Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Dígame si se cumple esto entre las denominaciones:

Efe 4:5 Un solo Señor, una sola fe, un solo bautismo,


Se puede decir que estamos unidos con FE de distintos credos y bautismos diferentes?, ¿Se puede ser uno?


Me puedes decir a qué "credos distitntos te refieres"?

Los cristianos evangélicos creemos ad íntegrum en El Credo Niceno ¿a cuales otros "credos" te refieres?, numéralos, anda.

¿A que "bautismos diferentes" te refieres? numéralos, anda.


Te explico:

Somos uno en Cristo Jesús, Un solo Señor: Cristo Jesús, una fe: en el Eterno Hijo de Dios, un bautismo: en el Nombre del Padrey del Hijo y del Espíritu Santo

¿Que parte no entiendes?
 
Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

La unica cosa en contra d etodas la spruebas que le hiciceron al sudario es la fecha, PERO PORQUE LO TOMARON DE UN RETAZO HECHO A CAUSA D ELOS DAÑOS POR LOS INCENDIOS, hoy en dia hay mas evidencias todavia,m y en vez d ecerrarte, deberias estudiar el tema y glorificar a Dios, ya que quiza, 2000 años despues, en su misericordia por el hombrre, nos dejo tambien esta foto" de la resurreccion, para la generacion de la scomputadores.
Yo jamas me postraria ante la tela, pero no niego las evidencias terribles que contiene.

¿Adónde se ha visto que Dios se glorifique con algo así?

Mira, te voy a dar la lista de ingredientes que necesitas para glorificar a Dios:
1) Un corazón (el tuyo).
2) Amor, amor agape de Dios.

Ah, disculpa, me olvidaba de los siguientes versículos:

Hechos 10:49-51
49 Y los creyentes guardaban celosamente el lienzo que había sido usado como sudario del señor.
50 Y Pedro predicaba a Jesús en Jerusalén, siempre probando que en realidad el señor había existido por el sudario que guardaban en casa de Bernabé.
51 Y todos daban gloria a Dios por esto. Amén.
 
Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Dígame si se cumple esto entre las denominaciones:

Efe 4:5 Un solo Señor, una sola fe, un solo bautismo,


Se puede decir que estamos unidos con FE de distintos credos y bautismos diferentes?, ¿Se puede ser uno?

todo cristiano cree en un solo senor por ende una sola fe ,,,,bautismo de arrepentiiento y fe en el evanelio tambien estamos unidos ,,,ahora si usted se refiere a bauismo por inmersion aspersion bautisar ninos o no ya eso es otro tema ,,


hasyta ahora ningun bbe ira al infierno por er bauiszdo o si >>>?????
 
Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

porotro lado los catolicos romanos ,,,


un solo senor o senora depende del primer muerto que te haga un favor o cual sea tu deboto ,,,una sola fe ,,,,,en la sanfre en la gracia o en el pulgatorio quizas em los escapularios si eres deboto de la del carmen ,,,

bautismo ????


bueno ,,,si se le puede llamar bautismo ,,yo ditria que se le llamara mejor exorcismo ,,,ahora si estan unidos ,,,
 
Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Hechos 10:49-51
49 Y los creyentes guardaban celosamente el lienzo que había sido usado como sudario del señor.
50 Y Pedro predicaba a Jesús en Jerusalén, siempre probando que en realidad el señor había existido por el sudario que guardaban en casa de Bernabé.
51 Y todos daban gloria a Dios por esto. Amén.

Como no he seguido la conversación entre ustedes, no puedo saber el por qué exacto de que se añada a la Escritura lo que ella no dice. Pero independientemente de ello, EVITEN menitir, y menos aun hacer ver que la Escritura miente. Bien saben que esto no está en la Escritura, que no existe, así pues evítenlo ya que pueden confundir a mucha gente. Es un sano consejo.
 
Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

¿Adónde se ha visto que Dios se glorifique con algo así?

Mira, te voy a dar la lista de ingredientes que necesitas para glorificar a Dios:
1) Un corazón (el tuyo).
2) Amor, amor agape de Dios.

Ah, disculpa, me olvidaba de los siguientes versículos:

Hechos 10:49-51
49 Y los creyentes guardaban celosamente el lienzo que había sido usado como sudario del señor.
50 Y Pedro predicaba a Jesús en Jerusalén, siempre probando que en realidad el señor había existido por el sudario que guardaban en casa de Bernabé.
51 Y todos daban gloria a Dios por esto. Amén.

Hechos 10:49-51 no existe
 
Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

todo cristiano cree en un solo senor por ende una sola fe ,,,,bautismo de arrepentiiento y fe en el evanelio tambien estamos unidos ,,,ahora si usted se refiere a bauismo por inmersion aspersion bautisar ninos o no ya eso es otro tema ,,


hasyta ahora ningun bbe ira al infierno por er bauiszdo o si >>>?????

