Cada vez mas pienso que las tan satanizadas pirámides habría sido mas de origen semita que egipcio.

Yo disfruté muchisimo este documental...

saludos

 
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Pobre Manuel:
El rencor que llevas en el corazón no te permite ser ecuánime, odias sin razón y no contestas con claridad como te pedí, por tanto debo asumir que ese pasaje no lo entiendes y si no lo entiendes la pregunta es ¿que alimento a tiempo estás recibiendo (si es que recibes algo) y de quien? ¡¡debe ser un alimento desnaturalizado en sus "propiedades nutritivas" puesto que es evidente tu debilidad en todo sentido.

vamos a ver si no sale corriendo como los demas testigos, te asguro que si

si la wt es la unica iglesia verdadera porque a publicado mas de 200 mentiras usando el nombre de Dios es su atalaya?


Atalaya: More than 200 false announcements.
1877 'The End Of This World; that is the end of the gospel and the beginning of the millennial age is nearer than most men suppose; indeed we have already entered the transition period, which is to be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation Dan. 12:3." (N.H. Barbour and C.T. Russell, Three Worlds, and the Harvest of This World, p. 17).
1879 "Christ came in the character of a Bridegroom in 1874.... at the beginning of the Gospel harvest." (Watchtower, Oct 1879, p. 4)
1880 "We need not here repeat the evidences that the "seventh trump" began its sounding A.D., 1840, and will continue until the end of the time of trouble, and the end of "The times of the Gentiles," A.D., 1914, and that it is the trouble of this "Great day," which is here symbolically called the voice of the Archangel when he begins the deliverance of fleshly Israel. "At that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince (Archangel) which standeth for the children of thy people and there shall be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation." Dan. xii. 1. Nor will we here, again present the conclusive Bible proof that our Lord came for his Bride in 1874, and has an unseen work as Reaper of the first-fruits of this Gospel Age. (Zion's Watchtower November, 1880 p. 1)
1886 "The outlook at the opening of the New Year has some very encouraging features. The outward evidences are that the marshaling of the hosts for the battle of the great day of God Almighty, is in progress while the skirmishing is commencing. … The time is come for Messiah to take the dominion of earth and to overthrow the oppressors and corrupters of the earth, (Rev. 19:15 and 11:17, 18) preparatory to the establishment of everlasting peace upon the only firm foundation of righteousness and truth." (Zion's Watchtower, January, 1886;Watchtower reprints I, p. 817)
1888 "In this chapter we present the Bible evidence proving that the full end of the times of the gentiles, i.e., the full end of their lease of dominion, will be reached in A.D. 1914; and that the date will be the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men. And be it observed, that if this is shown to be a fact firmly established by the Scriptures, it will prove; Firstly, that at that date the Kingdom of God, for which our Lord taught us to pray, saying, Thy Kingdom come, will obtain full, universal control, and that it will then be set up, or firmly established, in the earth, on the ruins of present institutions." (The Time Is At Hand, 1888, p. 76, 77)
1889 "Be not surprised, then, when in subsequent chapters we present proofs that the setting up of the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878, and that the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:14) which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced. The gathering of the armies is plainly visible from the standpoint of God's word." (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, The Time Is At Hand, 1889 Ed., p. 101. The 1915 Edition of this texts changed "A.D. 1914" to read 'A.D. 1915')
1889 "Here we furnish the evidence that from the creation of Adam to (but not including) A.D. 1873 was six thousand years. And though the Bible contains no direct statement that the seventh thousand will be the epoch of Christ's reign, the great Sabbath Day of restitution to the world, yet the venerable tradition is not without a reasonable foundation." (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 39. 1889)
1889 "If, then, the seventh thousand-year period of earth's history be an epoch specially noted as the period of Christ's reign, we shall by showing that it began in 1873, be proving that we are already in it." (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 40. 1889)
1889 "In the coming 26 years, all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved." (C.T. Russell, Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 98-99, 1889)
1889 "In this chapter we present the Bible evidence which indicates that six thousand years from the creation of Adam were complete with A.D. 1872; and hence that, since A.D. 1872 are chronologically entered upon the seventh thousand or the Millennium." (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 33, 1889)
1889 "Remember that the forty years' Jewish Harvest ended October A.D. 69, and was followed by the complete overthrow of that nation; and that likewise the forty years of the Gospel age harvest will end October, 1914, and that likewise the overthrow of 'Christendom,' so-called, must be expected to immediately follow." (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 245)
1894 "Seventeen years ago people said, concerning the time features presented in Millennial Dawn, They seem reasonable in many respects, but surely no such radical changes could occur between now and the close of 1914: if you had proved that they would come about in a century or two, it would seem much more probable. What changes have since occurred, and what velocity is gained daily? 'The old is quickly passing and the new is coming in.' Now, in view of recent labor troubles and threatened anarchy, our readers are writing to know if there may not be a mistake in the 1914 date. They say that they do not see how present conditions can hold out so long under the strain. We see no reason for changing the figures-nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble." (Zion's Watchtower, Can It Be Delayed until 1914? C. T. Russell July 15, 1894, Also in Watchtower Reprints, l894 p. 1677)
1894 "A few more years will wind up the present order of things, and then the chastened world will stand face to face with the actual conditions of the established Kingdom of God. And yet the course of the Church is to be finished within the space of time that intervenes." (Watchtower p. 56, 1894)
1894 "We see no reason for changing the figures - nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble." (Watchtower July 15, 1894, p 266; p 1677 reprints)
