¿Puede un cristiano tener demonios? Sí O NO; Y POR QUE

Re: ¿Puede un cristiano tener demonios? Sí O NO; Y POR QUE

La filosofía de que los demonios entran en el creyente y son origen de todos sus males es propia de los grupos neo.carismáticos y constituye junto con algunas otras falsas doctrinas más, uno de los distintivos de estos grupos neoevangélicos.

Es de hecho una forma de control bastante encubierta la que hacen con esto de pretender que los cristianos tengan demonio dentro, pero es una forma de control finalmente sobre sus adeptos, que crecen por cierto, a una velocidad logarítmica.

Para los neo.carismáticos, ellos y solo ellos “entienden de estas cosas” (refiriéndose a cosas como expulsar demonios de cristianos, tirarse al piso, perder el control, hacer ruidos ó convulsionar); y tienen –dese luego- el remedio espiritual para tratar los casos de endemoniamiento (cristianos supuestamente incluidos).

Cuando se les cuestiona al respecto –sus líderes son incuestionables, quasi héroes- y si se les confronta con la Palabra de Dios, suelen decir, refiriéndose a los cristianos evangélicos, que son religiosos. Ese es su "argumento" ¡y se lo creen!

Esto que a todas luces es una manipulación y un evidente donatismo, les hace creer que son espiritualmente de un grado superior, incluso creen que ellos si fueron bautizados por el Espíritu Santo, en cambio otros cristianos no; o bien alegan que unos tienen la llenura del Espíritu Santo, y los otros no, divide al cuerpo de Cristo en dos clases de cristianos: los “espirituales” (ellos) y los “religiosos” ("los “otros”).

Pero hay muchas, muchas cosas que separan del cristianismo evangélico a los neo.carismáticos y no se trata precisamente de ser "espirituales" vs ser "religiosos":

http://forocristiano.iglesia.net/showthread.php/50446-FALSAS-ENSEÑANZAS-NEOCARISMATICAS

Saludos.
 
Re: ¿Puede un cristiano tener demonios? Sí O NO; Y POR QUE

La filosofía de que los demonios entran en el creyente y son origen de todos sus males es propia de los grupos neo.carismáticos y constituye junto con algunas otras falsas doctrinas más, uno de los distintivos de estos grupos neoevangélicos.

Es de hecho una forma de control bastante encubierta la que hacen con esto de pretender que los cristianos tengan demonio dentro, pero es una forma de control finalmente sobre sus adeptos, que crecen por cierto, a una velocidad logarítmica.

Para los neo.carismáticos, ellos y solo ellos “entienden de estas cosas” (refiriéndose a cosas como expulsar demonios de cristianos, tirarse al piso, perder el control, hacer ruidos ó convulsionar); y tienen –dese luego- el remedio espiritual para tratar los casos de endemoniamiento (cristianos supuestamente incluidos).

Cuando se les cuestiona al respecto –sus líderes son incuestionables, quasi héroes- y si se les confronta con la Palabra de Dios, suelen decir, refiriéndose a los cristianos evangélicos, que son religiosos. Ese es su "argumento" ¡y se lo creen!

Esto que a todas luces es una manipulación y un evidente donatismo, les hace creer que son espiritualmente de un grado superior, incluso creen que ellos si fueron bautizados por el Espíritu Santo, en cambio otros cristianos no; o bien alegan que unos tienen la llenura del Espíritu Santo, y los otros no, divide al cuerpo de Cristo en dos clases de cristianos: los “espirituales” (ellos) y los “religiosos” ("los “otros”).

Pero hay muchas, muchas cosas que separan del cristianismo evangélico a los neo.carismáticos y no se trata precisamente de ser "espirituales" vs ser "religiosos":

http://forocristiano.iglesia.net/showthread.php/50446-FALSAS-ENSEÑANZAS-NEOCARISMATICAS

Saludos.

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El antídoto para ese disparatado veneno, es la palabra de su gracia, el evangelio revelado.
 