Veamos, creo que hay que reconocer ciertos puntos de división doctrinaria, que solo hacen evidente la profunda diviión institucional que hay entre los protestantes,y que es sinonimo de división en la metalidad y en el juicio. Recordemos que San Pablo hace un fuerte jalón de orejas a los Corintios por iniciar divisiones entre ellos, de ello se trata todo el primer cápítulo de su primera carta, de donde el versículo 10 es muy claro:


1 Cor 1:10

10 Os conjuro, hermanos, por el nombre de nuestro Señor Jesucristo, a
que tengáis todos un mismo hablar, y no haya entre vosotros divisiones;
antes bien, estéis unidos en una misma mentalidad y un mismo juicio.


Sin embargo, las divisiones doctrinaras en cosas tan básicas como la defensa de los no naciodos es la herida del protestantismo más evidentemente abierta, y es causa de escándalo y de frustración, Mire:

The Roman Catholic Church

has continuously and steadfastly opposed the legalization of abortion and has supported virtually all meaningful pro-life legislation and public policies. The bishops have testified before Congress on numerous occasions pleading for restoration of respect for all human life. The National Conference of Catholic Bishops has prepared several pastoral letters clearly defining the Catholic Church’s pro-life position. Most dioceses have active respect life offices and parish pro-life committees.
Many dioceses are beginning to establish Project Rachel programs to assist women (and men) who are recovering from postabortion syndrome. And a large number of dioceses also maintain hotlines and provide services to help women with problem pregnancies.


The Lutheran Church -- Missouri Synod (LCMS)

has passed a series of resolutions beginning in 1971 opposing abortion on demand and supporting the restoration of legal protection to the unborn child. It has urged all agencies of the LCMS to "continue to give testimony to its pro-life stance to all levels of government in the U.S." The LCMS has called for development of pro-life educational material for all age levels. The LCMS has vehemently opposed the so-called "Freedom of Choice Act" (FOCA) and strenuously supported the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (PBA Ban Act.)

The United Church of Christ (UCC)

has strongly supported the legalization of abortion since 1971. The UCC supported FOCA and strongly opposed the PBA ban to the point of joining the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League (NARRAL) in a statement affirming President Clinton’s veto of the PBA Ban Act in 1996. The UCC has also called for the church to support abortion in any national health care bill.

The Southern Baptist Convention

initially called for legislation in 1971 that would allow for the possibility of abortions under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe to fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother. In 1976, the convention changed its position to oppose abortions used as a means of birth control. In 1980, the convention strengthened its position by supporting legislation and/or a constitutional amendment prohibiting abortion except to save the life of the mother. In recent years the Southern Baptist Convention has taken an active leadership role in supporting pro-life legislation, including backing the PBA Ban Act and opposing FOCA and other pro-abortion measures. The convention has also developed a broad range of pro-life educational material for all levels, including a comprehensive pro-life Sunday school curricula and materials for Sanctity of Life Sunday in January.

American Baptist Churches

leaves abortion policy to local churches and individuals. A resolution adopted in 1988, updated in 1994 and accepted as current policy, "acknowledges diversity of ... convictions within our fellowship," making no distinction between those who believe that human life begins at conception (with the consequence that abortion is immoral), and those who believe it can be morally acceptable based on "compassion and justice." This relativism gives no protection to the unborn child, and little guidance to women and men who must live with the consequences of their choice.

Presbyterian Church in America (PCA)

"has taken a very strong pro-life position, believing that the unborn child is a human being whom God is creating." The position paper of 1978, which is also accepted as the current position, expresses a clear understanding of the sanctity of human life. "Abortion is the intentional killing of an unborn child between conception and birth. ... Scripture leaves no doubt about the continuity of personhood that includes the unborn child, and therefore, under the Sixth Commandment, prohibits shedding innocent blood." At the 1996 General Assembly, PCA strongly condemned partial-birth abortions "as a murderous and horrifying practice and a grave offense against almighty God," and petitioned the President and Congress "to act in accord with this Biblical standard."

The Presbyterian Church (USA)

historically opposed abortion. As recently as 1965, it said, "The fetus is a human life to be protected by the criminal law from the moment when the ovum is fertilized ... As Christians, we believe that this should not be an individual decision on the part of the physician and the couple. ..." In 1970 the PCUSA issued a study report which regarded abortion as help for unwanted pregnancies and in 1972 language regarding "personal choice" and "responsible decision" regarding abortion began to appear in church documents.
In 1983, the PCUSA General Assembly adopted a policy which affirmed abortion as a "stewardship responsibility." PCUSA today actively supports the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice (RCRC, formerly known as the Religious Coalition for Abortion Rights, or RCAR). In 1992, after restudying the issue, the General Assembly adopted a new policy which states that "there is a basis in our tradition not only for a woman’s difficult choice for abortion, but also for the preservation of the lives of the unborn because they are human beings made in God’s image." In 1997, the PCUSA broke with other pro-abortion churches to become the first major mainline denomination to take a position expressing "grave moral concern" about partial-birth abortions.