1897 "...this measurement is 3416 inches, symbolizing 3416 years.... This calculation shows A.D. 1874 as marking the beginning of the period of trouble...." (Russell, Studies in the Scriptures: Thy Kingdom Come, Series III, p. 342, 1897 edition [1916 edition changed to read: "We find it to be 3457 inches, symbolizing 3457 years.... Thus the Pyramid witnesses that the close of 1914 will be the beginning of the time of trouble...."] note: the measurement was the length of an interior passageway discovered inside the Pyramids. It has no reference in Scripture.)
1897 "Complete destruction of the 'powers that be' of 'this present evil worlds - political, financial, ecclesiastical - about the close of the Time of the Gentiles; October A.D. 1914." (C.T. Russell, Studies in the Scriptures, IV, p. 622, 1897)
1897 "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874, A.D....and the formal inauguration of his kingly office dates from April 1878, A.D." (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol.4, p.621, 1897)
1897 "The distillery, the brewery, the saloon, the brothel, the pool-room, all time-killing and character-depraving business will be stopped; and their servants will be given something to do that will be beneficial to themselves and others. "Similarly, the building of war-vessels, the manufacture of munitions of war and defense will cease, and armies will be disbanded. The new Kingdom will have no need of these, but will have abundant power to execute summary justice in the punishment of evil doers... "The banking and brokerage business, and other like employment's, very useful under present conditions, will no longer have a place; for under the new conditions the human race will be required to treat each others as members of one family, and private capital and money to loan and to be needed will be things of the past. Landlords and renting agencies will find new employment also, because the new King will not recognize as valid patents and deeds now on record. "...namely, that with present conveniences, if the whole people were put to work systematically and wisely, not more than three hours labor for each individual would be necessary." (Studies, Vol. IV, pp. 633-635, 1897)
1902 "In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the kingdom of God, will be accomplished by the end of A.D. 1914." (The Time Is At Hand, 1902 edition, p. 99)
1903 "When Uranus and Jupiter meet in the humane sign of Aquarius in 1914, the long-promised era will have made a fair start in the work of setting man free to work out his own salvation, and will insure the ultimate realization of dreams and ideals of all poets and sages in history." (Watchtower, May 1, 1903, p. 130-131; p3184 Reprints)
1904 "According to our expectations the stress of the great time of trouble will be on us soon, somewhere between 1910 and 1912, culminating with the end of the 'Times of the Gentiles,' October, 1914." (The New Creation, Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 6, p. 579, 1904)
1908 "In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished at the end of A. D. 1914." (The Time Is At Hand; 1889; 1908 ed.; p. 99)
1908 "True, it is expecting great things to claim, as we do, that within the coming twenty-six years all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved" (The Time Is At Hand; 1889; 1908 ed.; p. 99)
1914 "Even if the time of our change should not come within ten years, what more should we ask? Are we not a blessed, happy people? Is not our God faithful? If anyone knows anything better, let him take it. If any of you ever find anything better, we hope you will tell us." (Watchtower, Dec 15, 1914, p. 376.)
1914 "Studying God's Word, we have measured the 2520 years, the seven symbolic times, from that year 606 B.C. and have found that it reached down to October, 1914, as nearly as we were able to reckon. We did not say positively that this would be the year." (Watchtower, November 1, 1914, p. 325)
1914 "While it's possible that Armageddon may begin next Spring, yet this purely speculation to attempt to say just when. We see, however, that there are parallels between the close of the Jewish age and this Gospel age. These parallels seem to point to the year just before us part particularly the early months." (Watchtower Reprints, VI, Sept 1, 1914, p. 5527)
1914 "There is absolutely no ground for Bible students to question that the consummation of this Gospel age is now even at the door, and that it will end as the Scriptures foretell in a great time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation. We see the participants in this great crisis banding themselves together… The great crisis, the great clash, symbolically represented as a fire, that will consume the ecclesiastical heavens and the social earth, is very near." (Watchtower Reprints, VI, May 1, 1914, p. 5450)
1915 "The present great war in Europe is the beginning of the Armageddon of the Scriptures Rev 19:16-20). It will eventuate in the complete overthrow of all the systems of error which have so long oppressed the people of God and deluded the world. We believe the present war cannot last much longer until revolutions shall break out" (C.T. Russell, Pastor Russell's Sermons, p. 676, Sometime during World War I)
1915 Here we furnish the evidence that from the creation of Adam to A.D. 1873 was six thousand years. And though the Bible contains no direct statement that the seventh thousand will be the epoch of Christ's reign, the great Sabbath Day of restitution to the world, yet the venerable tradition is not without reasonable foundation. (The Time Is At Hand; 1889; 1915 ed.; p. 39)
1915 If, then, the seventh thousand-year period of earth's history be an epoch specially noted as the period of Christ's reign, we shall, by showing that it began in A.D. 1873, be proving that we are already in it. (The Time Is At Hand; 1889; 1915 ed.; p. 40)
1915 Firstly, that at that date [1914] the Kingdom of God, for which our Lord taught us to pray, saying, "Thy Kingdom come," will begin to assume control, and that it will then shortly be "set up," or firmly established, in the earth, on the ruins of present institutions. (The Time Is At Hand; 1889; 1915 ed.; p. 77)
1915 "In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the kingdom of God, will be accomplished near the end of A.D. 1915. (The Time Is At Hand, 1915 edition, p. 99)
1915 "Be not surprised, then, when in subsequent chapters we present proofs that the setting up of the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878, and that the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1915, with the complete overthrow of the earth's present rulership, is already commenced." (The Time Is At Hand; 1889; 1915 ed.; p. 101)