Re: ¿Puede un cristiano tener demonios? Sí O NO; Y POR QUE

Amados santos de Dios

Me parece que los que creen que un cristiano puede ser endemoniado están confundiendo los términos… y me refiero a posesión demoniaca e influencia demoniaca

Cuando la Biblia habla de los endemoniados, da a entender que se trata de una persona en quien uno o más demonios han hecho morada en el… y que ya adentro de dicha persona ejercen control e influencia directa sobre ella… causando ciertos trastornos en el espíritu, alma y cuerpo, es decir en la totalidad del ser.

¡A estos la Biblia le llama endemoniados!

Pero es diferente a la influencia o la actividad que un demonio pueda realizar en relación con una persona creyente o no creyente… porque esta influencia es por fuera… pero el endemoniado tiene influencia por dentro.

Con eso en mente… podemos relacionar rápidamente los versículos donde David es incitado por Satanás a censar el pueblo… la recomendación de Pedro… y porque no…lo que le ocurrió a Ananías

Hermanos… un creyente verdadero no puede ser poseído por un demonio… porque el creyente verdadero tiene al Espíritu Santo morando en su vida.

¡El Espíritu Santo no puede compartir la morada con un demonio!

Aunque si puede ser influenciado por él

Paz de Cristo
 
Re: ¿Puede un cristiano tener demonios? Sí O NO; Y POR QUE

No se puede ser cristiano y ser "hacedor de maldad"; como no se puede tenera al Espíritu Santo y demonios, ni luz y oscuridad, Dios y Belial.

Por favor,

Ya entinéndanlo.

Saludos.

No has leido amado?

<DIR>1Ti 4:1 El Espíritu Santo ha dicho claramente que en los últimos tiempos algunas personas dejarán de confiar en Dios. Serán engañadas por espíritus mentirosos y obedecerán enseñanzas de demonios.


Mat 13:38 El campo es el mundo; la buena semilla son los hijos del reino, y la cizaña son los hijos del malo.

Mat 8:12 mas los hijos del reino serán echados a las tinieblas de afuera; allí será el lloro y el crujir de dientes.
</DIR>


Luis Alberto42
 
Re: ¿Puede un cristiano tener demonios? Sí O NO; Y POR QUE

Amados santos de Dios

Me parece que los que creen que un cristiano puede ser endemoniado están confundiendo los términos… y me refiero a posesión demoniaca e influencia demoniaca

Cuando la Biblia habla de los endemoniados, da a entender que se trata de una persona en quien uno o más demonios han hecho morada en el… y que ya adentro de dicha persona ejercen control e influencia directa sobre ella… causando ciertos trastornos en el espíritu, alma y cuerpo, es decir en la totalidad del ser.

¡A estos la Biblia le llama endemoniados!

Pero es diferente a la influencia o la actividad que un demonio pueda realizar en relación con una persona creyente o no creyente… porque esta influencia es por fuera… pero el endemoniado tiene influencia por dentro.

Con eso en mente… podemos relacionar rápidamente los versículos donde David es incitado por Satanás a censar el pueblo… la recomendación de Pedro… y porque no…lo que le ocurrió a Ananías

Hermanos… un creyente verdadero no puede ser poseído por un demonio… porque el creyente verdadero tiene al Espíritu Santo morando en su vida.

¡El Espíritu Santo no puede compartir la morada con un demonio!

Aunque si puede ser influenciado por él

Paz de Cristo
muy acertado tu aporte en mi opinión estimado vayikra!

Creo entender en este tema que existe una diferencia notable entre 3 tipos de cristianos:

1.- el cristiano verdadero
2.- el falso convertido: que si es muy probable que se le metan los demonios
3.- el incrédulo: que cree por la misma incredulidad que tiene demonios

que piensan?

Paz del Señor a todos!
 
Re: ¿Puede un cristiano tener demonios? Sí O NO; Y POR QUE

2.- el falso convertido: que si es muy probable que se le metan los demonios.

Paz del Señor a todos!

¿Benny Hinn...? ¿William Soto Santiago...? ¿Bramham...? ¿Roberto Lugo...?

¿A cual de ellos...?
 
Re: Apreciado hermano Hernández

Re: Apreciado hermano Hernández

¿Me puedes decir que tiene que ver lo que digo con lo que dices y todo esto con que el diablo se puede meter en un cristiano?

Nada.