The United Methodist Church

began in the early 1970s to view abortion as a "choice". The United Methodist position in favor of abortion has been so strong that two of its institutions helped organize and affiliate with the Religious Coalition for Abortion Rights. For many years RCAR used office space in the United Methodist Building which is located across the street from the U.S. Supreme Court. In both 1996 and 1997 the United Methodist Church publicly supported President Clinton’s veto of the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act. While the 1996 United Methodist Church’s Book of Discipline still maintains a strong pro-abortion position, it now includes wording recognizing the "sanctity of unborn human life." It further states, "We cannot affirm abortion as an acceptable means of birth control and we unconditionally reject it as a means of gender selection."

The Episcopal Church

as late as 1958 held a strong pro-life position, stating, "Abortion and infanticide are to be condemned." In 1967, the 62nd General Convention of the Episcopal Church supported abortion law "reform," to permit the "termination of pregnancy" for reasons of life, rape, incest, fetal deformity, or physical or mental health of the mother. In 1982, the 66th General Convention condemned the use of abortion as a means of gender selection and non-serious abnormalities.
By 1988, the 69th General Convention had developed a position that stated, "All human life is sacred. Hence it is sacred from its inception until death." The statement goes on to call for church programs to assist women with problem pregnancies and to emphasize the seriousness of the abortion decision. In 1994, the 71st General Convention expressed "unequivocal opposition to any ... action ... that [would] abridge the right of a woman to reach an informed decision about the termination of her pregnancy, or that would limit the access of a woman to a safe means of acting upon her decision." In 1997, at the 72nd General Convention, the delegates approved a resolution that did not condemn partial-birth abortions but expressed grave concerns about the procedure, "except in extreme situtions."


The Evangelical Lutheran of Church in America (ELCA)

is a union of three smaller Lutheran denominations which merged in 1988. Each had different views on on abortion. In 1990, the ELCA adopted a statement that accepts abortion but only as a "last resort" in the most extreme circumstances. The statement goes on to say that it opposes abortion ist except in the cases of "clear threat to the life of the woman", "extreme fetal abnormality" incompatible with life, and in cases of rape and incest. Beyond these cases "this church neither supports nor opposes" other abortion-restricting legislation. At the ELCA's 1997 convention, a resolution to restrict ELCA funding of abortions to the three cases stated above was rejected 70%-30%. The ELCA funds elective abortions in the church’s health care coverage for pastors and professional church workers, and some Lutheran-affiliated hospital perform elective abortions.

Orthodox Churches

have consistently maintained strong opposition to legalization of abortion and support virtually all pro-life legislation. Various bishops and of priests have testified at hearings ty, and have attended pro-life conventions, rallies, and marches. The Orthodox Church in America made a public statement opposing President Clinton’s veto of the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act.

Independent Bible Churches and Evangelical Churches

have usually maintained a pro-life position based on biblical teaching. Since these churches are not part of formal associations or structures, they do not have denominational statements or resolutions on the abortion issue. But the great majority would support pro-life legislation and oppose continued abortion on demand.
 
Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

La Iglesia Católica es la más grande comunidad cristiana en Estados Unidos, pero solo abarca el 23% de los gringos. La Igleisia, no cree que las cuestiones relativas ala borto sean cuestiones de decisión personal, pues los seres humanos son entes diferenciables de sus madres desde el momento de la fecundación.

Solo la Iglesia representa a Cristo en estos temas, y el protestantismo está muy lejos de ser un entidad que comparte un mismo Juicio, un mismo criterio, y un mismo hablar;. "...¿Es que está Cristo dividido?...", no, La Iglesia permanece unida, son aquellos quienes se han excluido de la comunión con la Iglesia quienes permanecen divididos.
 
Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

La Iglesia Católica es la más grande comunidad cristiana en Estados Unidos, pero solo abarca el 23% de los gringos. La Igleisia, no cree que las cuestiones relativas ala borto sean cuestiones de decisión personal, pues los seres humanos son entes diferenciables de sus madres desde el momento de la fecundación.

Solo la Iglesia representa a Cristo en estos temas, y el protestantismo está muy lejos de ser un entidad que comparte un mismo Juicio, un mismo criterio, y un mismo hablar;. "...¿Es que está Cristo dividido?...", no, La Iglesia permanece unida, son aquellos quienes se han excluido de la comunión con la Iglesia quienes permanecen divididos.