1915 "As in the type that date - three and a half years after the death of Christ - marked the end of all special favor to the Jew and the beginning of favor to the Gentiles, so we recognize A.D. 1881 as marking the close of the 'high calling,' or invitation to the blessing peculiar to this age - to become joint-heirs with Christ and partakers of the divine nature." (The Time Is At Hand; 1889; 1915 ed.; p. 235)
1915 So it was in this harvest also up to A.D. 1878 the time prophecies and the fact of the Lord's presence, substantially as here presented, though less clearly, was our message. Since then the work has widened, and the view of other truths has become brighter and clearer; but the same fact and scriptures, teaching the same time and presence, stand unchallenged and incontrovertible. (The Time Is At Hand; 1889; 1915 ed.; p. 236)
1915 The Gentile Times prove that the present governments must all be overturned about the close of A.D. 1915; and Parallelism above shows that this period corresponds exactly with the year A.D. 70, which witnessed the completion of the downfall of the Jewish polity. (The Time Is At Hand, 1915 edition, p. 242)
1915 We are already living in the seventh millennium - since October 1872. (The Time Is At Hand; 1889; 1915 ed.; p. 363)
1915 The Battle of Armageddon, to which this war is leading, will be a great contest between right and wrong, and will signify the complete and everlasting overthrow of the wrong, and the permanent establishment of Messiah's righteous kingdom for the blessing of the world. … Our sympathies are broad enough to cover all engaged in the dreadful strife, as our hope is broad enough and deep enough to include all in the great blessings which our Master and his Millennial kingdom are about to bring to the world. (Watchtower Reprints, VI, April 1, 1915, p. 5659)
1915 To our understanding the general call to this joint heirship with our Redeemer as members of the New Creation of God, ceased in 1881. (The New Creation; 1899; 1915 ed.; p. 95)
1916 "The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ's Reign, began in 1873." (The Time Is At Hand, Foreword, p 2, 1916)
1916 We see no reason for doubting, therefore, that the Times of the Gentiles ended in October, 1914; and that a few more years will witness their utter collapse and the full establishment of God's kingdom in the hands of Messiah." (Watchtower Reprints, VI, Sept 1, 1916, p. 5950)
1917 'There will be no slip-up...Abraham should enter upon the actual possession of his promised inheritance in the year 1925' (Watchtower Oct. 15, 1917, p. 6157)
1917 The Spring of 1918 will bring upon Christendom a spasm of anguish greater even than that experienced in the Fall of 1914.... The travail that is coming is to be upon nominal Zion- "Christendom" … "Babylon"; and it will be a great and sore affliction- "A Time of Trouble such as was not since there was a nation." (The Finished Mystery p. 62 [stated to be the "Posthumous Work of Pastor Russell" on p. 2])
1917 'No doubt Satan believed the Millennial Kingdom was due to be set-up in 1915...Be that as it may, there is evidence that the establishment of the Kingdom in Palestine will probably be in 1925, ten years later than we once calculated.' (Studies In The Scriptures, Vol 7, The Finished Mystery, p. 128)
1917 Some interesting developments in connection with the setting up of the Kingdom may occur in 1920, six years after the great Time of Trouble began. It would not be strange if this were so, when we recall that after forty years wandering in the wilderness the Israelites came into possession of the land of Canaan after a further six years. As these matters are still future we can but wait to see. We anticipate that the "earthquake" will occur early in 1918, and that the "fire" will come in the fall of 1920. [The Finished Mystery, 1917, p. 178, Comments on Revelation 11:13. [The 1926 ed. reads: "and that the 'fire' will follow in due course."])
1917 "And the mountains were not found. Even the republics will disappear in the fall of 1920. And the mountains were not found. Every kingdom of earth will pass away, be swallowed up in anarchy." (The Finished Mystery, 1917 edition, p. 258)
1917 Pastor Russell's mission, in large part, was to advise Christendom of its impending end, in the time of world-wide trouble. It is the Divine judgment upon the nations. … There will be no chance of escaping from destruction, through the nations. … The trouble is due to the dawning of the Day of Christ, the Millennium. It is the Day of Vengeance, which began in the world war of 1914 and which will break like a furious morning storm in 1918." (The Finished Mystery, 1917, p. 404)
1917 "Until 1878 the nominal church had been in a sense God's sanctuary or temple; but He was from then on, culminating in 1918, to remove it with a stroke or plague of erroneous doctrines and deeds Divinely permitted. The Church was the strength of Christendom, that about which its life centered, and around which its institutions were built. It was the desire of the eyes of the people, that which all Christians loved. Nevertheless, God was to make manifest the profanation which ecclesiasticism had made of the Christian Church, and to cause the church organizations to become to Him as one dead, an unclean thing, not to be touched, or mourned. And the 'children of the church' shall perish by the sword of war, revolution and anarchy, and by the Sword of the Spirit be made to see that they have lost their hope of life on the spirit plane -- that 'the door is shut."' (Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 7, 1917 p. 484.)
1917 Also, in the year 1918, when God destroys the churches wholesale and the church members by million, it shall be that any that escape shall come to the works of Pastor Russell to learn the meaning of the downfall of Christianity. (The Finished Mystery, 1917 edition, p. 485)
1917 As the fleshly-minded apostates from Christianity, siding with the radicals and revolutionaries, will rejoice at the inheritance of desolation that will be Christendom's after 1918, so will God do to the successful revolutionary movement; it shall be utterly desolated, "even all of it." Not one vestige of it shall survive the ravages of world-wide all embracing anarchy, in the fall of 1920. (Rev. II: 7-13) (The Finished Mystery, 1917, p. 542, [The 1926 ed. reads: "in the end of the time of trouble."])
1917 This vision of the prophet Ezekiel depicts the established theocratic Kingdom of God on earth, civil and religious, spiritual and earthly. . . . The Temple . . . is a type and symbol of "better things to come," after the wars, revolutions and anarchy of the period from 1914 to 1925 have passed. (The Finished Mystery, 1917, p. 569 [The 1926 ed. reads: "of the time of trouble have passed."])
1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection." (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89)