Saludos.

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Re: ¿Puede un cristiano tener demonios? Sí O NO; Y POR QUE

Estimdo rey pacifico.

Aqui tu mismo te respondes.

Un cristiano no puede tener demonios.

En el caso de Saul, él tenia el espírtu de Jehová y no tenia demonios, pero luego el espiritu de Jehová se apartó de él; y entonces y solo entonces un espiritu malo de párte de Jehová lo atormentó; antes no.

¿Lo ves? tú mismo lo reconoces: con mayor literalidad "imposibloe de buscar"

Saludos.

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mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:50%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> A ver, ¿no sabes leer o te haces? Dime cuando en el NT se le llama ángel a un demonio. Y dime cual es la base bíblica para asegurar que Dios les envía demonios a los santos, para algún propósito.

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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> [FONT=&quot]1Sa 16:14[/FONT][FONT=&quot] But the Spirit<sup>H7307</sup> of the LORD<sup>H3068</sup> departed<sup>H5493</sup> from<sup>H4480 H5973</sup> Saul,<sup>H7586</sup> and an evil<sup>H7451</sup> spirit<sup>H7307</sup> from<sup>H4480 H854</sup> the LORD<sup>H3068</sup> troubled<sup>H1204</sup> him. [/FONT]

H7451

ra (
[FONT=&quot]רַע[/FONT], H7451), «malo; maligno; malvado; terrible».


H7307

rûaj (
[FONT=&quot]רוּחַ[/FONT], H7307), «aliento; hálito, aire; viento; brisa; espíritu; coraje; temperamento; Espíritu». Este nombre tiene cognados en ugarítico, arameo y arábigo. El término se encuentra unas 378 veces en todos los períodos del hebreo bíblico.

Reina Valera 1995.
[FONT=&quot]1Sa 16:14[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] El espíritu de Jehová se apartó de Saúl, y un espíritu malo de parte de Jehová lo atormentaba.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]La Biblia Oso[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1Sa 16:14[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] Al contrario, el espíritu del Señor se retiró de Saúl; y atormentábale un espíritu maligno por permisión del Señor. [/FONT]

Entiendo que al retirarle el Espíritu Santo , recordamos que profetizó y anduvo con los profetas , con el Espíritu Santo también se retiro la protección de Dios y un espíritu malo enseguida ocupo el lugar vacio que indirectamente permitió Dios .


Mis bendiciones.
 
Re: ¿Puede un cristiano tener demonios? Sí O NO; Y POR QUE

Asi es; y como te podras dar cuenta, aqui tambien salen de sobra decir que nada tiene que ver la enfermedad y la muerte prematura de los cristianos, con demonios; sino con los pecados del creyente.

Saludos.

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Re: ¿Puede un cristiano tener demonios? Sí O NO; Y POR QUE

Muchas son las personas que, fehacientemente, afirman con total rotundidad que un cristiano no puede estar "poseido" por un espiritu inmundo. Y, asi mismo, otras tantas personas opinan, radicalmente, todo lo contrario. Y, en medio de estos dos ireconciliables puntos de vista, yo me pregunto, ¿ Quizas, todas las personas que han opinado en este epigrafe han presenciado alguna vez en sus vidas en verdadero caso de posesion demoniaca ?, ¿ o, quizas, tan solo hablan por que han escuchado, a meganito y a fulanito decir y afirmar ,con el rostro desencajado y los ojos como platos, que ellos SI que han visto a una persona poseida por el demonio y que echaba espumarajos por la boca mientras hablaba en arameo ?

Evidentemente, la persona que ahora mismo esta opinando sobre este tema nunca jamas tuvo la horrible esperiencia de observar, ni de cerca, ni de lejos, ni a cristianos, ni a budista, ni a mahometano que diera evidentes sintomas de estar poseido por un ente diabolico. No obstante, tambien puedo decir ,y afirmar, que en mas de una ocasion he podido presenciar una extraña suerte de histeria colectiva perfectamente calculada e inducida por un experimentado guru o lider religioso; aunque por motivo de no herir sensibilidades prefiero dejar en el anonimato el muy conocido nombre de la religion que se practicaba entre aquellas gentes tan dadas a manifestar sus creencias de manera especialmente virulenta, espasmodica y sonora, muy sonora.
 