La cantidad de fieles no es garantía de la verdad, además que se ganan con engrosar las estadísticas a punta de católicos no practicantes, borrachos, homosexuales, fornicarios, adulteros, ladrones, adictos, etc. Y luego dicen que de todo se vé en la viña del Señor, esa no es la viña, esa no es la iglesia sin mancha ni arruga de la que habla la biblia, ese no es el cuerpo de cristo, esos no son los pámpanos.
 
Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Dice Eidher:

La cantidad de fieles no es garantía de la verdad, además que se ganan con engrosar las estadísticas a punta de católicos no practicantes, borrachos, homosexuales, fornicarios, adulteros, ladrones, adictos, etc. Y luego dicen que de todo se vé en la viña del Señor, esa no es la viña, esa no es la iglesia sin mancha ni arruga de la que habla la biblia, ese no es el cuerpo de cristo, esos no son los pámpanos.

Nadie dijo que fuera garantía, ¿Pero, que dices de la división real y evidente entre los protestantes que se hacen llamar la Iglesia?, ¿Puedes decir que los protestantes están libres de todos estos pecados que trajiste a colación?, ¿Son esos pecados exclusivos de los malos miembros de la Iglesia Católica?, ¿Que me dices de los matrimonios entre homosexuales hechos por ministros protestantes?, No, tus palabras no son de reflexion, es muy claro que quienes se llaman "Cristianos" que en realidad son protestantes de poca monta, están divididos y no pueden formar una sola Iglesia, de otra manera así lo harían. pero no, no se unen.

1 Cor 1:10

10 Os conjuro, hermanos, por el nombre de nuestro Señor Jesucristo, a
que tengáis todos un mismo hablar, y no haya entre vosotros divisiones;
antes bien, estéis unidos en una misma mentalidad y un mismo juicio.


Sin embargo, las divisiones doctrinaras en cosas tan básicas como la defensa de los no naciodos es la herida del protestantismo más evidentemente abierta, y es causa de escándalo y de frustración, Mire:

The Roman Catholic Church

has continuously and steadfastly opposed the legalization of abortion and has supported virtually all meaningful pro-life legislation and public policies. The bishops have testified before Congress on numerous occasions pleading for restoration of respect for all human life. The National Conference of Catholic Bishops has prepared several pastoral letters clearly defining the Catholic Church’s pro-life position. Most dioceses have active respect life offices and parish pro-life committees.
Many dioceses are beginning to establish Project Rachel programs to assist women (and men) who are recovering from postabortion syndrome. And a large number of dioceses also maintain hotlines and provide services to help women with problem pregnancies.


The Lutheran Church -- Missouri Synod (LCMS)

has passed a series of resolutions beginning in 1971 opposing abortion on demand and supporting the restoration of legal protection to the unborn child. It has urged all agencies of the LCMS to "continue to give testimony to its pro-life stance to all levels of government in the U.S." The LCMS has called for development of pro-life educational material for all age levels. The LCMS has vehemently opposed the so-called "Freedom of Choice Act" (FOCA) and strenuously supported the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (PBA Ban Act.)

The United Church of Christ (UCC)

has strongly supported the legalization of abortion since 1971. The UCC supported FOCA and strongly opposed the PBA ban to the point of joining the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League (NARRAL) in a statement affirming President Clinton’s veto of the PBA Ban Act in 1996. The UCC has also called for the church to support abortion in any national health care bill.

The Southern Baptist Convention

initially called for legislation in 1971 that would allow for the possibility of abortions under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe to fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother. In 1976, the convention changed its position to oppose abortions used as a means of birth control. In 1980, the convention strengthened its position by supporting legislation and/or a constitutional amendment prohibiting abortion except to save the life of the mother. In recent years the Southern Baptist Convention has taken an active leadership role in supporting pro-life legislation, including backing the PBA Ban Act and opposing FOCA and other pro-abortion measures. The convention has also developed a broad range of pro-life educational material for all levels, including a comprehensive pro-life Sunday school curricula and materials for Sanctity of Life Sunday in January.

American Baptist Churches

leaves abortion policy to local churches and individuals. A resolution adopted in 1988, updated in 1994 and accepted as current policy, "acknowledges diversity of ... convictions within our fellowship," making no distinction between those who believe that human life begins at conception (with the consequence that abortion is immoral), and those who believe it can be morally acceptable based on "compassion and justice." This relativism gives no protection to the unborn child, and little guidance to women and men who must live with the consequences of their choice.

Presbyterian Church in America (PCA)

"has taken a very strong pro-life position, believing that the unborn child is a human being whom God is creating." The position paper of 1978, which is also accepted as the current position, expresses a clear understanding of the sanctity of human life. "Abortion is the intentional killing of an unborn child between conception and birth. ... Scripture leaves no doubt about the continuity of personhood that includes the unborn child, and therefore, under the Sixth Commandment, prohibits shedding innocent blood." At the 1996 General Assembly, PCA strongly condemned partial-birth abortions "as a murderous and horrifying practice and a grave offense against almighty God," and petitioned the President and Congress "to act in accord with this Biblical standard."