1920 '...we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected' (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 1920, p. 88)
1920 "A simple calculation of these jubilees brings us to this important fact: Seventy jubilees of fifty years each would be a total of 3500 years. That period of time beginning 1575 before A.D. 1 of necessity would end in the fall of 1925, at which time the type ends and the great antitype must begin. What, then, should we expect to take palace? In the type there must be a full restoration; beginning of restoration of all things. The chief thing to be restored is the human race to life; and since other Scriptures definitely fix the fact that there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other faithful ones of old, and that these will have the first favor, we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men and Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth. (Millions now living will never die, 1920 p 89-90)
1920 'Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old' (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 1920, p. 89-90)
1920 "Based upon the argument heretofore set forth, then, that the old order of things, the old world, is ending and is therefore passing away, and that the new order is coming in, and that 1925 shall mark the resurrection of the faithful worthies of old and the beginning of reconstruction, it is reasonable to conclude that millions of people now on the earth will be still on the earth in 1925. Then, based upon the promises set forth in the divine Word, we must reach the positive and indisputable conclusion that millions now living will never die." (Millions Now Living Will Never Die. 1920 p. 97)
1921 "'The time of the end' embraces a period from 1799 A.D., as above indicated, to the time of the complete overthrow of Satan's empire and the establishment of the kingdom of the Messiah. The time of the Lord's second presence dates from 1874, as above stated. The latter period is within the first named, of course, and in the latter part of the period known as "the time of the end." (The Harp of God, 1921 p. 236)
1921 "In Biblical symbology a time means a year of twelve months of thirty days each, or 360 days. Each day is considered for a year... Here are mentioned, then, three and a half times of 360 prophetic days each, or a total of 1260 prophetic days, equal to 1260 years. The Prophet then was shown that 1260 years would mark the beginning of the time of the end of this beastly order. Twelve-hundred sixty years from A.D. 539 brings us to 1799 -- another proof that 1799 marks the beginning of the 'time of the end.' This also shows that it is from the date 539 A.D. that the other prophetic days of Daniel must be counted." … "The most important thing to which all the prophecies point and for which the apostles looked forward has been the second coming of the Lord. It is described by the Prophet as a blessed time. Daniel then says: 'Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.' (Daniel 12:12). The watchers here, without question are those who were instructed by the Lord to watch for his return. This date, therefore, when understood, would certainly fix the time when the Lord is due at his second appearing. Applying the same rule, then, of a day for a year, 1335 days after 539 A.D. brings us to A.D. 1874, at which time, according to Biblical chronology, the Lord's second presence is due. If this calculation is correct, from that time forward we ought to be able to find some evidences marking the Lord's presence."(Harp of God, 1921, pp. 229-230.)
1921 "The natural harvest was used by the Lord to illustrate his harvest of Christians. In the Jewish natural harvest it was customary to glean the field after the regular harvest was over. We should therefore expect to find a harvest period from 1878 to 1918, and thereafter for a time a gleaning work to be done, which we will indicate. The question now is, Do we find a period of harvest in the gospel age after 1874 which serves as a fulfillment of the prophecy of the Lord?" (Studies in the Scriptures, Volume 7 1921, p. 236.)
1921 "The same year, 1881, is prophetically marked as the time for the final withdrawal of favor from the churches, a favor which had begun to be withdrawn in 1878 -- the year in which the clergy were cast off as representatives of the Divine Word, and when Pastor Russell began his work by the publication of 50,000 copies of Object and Manner of the Lord's Return. In 1878 the stewardship of the things of God, the teaching of Bible truths, was taken from the clergy, unfaithful to their age long stewardship, and given to Pastor Russell. In the interim, until 1881, the new steward was setting the things in order, getting the truths of the Bible in logical and Scriptural form for presentation, until the last great item of the Hebrew tabernacle types, was ready. Then, in 1881, he became God's watchman for all Christendom, and began his gigantic work of Witness." (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 7, pp. 386-387 1921)
1921 "The Scriptures disclose a complete parallel concerning the Jewish and gospel ages. The parallel exists with reference to time as well as events. The Jewish age ended with a harvest, which harvest began with the ascension of our Lord in the year A.D. 33. By the term 'harvest' here used is meant the gathering of the remnant of the Jews to Christ. Jesus' statement plainly is that the gospel age will end with a harvest, during which time he would be present, directing the work of that harvest. In the earth three and a half years from the time of his consecration and baptism, Jesus was preparing the Jews for the harvest of that age. We should expect to find a parallel of this reference to the harvest of the gospel age, and we do find it. Counting three and a half years from 1874, the time of his presence, brings us to 1878. During the presence of the Lord from 1874 to 1878 he was making preparation for the harvest of the gospel age. The Jewish harvest covered a period of forty years, ending in A.D. 73. We should expect, then, the general harvest of the gospel age to end in 1918." (Harp of God, 1921, pp. 235-236, 1921)
1922 "The period must end in 1925. The type ending, the antitype must begin; and therefore 1925 is definitely fixed in the scriptures. every thinking person can see that a great climax is at hand. The Scriptures clearly indicate that the climax is the fall of Satan's empire and the full establishment of the Messianic kingdom. This climax being reached by 1925, and that marking the beginning of the fulfillment of the long promised blessings of life to the people, millions now living on earth will be living then and those who obey the righteous laws of the new arrangement will live forever. Therefore it can be confidently said at this time that millions now living will never die." (Golden Age, Jan. 4, 1922, p. 217)