Re: ¿Puede un cristiano tener demonios? Sí O NO; Y POR QUE

Muchas son las personas que, fehacientemente, afirman con total rotundidad que un cristiano no puede estar "poseido" por un espiritu inmundo. Y, asi mismo, otras tantas personas opinan, radicalmente, todo lo contrario. Y, en medio de estos dos ireconciliables puntos de vista, yo me pregunto, ¿ Quizas, todas las personas que han opinado en este epigrafe han presenciado alguna vez en sus vidas en verdadero caso de posesion demoniaca ?, ¿ o, quizas, tan solo hablan por que han escuchado, a meganito y a fulanito decir y afirmar ,con el rostro desencajado y los ojos como platos, que ellos SI que han visto a una persona poseida por el demonio y que echaba espumarajos por la boca mientras hablaba en arameo ?

Evidentemente, la persona que ahora mismo esta opinando sobre este tema nunca jamas tuvo la horrible esperiencia de observar, ni de cerca, ni de lejos, ni a cristianos, ni a budista, ni a mahometano que diera evidentes sintomas de estar poseido por un ente diabolico. No obstante, tambien puedo decir ,y afirmar, que en mas de una ocasion he podido presenciar una extraña suerte de histeria colectiva perfectamente calculada e inducida por un experimentado guru o lider religioso; aunque por motivo de no herir sensibilidades prefiero dejar en el anonimato el muy conocido nombre de la religion que se practicaba entre aquellas gentes tan dadas a manifestar sus creencias de manera especialmente virulenta, espasmodica y sonora, muy sonora.

Vaya... que cosas.

Digame sr. Cripton... ¿Quien esta hablando de esas cosas que salen en las peliculas?

Pero claro, como usted solo da opiniones sin bases escriturales, que podemos esperar... Los dos grupos que usted mencionan se apoyan en versiculos biblicos... no en experiencias personales... y cada "grupo" los expone para defener tal o cual postura...

Pero, ¿y donde estan los suyos?... ¿o solo viene como casi siempre a no comprometerse con nada y solo decir un monton de barbaridades?

Los demonios Sr. Cripton, tambien manifiestan una falsa espiritualidad... buscando el proposito de que no sea expulsudo del cuerpo que ocupa...

Hechos 16:16-18

Lo que pasa es que ustede quiere que el poseido ande en las paredes, lanzando vomito verde y hablando con voz grave.

Le recomiendo señor, que antes de abordar un tema, al menos se empape de el... y no venga, como siempre, a decir quien sabe que cosas,

Un sano consejo que puede seguir o no
 
Re: ¿Puede un cristiano tener demonios? Sí O NO; Y POR QUE

No has leido amado?

<DIR>1Ti 4:1 El Espíritu Santo ha dicho claramente que en los últimos tiempos algunas personas dejarán de confiar en Dios. Serán engañadas por espíritus mentirosos y obedecerán enseñanzas de demonios.


Mat 13:38 El campo es el mundo; la buena semilla son los hijos del reino, y la cizaña son los hijos del malo.

Mat 8:12 mas los hijos del reino serán echados a las tinieblas de afuera; allí será el lloro y el crujir de dientes.
</DIR>


Luis Alberto42

¿No he leido?

Me gustaria tanto que entendieras lo que escribes.

¿que tiene que ver lo que me escribes, con los supuestos demonios dentro del cristiano?

Nuevamente, nada.

Lo siento.

Cuales son los "espiritus engañosos"? ¿acaso crees que son espíritus que operan desde dentro del croazón del cristiano?

No. No es asi.

¿A que se refiere Pablo, en su carta a Timoteo?.

El Espíritu Santo advierte que entraran en el rebaño (pero no son del rebaño), algunos hipócritas que enseñaran abstenerse de casarse y de alimentos que Dios creó.

Observa muy bien que la escritura se refiere a los "hipócritas" -no a los cristianos-, no se trata, por tanto, de personas del reino de Dios, sino de falsos cristianos.