The Presbyterian Church (USA)

historically opposed abortion. As recently as 1965, it said, "The fetus is a human life to be protected by the criminal law from the moment when the ovum is fertilized ... As Christians, we believe that this should not be an individual decision on the part of the physician and the couple. ..." In 1970 the PCUSA issued a study report which regarded abortion as help for unwanted pregnancies and in 1972 language regarding "personal choice" and "responsible decision" regarding abortion began to appear in church documents.
In 1983, the PCUSA General Assembly adopted a policy which affirmed abortion as a "stewardship responsibility." PCUSA today actively supports the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice (RCRC, formerly known as the Religious Coalition for Abortion Rights, or RCAR). In 1992, after restudying the issue, the General Assembly adopted a new policy which states that "there is a basis in our tradition not only for a woman’s difficult choice for abortion, but also for the preservation of the lives of the unborn because they are human beings made in God’s image." In 1997, the PCUSA broke with other pro-abortion churches to become the first major mainline denomination to take a position expressing "grave moral concern" about partial-birth abortions.


The United Methodist Church

began in the early 1970s to view abortion as a "choice". The United Methodist position in favor of abortion has been so strong that two of its institutions helped organize and affiliate with the Religious Coalition for Abortion Rights. For many years RCAR used office space in the United Methodist Building which is located across the street from the U.S. Supreme Court. In both 1996 and 1997 the United Methodist Church publicly supported President Clinton’s veto of the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act. While the 1996 United Methodist Church’s Book of Discipline still maintains a strong pro-abortion position, it now includes wording recognizing the "sanctity of unborn human life." It further states, "We cannot affirm abortion as an acceptable means of birth control and we unconditionally reject it as a means of gender selection."

The Episcopal Church

as late as 1958 held a strong pro-life position, stating, "Abortion and infanticide are to be condemned." In 1967, the 62nd General Convention of the Episcopal Church supported abortion law "reform," to permit the "termination of pregnancy" for reasons of life, rape, incest, fetal deformity, or physical or mental health of the mother. In 1982, the 66th General Convention condemned the use of abortion as a means of gender selection and non-serious abnormalities.
By 1988, the 69th General Convention had developed a position that stated, "All human life is sacred. Hence it is sacred from its inception until death." The statement goes on to call for church programs to assist women with problem pregnancies and to emphasize the seriousness of the abortion decision. In 1994, the 71st General Convention expressed "unequivocal opposition to any ... action ... that [would] abridge the right of a woman to reach an informed decision about the termination of her pregnancy, or that would limit the access of a woman to a safe means of acting upon her decision." In 1997, at the 72nd General Convention, the delegates approved a resolution that did not condemn partial-birth abortions but expressed grave concerns about the procedure, "except in extreme situtions."


The Evangelical Lutheran of Church in America (ELCA)

is a union of three smaller Lutheran denominations which merged in 1988. Each had different views on on abortion. In 1990, the ELCA adopted a statement that accepts abortion but only as a "last resort" in the most extreme circumstances. The statement goes on to say that it opposes abortion ist except in the cases of "clear threat to the life of the woman", "extreme fetal abnormality" incompatible with life, and in cases of rape and incest. Beyond these cases "this church neither supports nor opposes" other abortion-restricting legislation. At the ELCA's 1997 convention, a resolution to restrict ELCA funding of abortions to the three cases stated above was rejected 70%-30%. The ELCA funds elective abortions in the church’s health care coverage for pastors and professional church workers, and some Lutheran-affiliated hospital perform elective abortions.

Orthodox Churches

have consistently maintained strong opposition to legalization of abortion and support virtually all pro-life legislation. Various bishops and of priests have testified at hearings ty, and have attended pro-life conventions, rallies, and marches. The Orthodox Church in America made a public statement opposing President Clinton’s veto of the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act.

Independent Bible Churches and Evangelical Churches

have usually maintained a pro-life position based on biblical teaching. Since these churches are not part of formal associations or structures, they do not have denominational statements or resolutions on the abortion issue. But the great majority would support pro-life legislation and oppose continued abortion on demand.
 
Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Dice Eidher:



Nadie dijo que fuera garantía, ¿Pero, que dices de la división real y evidente entre los protestantes que se hacen llamar la Iglesia?, ¿Puedes decir que los protestantes están libres de todos estos pecados que trajiste a colación?, ¿Son esos pecados exclusivos de los malos miembros de la Iglesia Católica?, ¿Que me dices de los matrimonios entre homosexuales hechos por ministros protestantes?, No, tus palabras no son de reflexion, es muy claro que quienes se llaman "Cristianos" que en realidad son protestantes de poca monta, están divididos y no pueden formar una sola Iglesia, de otra manera así lo harían. pero no, no se unen.