1922 "The indisputable facts, therefore, show that the "time of the end" began in 1799; that the Lord's second presence began in 1874." (The Watchtower, March 1, 1922)
1922 "We have no doubt whatever in regard to the chronology relating to the dates of 1874, 1914, 1918, and 1925. It was on this line of reckoning that the dates 1874, 1914, and 1918 were located; and the Lord has placed the stamp of his seal upon 1914 and 1918 beyond any possibility of erasure. What further evidence do we need? Using this same measuring line.... it is an easy matter to locate 1925, probably in the fall, for the beginning of the antitypical jubilee. There can be no more question about 1925 than there was about 1914." (Watchtower, p. 150, May 15, 1922)
1922 "It is on the basis of such and so many correspondencies -- in accordance with the soundest laws known to science- that we affirm that, Scripturally, scientifically, and historically, present-truth chronology is correct beyond a doubt. Its reliability has been abundantly confirmed by the dates and events of 1874, 1914, and 1918. Present-truth chronology is a secure basis on which the consecrated child of God may endeavor to search out things to come." (Watchtower, June 15 1922)
1922 "This chronology is not of man, but of God. Being of divine origin and divinely corroborated, present-truth chronology stands in a class by itself, absolutely and unqualifiedly correct...." (Watchtower, July 15, 1922 p. 217)
1922 '1914 ended the Gentile Times...The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures...by then the great crisis will be reached and probably passed' (Watchtower Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262)
1923 '1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures...the Christian has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had (so far as the Scriptures reveal) upon which to base his faith in the coming deluge' (Watchtower April 1, 1923, p. 106)
1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge." (Watchtower, p. 106, March 1, 1923)
1924 "No doubt many boys and girls who read this book will live to see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Daniel, and those other men of old come forth in the glory of their better resurrection, of perfect in mind and body. It will not take long for Christ to appoint them to their post of honor and authority as his earthly representatives. The world and all the present conveniences will seen strange to them at first, but they will soon become accustomed to the new methods. They may have some amusing experiences at first; for they never saw telephones, radios, automobiles, electric lights, aeroplanes, steam engines, and many other things so familiar to us. (The Way To Paradise, 1924, p. 226)
1924 "Surely there is not the slightest room for doubt in the mind of a truly consecrated child of God that the Lord Jesus is present and has been since 1874." (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1924, p5)
1924 "The year 1925 is a date definitely and clearly marked in Scriptures, even more clearly than that of 1914. (Watchtower 1924, p. 211)
1924 "We cannot be blamed for presenting from the Scriptures such evidence as they afford which leads us to believe that a certain event will take place at a given time. Some times the Lord has let His people looking for the right thing at the wrong time, and more frequently they have looked for the wrong things at the right time. But all the enemies of the cause of present truth in the earth are fervently hoping that the Bible students will not be so successful in 1925 in looking for the right thing at the right time as they were in 1914. if they are, however, it will be the other fellow that will have to do the explaining, and not we." (The Golden Age, Feb. 13, 1924, p. 314)
1925 "It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated, the thought that 1925 should see an end to the work." (Watchtower, Sept. 1925, p. 262)
1925 "The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything." (Watchtower 1925, p. 56)
1925 "The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year." (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1925, p. 3)
1926 "Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything." (Watchtower 1926 p. 232.)
1927 The Scriptural proof is that the period of his presence and the day of God's preparation is a period from 1874 A.D. forward. The second coming of the Lord, therefore, began in 1874; and that date and the years 1914 and 1918 are specially marked dates with reference to his coming. (Creation; 1927; p. 289 early editions, p310 later editions)
1927 Prophecy can not be understood until it has been fulfilled or is in the course of fulfillment. From 1874 to 1914 the prophecy concerning the Lord's coming was being fulfilled and could be understood, and was understood, by those who were faithful to the Lord and who were watching the development of events, but not by others. (Creation; 1927; p. 290)
1927 "Napoleon began this Egyptian campaign in 1798, finished it, and then returned to France on October 1, 1799. The campaign is briefly , yet graphically described in the prophecy, verses 40-44; and its being completed in 1799 marks, according to the prophet's own words, the beginning of "the time of the end." (Creation; 1927; p. 293)
1927 "Twelve hundred and sixty years from 539 A.D. brings us to 1799, which is another proof that 1799 definitely marks the beginning of "the time of the end." this also shows that it is from the date 539 A.D. that the other prophetic days of Daniel must be counted." (Creation; 1927, p. 294)
1927 Applying the same rule then, of a day for a year, 1335 days after 539 A.D. brings us to 1874 A.D. at which time, according to Biblical chronology, the Lord's second presence was due. (Creation; 1927; p. 298)
1928 "The time of the Lord's second presence dates from 1874, as above stated." (The Harp of God p. 236, 1928 edition!)
1929 "Both the grantor and the grantee are fully persuaded from the Bible testimony which is the word of Jehovah God and from extraneous evidence that God's Kingdom is now in the course of establishment and that it will result beneficially for the peoples of earth; that the governing power and authority will be invisible to men but that the kingdom of God will have visible representatives on the earth who will have charge of the affairs of the nations under supervision of the invisible ruler, Christ. That among those who will be thus the faithful representatives and visible governors of the world will be David, who was once King over Israel; and Gideon, and Barak, and Samson, and Jepthai, and Joseph, formerly ruler of Egypt, and Samuel the prophet and other faithful men named with approval in the Bible at Hebrews 11th. chapter." (Original legal deed to Beth Sarim, Rutherford, 1929)