Pablo se refiere a falsas doctrinas ó "doctrinas de demonios" o "endemoniadas", salidas del infienro; no de Dios, y que encuebiertamente entrarán a la glesia (como es el caso del celibato obligatorio, la vigilia, el diezmo obligatorio, la doctrina de la prosperidad...y un sin fin de doctinas heréticas, muchas de ellas neo.carismáticas, por cierto, como la idea de que los demonios puede estar morando en la presencia del Espíritu Santo, en el corazóndel verdadero cristiano...); pero Pablo no se refiere jamás, a que los demonios se metan en el corazón de los cristianos; jamás.

Saludos.
 
Re: ¿Puede un cristiano tener demonios? Sí O NO; Y POR QUE

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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> Si pecas siendo cristiano con un adulterio tienes un espíritu de fornicación , el pecado y los espíritus malos están relacionados .

Bendiciones en Cristo

Perdon por meter mi cuchara Rey... Pero pecado es todo aquello que es contrario al carácter de Dios... Dios es santo, puro y perfecto y todo lo que no sea también santo, puro y perfecto es pecado.

A los ojos de Dios no existen categorías de pecado

El cometer pecado es parte de la naturaleza caída del hombre... esté o no esté endemoniado... y evidentemente la fornicación es casada por dicha naturaleza...

El creyente verdader, lo que tiene que hacer despues de pecar, es:

1.- Reconocer su pecado
2.- Confesarlo a Dios
3.- Apartarse de el.

La posesión demoníaca tiene que ver con el control de una persona por parte de uno o más demonios que residen en esa persona, causando trastornos en el ámbito espiritual, emocional y físico.... y este endemoniado puede pecar libremente, ya que el Espiritu santo no mora en el... csa que el creyente verdaero No puede hacer... porque el Espiritu Santo le redargulle de pecado

Paz de Cristo
 
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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> Un creyente hace un camino a la perfección pero en ese camino aún con el Espíritu Santo pude caer en pecado y ser nuevamente ocupado por espíritus .

:no:

No por pecar o haber pecado te infestas de demonios ¿donde has leido eso ó más bien de donde aprendiste esa falsa enseñanza?

Saludos.
 
Re: ¿Puede un cristiano tener demonios? Sí O NO; Y POR QUE

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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> Te busco el enlace donde dije que cuando entra el Espíritu Santo lo hace con bombos y platillos y cuando se va lo hace en silencio .

¿De donde crees eso de "bombos yu platillos"?

Saludos
 
Re: ¿Puede un cristiano tener demonios? Sí O NO; Y POR QUE

Vaya... que cosas.

Digame sr. Cripton... ¿Quien esta hablando de esas cosas que salen en las peliculas?

Pero claro, como usted solo da opiniones sin bases escriturales, que podemos esperar... Los dos grupos que usted mencionan se apoyan en versiculos biblicos... no en experiencias personales... y cada "grupo" los expone para defener tal o cual postura...

Pero, ¿y donde estan los suyos?... ¿o solo viene como casi siempre a no comprometerse con nada y solo decir un monton de barbaridades?

Los demonios Sr. Cripton, tambien manifiestan una falsa espiritualidad... buscando el proposito de que no sea expulsudo del cuerpo que ocupa...

Hechos 16:16-18

Lo que pasa es que ustede quiere que el poseido ande en las paredes, lanzando vomito verde y hablando con voz grave.

Le recomiendo señor, que antes de abordar un tema, al menos se empape de el... y no venga, como siempre, a decir quien sabe que cosas,

Un sano consejo que puede seguir o no


¿ Que podemos esperar ? Dice usted, sr. Vayicra, de mi opinion. Parece como si contara usted con el explicito apoyo de un ejercito invisible y del cual usted es el vocero y comandante en jefe y que anima a sus soldados para que, siendo una sola voz y un solo hombre pronuncien en alta voz, ¿ Que podemos esperar de esta persona ? Si total nosotros somos multitud y las Sagradas Escrituras no tienen secreto alguno para todos nosotros y, menos aun, para nuestro vocero y comandante en jefe.