1 Cor 1:10

10 Os conjuro, hermanos, por el nombre de nuestro Señor Jesucristo, a
que tengáis todos un mismo hablar, y no haya entre vosotros divisiones;
antes bien, estéis unidos en una misma mentalidad y un mismo juicio.


Sin embargo, las divisiones doctrinaras en cosas tan básicas como la defensa de los no naciodos es la herida del protestantismo más evidentemente abierta, y es causa de escándalo y de frustración, Mire:

¿Pero, que dices de la división real y evidente entre los protestantes que se hacen llamar la Iglesia?
Aún en la ICAR hay división, no somos robots, la unión está en Cristo.

¿Puedes decir que los protestantes están libres de todos estos pecados que trajiste a colación?
No, pero los verdaderos cristianos se arrepienten y se alejan del pecado, un verdadero cristiano no es borracho, homosexual o adultero, pueden caer pero son restaurados.

¿Son esos pecados exclusivos de los malos miembros de la Iglesia Católica?
Pero si son muy comunes entre ellos.

¿Que me dices de los matrimonios entre homosexuales hechos por ministros protestantes?
Son ministros errados, la mayoría de ellos anglicanos (cuasi catolicos) que se volvieron anglicanos porque la ICAR no les permite ser homosexuales.
 
Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Veamos, creo que hay que reconocer ciertos puntos de división doctrinaria, que solo hacen evidente la profunda diviión institucional que hay entre los protestantes,y que es sinonimo de división en la metalidad y en el juicio. Recordemos que San Pablo hace un fuerte jalón de orejas a los Corintios por iniciar divisiones entre ellos, de ello se trata todo el primer cápítulo de su primera carta, de donde el versículo 10 es muy claro:


1 Cor 1:10

10 Os conjuro, hermanos, por el nombre de nuestro Señor Jesucristo, a
que tengáis todos un mismo hablar, y no haya entre vosotros divisiones;
antes bien, estéis unidos en una misma mentalidad y un mismo juicio.





confundes unidad con control ,,,si es asi ni tan siquiera exisrte tal unidad de pensamiento entre los catolicos romanos






Sin embargo, las divisiones doctrinaras en cosas tan básicas como la defensa de los no naciodos es la herida del protestantismo más evidentemente abierta, y es causa de escándalo y de frustración, Mire:

The Roman Catholic Church

has continuously and steadfastly opposed the legalization of abortion and has supported virtually all meaningful pro-life legislation and public policies. The bishops have testified before Congress on numerous occasions pleading for restoration of respect for all human life. The National Conference of Catholic Bishops has prepared several pastoral letters clearly defining the Catholic Church’s pro-life position. Most dioceses have active respect life offices and parish pro-life committees.
Many dioceses are beginning to establish Project Rachel programs to assist women (and men) who are recovering from postabortion syndrome. And a large number of dioceses also maintain hotlines and provide services to help women with problem pregnancies.


The Lutheran Church -- Missouri Synod (LCMS)

has passed a series of resolutions beginning in 1971 opposing abortion on demand and supporting the restoration of legal protection to the unborn child. It has urged all agencies of the LCMS to "continue to give testimony to its pro-life stance to all levels of government in the U.S." The LCMS has called for development of pro-life educational material for all age levels. The LCMS has vehemently opposed the so-called "Freedom of Choice Act" (FOCA) and strenuously supported the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (PBA Ban Act.)

The United Church of Christ (UCC)

has strongly supported the legalization of abortion since 1971. The UCC supported FOCA and strongly opposed the PBA ban to the point of joining the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League (NARRAL) in a statement affirming President Clinton’s veto of the PBA Ban Act in 1996. The UCC has also called for the church to support abortion in any national health care bill.

The Southern Baptist Convention

initially called for legislation in 1971 that would allow for the possibility of abortions under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe to fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother. In 1976, the convention changed its position to oppose abortions used as a means of birth control. In 1980, the convention strengthened its position by supporting legislation and/or a constitutional amendment prohibiting abortion except to save the life of the mother. In recent years the Southern Baptist Convention has taken an active leadership role in supporting pro-life legislation, including backing the PBA Ban Act and opposing FOCA and other pro-abortion measures. The convention has also developed a broad range of pro-life educational material for all levels, including a comprehensive pro-life Sunday school curricula and materials for Sanctity of Life Sunday in January.

American Baptist Churches

leaves abortion policy to local churches and individuals. A resolution adopted in 1988, updated in 1994 and accepted as current policy, "acknowledges diversity of ... convictions within our fellowship," making no distinction between those who believe that human life begins at conception (with the consequence that abortion is immoral), and those who believe it can be morally acceptable based on "compassion and justice." This relativism gives no protection to the unborn child, and little guidance to women and men who must live with the consequences of their choice.