1929 'If these prophesies have not been fulfilled, and if all possibility of fulfilment is past, then these prophets are proven false.' (Prophecy, 1929, p 22)
1929 "The Scriptural proof is that the second presence of the Lord Jesus Christ began in 1874 A.D." (Prophecy, 1929, p. 65)
1929 Many of such had been looking for the Lord to come and take them to heaven, and had particularly fixed the year 1914 as when this should be done. The year 1914 was a marked date; but these had merely contemplated something to happen which did not come to pass. (Prophecy; 1929; 1,589,000 ed.; p. 89)
1930 "But how will you identify King David or any of the other representatives from God?' Rutherford was asked. 'I thought all that out before I wrote the deed,' the judge replied with a twinkle in his gray eyes. 'I realized the possibility of some old codger turning up bright and early some morning and declaring he was David. The men whom I have designated to test the identity of these men are officers of my societies and have consecrated themselves to the Lord, they will be divinely authorized to know impostors from the real princes."' (The San Diego Sun, Saturday, March 15, 1930)
1930 Judge Joseph Frederick Rutherford 60, lives in a ten room Spanish mansion, No 4440 Braeburn Rd, San Diego, Calif. Last week he deeded No 4440 Braeburn Road, and adjacent two car garage and a pair of automobiles to King David, Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthae, Samuel and sundry other mighties of ancient Palestine. Positive is he that they are shortly to reappear on earth, Said he: 'I have purposely landscaped the place with palm and olive trees so that these princes of the universe will feel at home.. (Time Magazine, March 31, 1930)
1930 "The Watchtower, and its companion publications of the society, for forty years emphasized that fact that 1914 would witness the establishment of God's kingdom and the complete glorification of the church. During that period of forty years God's people on earth were carrying on a witness work, which work was foreshadowed by Elijah and John the Baptist. all of the lords people looked forward to 1914 with joyful expectation. when that time came and passed there was much disappointment, chagrin and mourning, and the lords people were greatly in reproach. they were ridiculed by the clergy and their allies in particular, and pointed to with scorn, because they had said so much about 1914, and what would come to pass, and their prophecies had not been fulfilled. (Light, Book 1, 1930, p. 194)
1930 "The great climax is at hand. The kings of earth now set themselves against his anointed Stone." (J.F. Rutherford, Light, II, 1930 p. 327)
1931 "God's faithful people on earth emphasized the importance of the dates 1914 and 1918 and 1925. They had much to say about these dates and what would come to pass, but all they predicted did not come to pass." (Vindication, vol. 1, 1931, p. 146)
1931 "God's kingdom has begun to operate. His day of vengeance is here and Armageddon is at hand and certain to fall upon Christendom and that within an early date. God's judgment is upon Christendom and must shortly be executed." (J. F. Rutherford, Vindication, Vol. I, p. 147, 1931)
1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1914, 1918 and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time. Later the faithful learned that these dates were definitely fixed in the Scriptures; and they also learned to quit fixing dates for the future and predicting what would come to pass on a certain date, but to rely (and they do rely) upon the Word of God as to the events that must come to pass. (J. F. Rutherford, Vindication, 1931, p. 338-339)
1931 A gaunt unshaven tramp has been the lone claimant for the $75,000 Southern Californian mansion of David, king of Israel, since it was deeded to the Biblical character a year ago. This was revealed today by Judge James Rutherford, temporary owner of the luxuriantly furnished Spanish type mansion at 440 Braeburn Rd in the exclusive Kensington Heights district. In one of the oddest deeds ever recorded, Rutherford, president of the International Bible Students Association and the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, has placed in trust the magnificent estate for ancient kings and prophets of Israel The slayer of Goliath and his companions may occupy the 10 room modern home with it's landscaped gardens and patio as soon as their credentials are approved by Rutherford and officials of his societies, divinely authorised to recognise them. One morning as I was going from the house to the garage, a queer looking creature approached me, tipped his dirty hat and cried 'Howdy Judge, I'm David' 'Go and tell that to the winds', I told him and he left without arguing the matter. I could see at a glance that he was not David. He didn't look like I knew David would look.' Asked how he expected David and his distinguished brethren to look, Rutherford, without hesitation, opened his huge Bible and pointed to a verse which said that the Princes of the Universe would be risen from the dead 'as perfect men'. 'I interpret that to mean', the tall dignified Judge declared, 'that David, Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jepthae, Joseph and Samuel will be sent here to wrench the world from Satan's grasp, clothed in modern garb as we are, and able, with little effort, to speak our tongue.' Rutherford pictured the arrival of the biblical delegation perhaps in frock coats, high hats, canes and spats. At Beth Sarim (House of Princes) as Rutherford has named his mansion, David will find the most modern appliances that science has devised. When the distinguished guests walk up the circular stairway to the second floor, they will find a large office with red leather chairs and shiny flat topped desk with inverted lighting. Even French telephones await the touch of the princes. Opening a wide door, the native sons of Palestine will behold a large bathroom, resplendent in shiny black tile with needle shower and an amply filled medicine chest. What a thrill giant shouldered Samson, who wrecked a palace with his bare fists might find in the gold safety razor and strop! Rutherford built the second floor bedroom, which he temporarily occupies, large in order to accommodate several of the expected owners. With wide pane windows that look out on the purple Cuyamacas to the East and California's first mission to the north, the bedroom is almost severe in it's furnishings. The rulers of the universe will have simple tastes, the judge apparently believes, although the austere end tables sported gaily covered fiction magazines. Rutherford has imported some Koniach, Wasser from Cologne, Germany to freshen the
 