No creo tener sabiduria suficiente como para recomendarle cosa alguna, sr. Vayicra. Mas, le sugiero que, antes de emitir opiniones sin conocimiento alguno de la causa y razon de su opinion, eleve su mas humilde y espiritual mirada al cielo y pregunte, y se pregunte, ¿ Son correctas mis palabras y estan libres de prejuicios y de una arrogancia tan nitida como fuera de lugar ?

Por cierto, sr. Vayicra, no me hace falta ninguna compañia, ni ningun ejercito invisible que apoye y defienda mi fe, y los pensamientos que de ella se derivan para decirle, con total seguridad, que la Luz de las Sagradas Escrituras estan todavia lejos de alumbrar en su corazon. Y sobre la cita que me ha dedicado tan solo decirle que le viene como anillo al dedo; pues, ciertamente, usted tan solo puede seguir y obedecer los dictamenes de su propia razon. Y por este simple y sencillo motivo esta usted muy lejos de tener la mente de Cristo; pues, de entender medianamente cual es el verdadero significado de tener la mente de Cristo por su mente natural jamas hubieran pasado los pensamientos que le obligan a plasmar en palabra escrita las emociones y sentimientos que surgen de su los pensamientos de su mente natural.
 
Re: ¿Puede un cristiano tener demonios? Sí O NO; Y POR QUE

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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> [FONT=&quot]1Sa 16:14[/FONT][FONT=&quot] But the Spirit<sup>H7307</sup> of the LORD<sup>H3068</sup> departed<sup>H5493</sup> from<sup>H4480 H5973</sup> Saul,<sup>H7586</sup> and an evil<sup>H7451</sup> spirit<sup>H7307</sup> from<sup>H4480 H854</sup> the LORD<sup>H3068</sup> troubled<sup>H1204</sup> him. [/FONT]

H7451

ra (
[FONT=&quot]רַע[/FONT], H7451), «malo; maligno; malvado; terrible».


H7307

rûaj (
[FONT=&quot]רוּחַ[/FONT], H7307), «aliento; hálito, aire; viento; brisa; espíritu; coraje; temperamento; Espíritu». Este nombre tiene cognados en ugarítico, arameo y arábigo. El término se encuentra unas 378 veces en todos los períodos del hebreo bíblico.

Reina Valera 1995.
[FONT=&quot]1Sa 16:14[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] El espíritu de Jehová se apartó de Saúl, y un espíritu malo de parte de Jehová lo atormentaba.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]La Biblia Oso[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1Sa 16:14[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] Al contrario, el espíritu del Señor se retiró de Saúl; y atormentábale un espíritu maligno por permisión del Señor. [/FONT]

Entiendo que al retirarle el Espíritu Santo , recordamos que profetizó y anduvo con los profetas , con el Espíritu Santo también se retiro la protección de Dios y un espíritu malo enseguida ocupo el lugar vacio que indirectamente permitió Dios .


Mis bendiciones.
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mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:50%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> Tengo que volver a preguntarte lo mismo:

¿Cuando en el NT se le llama ángel a un demonio, y cuál es la base bíblica para asegurar que Dios les envía demonios a los santos en Cristo, para algún propósito?

Sigues en el AT, lee el titulo del epígrafe, estamos hablando de cristianos, de nuevas criaturas en Cristo.

Con hacerte el loco no vas a resolver nada.
 
Re: ¿Puede un cristiano tener demonios? Sí O NO; Y POR QUE

¿De donde crees eso de "bombos yu platillos"?

Saludos

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mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:50%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> Tengo que volver a preguntarte lo mismo:

¿Cuando en el NT se le llama ángel a un demonio, y cuál es la base bíblica para asegurar que Dios les envía demonios a los santos en Cristo, para algún propósito?

Sigues en el AT, lee el titulo del epígrafe, estamos hablando de cristianos, de nuevas criaturas en Cristo.

Con hacerte el loco no vas a resolver nada.


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mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> 2.Corintios 12.
<sup id="es-RVR1960-29031">7</sup>
Y para que la grandeza de las revelaciones no me exaltase desmedidamente, me fue dado un aguijón en mi carne, un mensajero de Satanás que me abofetee, para que no me enaltezca sobremanera;

¿Quien permitió que el aguijón siguiera por un tiempo ,( ya que la enfermedad no fue permanente)?