Presbyterian Church in America (PCA)

"has taken a very strong pro-life position, believing that the unborn child is a human being whom God is creating." The position paper of 1978, which is also accepted as the current position, expresses a clear understanding of the sanctity of human life. "Abortion is the intentional killing of an unborn child between conception and birth. ... Scripture leaves no doubt about the continuity of personhood that includes the unborn child, and therefore, under the Sixth Commandment, prohibits shedding innocent blood." At the 1996 General Assembly, PCA strongly condemned partial-birth abortions "as a murderous and horrifying practice and a grave offense against almighty God," and petitioned the President and Congress "to act in accord with this Biblical standard."

The Presbyterian Church (USA)

historically opposed abortion. As recently as 1965, it said, "The fetus is a human life to be protected by the criminal law from the moment when the ovum is fertilized ... As Christians, we believe that this should not be an individual decision on the part of the physician and the couple. ..." In 1970 the PCUSA issued a study report which regarded abortion as help for unwanted pregnancies and in 1972 language regarding "personal choice" and "responsible decision" regarding abortion began to appear in church documents.
In 1983, the PCUSA General Assembly adopted a policy which affirmed abortion as a "stewardship responsibility." PCUSA today actively supports the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice (RCRC, formerly known as the Religious Coalition for Abortion Rights, or RCAR). In 1992, after restudying the issue, the General Assembly adopted a new policy which states that "there is a basis in our tradition not only for a woman’s difficult choice for abortion, but also for the preservation of the lives of the unborn because they are human beings made in God’s image." In 1997, the PCUSA broke with other pro-abortion churches to become the first major mainline denomination to take a position expressing "grave moral concern" about partial-birth abortions.


The United Methodist Church

began in the early 1970s to view abortion as a "choice". The United Methodist position in favor of abortion has been so strong that two of its institutions helped organize and affiliate with the Religious Coalition for Abortion Rights. For many years RCAR used office space in the United Methodist Building which is located across the street from the U.S. Supreme Court. In both 1996 and 1997 the United Methodist Church publicly supported President Clinton’s veto of the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act. While the 1996 United Methodist Church’s Book of Discipline still maintains a strong pro-abortion position, it now includes wording recognizing the "sanctity of unborn human life." It further states, "We cannot affirm abortion as an acceptable means of birth control and we unconditionally reject it as a means of gender selection."

The Episcopal Church

as late as 1958 held a strong pro-life position, stating, "Abortion and infanticide are to be condemned." In 1967, the 62nd General Convention of the Episcopal Church supported abortion law "reform," to permit the "termination of pregnancy" for reasons of life, rape, incest, fetal deformity, or physical or mental health of the mother. In 1982, the 66th General Convention condemned the use of abortion as a means of gender selection and non-serious abnormalities.
By 1988, the 69th General Convention had developed a position that stated, "All human life is sacred. Hence it is sacred from its inception until death." The statement goes on to call for church programs to assist women with problem pregnancies and to emphasize the seriousness of the abortion decision. In 1994, the 71st General Convention expressed "unequivocal opposition to any ... action ... that [would] abridge the right of a woman to reach an informed decision about the termination of her pregnancy, or that would limit the access of a woman to a safe means of acting upon her decision." In 1997, at the 72nd General Convention, the delegates approved a resolution that did not condemn partial-birth abortions but expressed grave concerns about the procedure, "except in extreme situtions."


The Evangelical Lutheran of Church in America (ELCA)

is a union of three smaller Lutheran denominations which merged in 1988. Each had different views on on abortion. In 1990, the ELCA adopted a statement that accepts abortion but only as a "last resort" in the most extreme circumstances. The statement goes on to say that it opposes abortion ist except in the cases of "clear threat to the life of the woman", "extreme fetal abnormality" incompatible with life, and in cases of rape and incest. Beyond these cases "this church neither supports nor opposes" other abortion-restricting legislation. At the ELCA's 1997 convention, a resolution to restrict ELCA funding of abortions to the three cases stated above was rejected 70%-30%. The ELCA funds elective abortions in the church’s health care coverage for pastors and professional church workers, and some Lutheran-affiliated hospital perform elective abortions.

Orthodox Churches

have consistently maintained strong opposition to legalization of abortion and support virtually all pro-life legislation. Various bishops and of priests have testified at hearings ty, and have attended pro-life conventions, rallies, and marches. The Orthodox Church in America made a public statement opposing President Clinton’s veto of the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act.