Re: TRES cosas para saber si perternezco a una falsa iglesia.

HASTA QUE DIOS NO TE REVELE A SU HIJO , NO ESTAS EN LA IGLESIA DE JESUS, SORRY

NI PASTORES NI IGLESIAS TE LO PUEDEN REVELAR ,SOLO DIOS
Manuel96, saludos.
Dices:
HASTA QUE DIOS NO TE REVELE A SU HIJO , NO ESTAS EN LA IGLESIA DE JESUS, SORRY

NI PASTORES NI IGLESIAS TE LO PUEDEN REVELAR ,SOLO DIOS
Me parece que cuando contestas, lo haces sin pensar en las escritura. Permíteme preguntarte: ¿El apóstol pablo, conocía bien a Jesucristo? contestarás SÍ, ¿Pablo se hallaba en la Iglesia de Jesús?, contestarás SÍ. Correcto, entonces... ¿Porqué Pablo subió a Jerusalén a consultar con los apóstoles y ancianos, con respecto al asunto de la circuncisión?, si era de la iglesia de Cristo, ¿porque no esperó que Dios LE REVELE LAS COSAS que le inquietaban? y ¿fue a consultar a hombres?. ¿Podrás dar una respuesta coherente para ver si tienes razón?

saludos
 
Re: TRES cosas para saber si perternezco a una falsa iglesia.

Manuel96, saludos.
Dices:

Me parece que cuando contestas, lo haces sin pensar en las escritura. Permíteme preguntarte: ¿El apóstol pablo, conocía bien a Jesucristo? contestarás SÍ, ¿Pablo se hallaba en la Iglesia de Jesús?, contestarás SÍ. Correcto, entonces... ¿Porqué Pablo subió a Jerusalén a consultar con los apóstoles y ancianos, con respecto al asunto de la circuncisión?, si era de la iglesia de Cristo, ¿porque no esperó que Dios LE REVELE LAS COSAS que le inquietaban? y ¿fue a consultar a hombres?. ¿Podrás dar una respuesta coherente para ver si tienes razón?

saludos

O esta otra:
Hechos 15:24
Por cuanto hemos oído que algunos que han salido de nosotros, a los cuales no dimos orden,
os han inquietado con palabras, perturbando vuestras almas, mandando circuncidaros y guardar la ley,
 
Re: TRES cosas para saber si perternezco a una falsa iglesia.

¿Pablo fue a "consultar...."??????


NO leo eso en NINGUN Lado.....

LO que si se podria decir, es que Pablo fue a intentar arreglar un problema que estaba causando division; unos decian que los gentiles tenian que circuncidarse, y otros, como Pablo, que no....

Pablo no va a consultar, por que Pablo estaba Claro del tema... LO que sucede es que el liderazgo de aquellos que optaban por exigir la circunsicion, se encontraban en Jerusalem.... Y obviamente, allí había que ir, para que ESOS que estaban exigiendo tal cosa, decidieran dejar de hacerlo... Y lo notable, es que el testimonio de la Obra del Eterno entre los gentiles, y LAS ESCRITURAS, fue lo que ayudó a que aquelos lideres de Jerusalem, optaran por un entendimiento diferente.

¿Que aquellos eran el CG y el EFD de aquel tiempo, es una patraña, que se derrumba solo con una simple reflexión;

Si Santiago, Pedro y demas, eran ese CG y EFD, ¿Por que Pablo NO se dirige allí, a consultarlos a ellos, y ser instruidos por ello, y ponerse bajo su autoridad, a la hora de la revelacion que recibe del Mesias...?

¿No lo hace verdad? Pues no, se va a ARabia, se pasa TRES años allí, y se regresa a DAMASCO;

no me apresuré a consultar con carne y sangre. 17Tampoco subí a Jerusalén para ver a los que eran apóstoles antes que yo; sino que fui a Arabia y volví de nuevo a Damasco.

...y NI siquiera se reune con el CG para que le "encomendara" su mision a los gentiles, sino que solo saluda a dos apóstoles, y sigue su Obra, sin contar con NADIE.... Y deja claro que NADA recibió de los apostoles

¿Donde está la sujeción de Pablo al CG del I siglo Cueva?

!Por NIngun lado!

Solo que como acostumbras, descontextualizas TODO, incluso la historia claramente relatada en La Palabra...

Por cierto, al parecer quedaste como "deshonesto compulsivo" en el tema "Para Pedro Cueva" pues quedó demostrado que yo NUNCA ni siquiera insinué que hubiese sido TJ, y sin embargo cortaste mi mensaje, para que pareciera que yo sí lo habia dicho... ¿No te da verguenza que la gente conozca tan feas y sucias actitudes de su persona...?

!Ya se que no, por que su verguenza era verde, y se la comienron los carneros...! (ja ja)

!Que tengas un lindo dia! !Y sal de la Cueva, que yo no muerdo!
 
Re: TRES cosas para saber si perternezco a una falsa iglesia.

Manuel96, saludos.
Dices:

Me parece que cuando contestas, lo haces sin pensar en las escritura. Permíteme preguntarte: ¿El apóstol pablo, conocía bien a Jesucristo? contestarás SÍ, ¿Pablo se hallaba en la Iglesia de Jesús?, contestarás SÍ. Correcto, entonces... ¿Porqué Pablo subió a Jerusalén a consultar con los apóstoles y ancianos, con respecto al asunto de la circuncisión?, si era de la iglesia de Cristo, ¿porque no esperó que Dios LE REVELE LAS COSAS que le inquietaban? y ¿fue a consultar a hombres?. ¿Podrás dar una respuesta coherente para ver si tienes razón?

saludos

Disculpa, se me olvidó señalarle, que Pablo pasó 14 AÑOS sin ir a Jerusalem, donde radicaba tu imaginario EFD, y que afirmó que de ellos NADA aprendió....

!Parece que a tu EFD se le olvido darle el "alimento a tiempo apropiado" a la ovejita Pablo...!
 
Re: TRES cosas para saber si perternezco a una falsa iglesia.

Disculpa, se me olvidó señalarle, que Pablo pasó 14 AÑOS sin ir a Jerusalem, donde radicaba tu imaginario EFD, y que afirmó que de ellos NADA aprendió....

!Parece que a tu EFD se le olvido darle el "alimento a tiempo apropiado" a la ovejita Pablo...!

Aqui el pasaje;

18Después, pasados tres años, subí a Jerusalén para ver a Pedro y permanecí con él quince días; 19pero no vi a ningún otro de los apóstoles, sino a Jacobo el hermano del Señor. 20En esto que os escribo, os aseguro delante de Dios que no miento.
21Después fui a las regiones de Siria y de Cilicia; 22pero no me conocían personalmente las iglesias de Judea que están en Cristo, 23pues solo habían oído decir: «Aquel que en otro tiempo nos perseguía, ahora predica la fe que en otro tiempo combatía». 24Y glorificaban a Dios a causa de mí.
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1Después, pasados catorce años, subí otra vez a Jerusalén con Bernabé, llevando también conmigo a Tito. 2Subí debido a una revelación y, para no correr o haber corrido en vano, expuse en privado a los que tenían cierta reputación, el evangelio que predico entre los gentiles. 3Pero ni aun Tito, que estaba conmigo, con todo y ser griego, fue obligado a circuncidarse, 4a pesar de los falsos hermanos que se habían introducido entre nosotros a escondidas, para espiar nuestra libertad—la que tenemos en Cristo Jesús—, para reducirnos a esclavitud. 5A los tales ni por un momento accedimos a someternos, para que la verdad del evangelio permaneciera con vosotros.
6Pero de los que tenían reputación de ser algo (lo que hayan sido en otro tiempo nada me importa; Dios no hace acepción de personas), a mí, pues, los de reputación nada nuevo me comunicaron. 7Antes por el contrario, como vieron que me había sido encomendado el evangelio de la incircuncisión, como a Pedro el de la circuncisión 8(pues el que actuó en Pedro para el apostolado de la circuncisión actuó también en mí para con los gentiles), 9y reconociendo la gracia que me había sido dada, Jacobo, Cefas y Juan, que eran considerados como columnas, nos dieron a mí y a Bernabé la diestra en señal de compañerismo, para que nosotros fuéramos a los gentiles y ellos a los de la circuncisión. 10Solamente nos pidieron que nos acordáramos de los pobres; lo cual también me apresuré a cumplir con diligencia.
 
Re: TRES cosas para saber si perternezco a una falsa iglesia.

¿Pablo fue a "consultar...."??????


NO leo eso en NINGUN Lado.....

LO que si se podria decir, es que Pablo fue a intentar arreglar un problema que estaba causando division; unos decian que los gentiles tenian que circuncidarse, y otros, como Pablo, que no....

Pablo no va a consultar, por que Pablo estaba Claro del tema... LO que sucede es que el liderazgo de aquellos que optaban por exigir la circunsicion, se encontraban en Jerusalem.... Y obviamente, allí había que ir, para que ESOS que estaban exigiendo tal cosa, decidieran dejar de hacerlo... Y lo notable, es que el testimonio de la Obra del Eterno entre los gentiles, y LAS ESCRITURAS, fue lo que ayudó a que aquelos lideres de Jerusalem, optaran por un entendimiento diferente.

¿Que aquellos eran el CG y el EFD de aquel tiempo, es una patraña, que se derrumba solo con una simple reflexión;

Si Santiago, Pedro y demas, eran ese CG y EFD, ¿Por que Pablo NO se dirige allí, a consultarlos a ellos, y ser instruidos por ello, y ponerse bajo su autoridad, a la hora de la revelacion que recibe del Mesias...?

¿No lo hace verdad? Pues no, se va a ARabia, se pasa TRES años allí, y se regresa a DAMASCO;

no me apresuré a consultar con carne y sangre. 17Tampoco subí a Jerusalén para ver a los que eran apóstoles antes que yo; sino que fui a Arabia y volví de nuevo a Damasco.

...y NI siquiera se reune con el CG para que le "encomendara" su mision a los gentiles, sino que solo saluda a dos apóstoles, y sigue su Obra, sin contar con NADIE.... Y deja claro que NADA recibió de los apostoles

¿Donde está la sujeción de Pablo al CG del I siglo Cueva?

!Por NIngun lado!

Solo que como acostumbras, descontextualizas TODO, incluso la historia claramente relatada en La Palabra...

Por cierto, al parecer quedaste como "deshonesto compulsivo" en el tema "Para Pedro Cueva" pues quedó demostrado que yo NUNCA ni siquiera insinué que hubiese sido TJ, y sin embargo cortaste mi mensaje, para que pareciera que yo sí lo habia dicho... ¿No te da verguenza que la gente conozca tan feas y sucias actitudes de su persona...?

!Ya se que no, por que su verguenza era verde, y se la comienron los carneros...! (ja ja)

!Que tengas un lindo dia! !Y sal de la Cueva, que yo no muerdo!

Hombre Davidben.... la cosa ya va mejor para usted, felicidades por ello.