Independent Bible Churches and Evangelical Churches

have usually maintained a pro-life position based on biblical teaching. Since these churches are not part of formal associations or structures, they do not have denominational statements or resolutions on the abortion issue. But the great majority would support pro-life legislation and oppose continued abortion on demand.






ya ves,,,,,lamentablemenyte las instituciones religiosas estan controladas por el hombre ,,,,,a eso es que los cristianos somos cristianos y no bautistas metodistas presbiterianos o catolicos romanos ,,,,




si el papa diria que esta a favor del aborto ,,estaria usted en contra del papa?????



lo dudo ,,,dejaria de ser catolico romano los cuales deben estar sujetos al papa en forma ferrea ,,en cambio un cristiano no ,,entiende????


es la misma historia de siempre ,,,homnbres que siguen a otros hombres y una iglesia militante qur solo sigue a cristo
 
Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

La Iglesia Católica es la más grande comunidad cristiana en Estados Unidos, pero solo abarca el 23% de los gringos. La Igleisia, no cree que las cuestiones relativas ala borto sean cuestiones de decisión personal, pues los seres humanos son entes diferenciables de sus madres desde el momento de la fecundación.

Solo la Iglesia representa a Cristo en estos temas, y el protestantismo está muy lejos de ser un entidad que comparte un mismo Juicio, un mismo criterio, y un mismo hablar;. "...¿Es que está Cristo dividido?...", no, La Iglesia permanece unida, son aquellos quienes se han excluido de la comunión con la Iglesia quienes permanecen divididos.


por otro lado es muy raro que las mujeres que abortan el 98 por ciento es de fe catolica romana ,,,,,



que contradiccion no cres???


y los fetos abortados encontrados en sus monasterios por monjas que traqueteaban con los curas ,,ni hablar
 
Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Dice Eidher:



Nadie dijo que fuera garantía, ¿Pero, que dices de la división real y evidente entre los protestantes que se hacen llamar la Iglesia?,

¿Me puedes mostrar en donde dice que los protestante se hacen llamar "La Iglesa"?

En espera.
 
Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

El provocador eres tú y buscas molestar con tus temas.

por ejemplo aquel de "los fetiches católicos"

Totalmente de acuerdo, nos atacan por ser catolicos, y creen que hacen mucho bien jusgandones "camuflandolo con debates" cuando en realidad quieren hacer quedar la iglesia catolica por el suelo ( se que hay sacerdotes que la hacen quedar mucho peor que por el suelo, pero en todas partes hay personas buenas y malas), sin mirar que sus iglesias tampoco son la perfeccion, miran la paja del ojo ajeno pero no la enorme viga que hay en el suyo... te apoyo totalmente caminante_7
 
Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano. Deben ser más específicos y decir a cual institución religiosa se refieren, pues para los cristianos la Iglesia somos nosotros, no una institución religiosa. Y he notado que los católicos del foro lo hacen adrede, sus palabras son venenosas, como quien dice nosotros somos y uds no.

(Jua 8:39) Respondieron y dijéronle: Nuestro padre es Abraham. Díceles Jesús: Si fuerais hijos de Abraham, las obras de Abraham harías.

En el siglo I, ¿cómo le llamarías?
Y en el siglo II; III; IV ... XIV, ¿cómo le llamarías?
 
Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

En el siglo I, ¿cómo le llamarías?
Y en el siglo II; III; IV ... XIV, ¿cómo le llamarías?

al pan pan y al vino vino
 
Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

al pan pan y al vino vino
pues entonces deja de perder tiempo y llama a La Iglesia "Católica" y los seguidores de Nestorio "nestorianos", y a los seguidores de Mahoma "musulmanes"; y a los seguidores de Arrio "arrianos"; etc.
 
Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

pues entonces deja de perder tiempo y llama a La Iglesia "Católica" y los seguidores de Nestorio "nestorianos", y a los seguidores de Mahoma "musulmanes"; y a los seguidores de Arrio "arrianos"; etc.

Por eso, nosotros somos seguidores de Cristo "Cristianos", no católicos seguidores del papa.
 
Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Re: Llamar "la Iglesia" a la iglesia católica es una ofensa en un foro cristiano

Por eso, nosotros somos seguidores de Cristo "Cristianos", no católicos seguidores del papa.
Los "Cristianos" somos "Ungidos" como Jesús, el Ungido, de ahí los términos en nuestra lengua "Cristo" y "Cristiano". Los Cristianos fuimos llamados con diversos nombres durante elsiglo I, hata que que se afianzara el nombre de katholicos o Universal, por su doctrina y su amplitud étnica y geográfica. En la última década del siglo I, los primeros Padres Apostólicos (o sea discípulos de los Apóstoles del Señor Jesús) ya llamaban a la Iglesia fundada por Jesucristo "Católica". Toooda esta historia ha sido repetida, tiene fundamento y es aceptada por cristianos, creyentes no cristianos y no creyentes.

En resumen, "Cristiano" es un estado; "Católica" es el nombre de la Iglesia fundada por Jesús; Cristianos son los ungidos por Dios; Católicos somos los ungidos por Dios miembros de la Iglesia fundada por Jesús.

Más claro, agua.

Bendiciones.