NOSOTROS DEJAMOS LA IGLESIA ADVENTISTA DEL 7MO. DIA

Re: NOSOTROS DEJAMOS LA IGLESIA ADVENTISTA DEL 7MO. DIA

Despúes hablamos, frddey, después hablamos. Por cierto, ¿estás seguro que Elñena White falló en todo lo profetizado? Estudia un poco más el asunto y depsués hablamos. Te doy una ayudita:

- qué tal lo del terremoto de San Franciso y Oakland.

- que tal lo de las enfermedades en los animales.

-qué tal lo del ecumenismo que estamos viendo

-qué tal lo de la injerencia religiosa en la política norteamericana.

- qué tal lo de lo abarcante de la obra de salud y de publicación, cuando estaba en sus comienzos

-Qué tal lo de la reforma alimentaria que ha demostrado ser la más saludable.

-que tal lo de la educación integral, copiada hasta en la Cuba de Fidel

- que tal lo del odio satánico hacia ella (tal como el tuyo)

-qué tal lo de la apostasía casi nacional en los Estados Unidos

-si quieres más, avísame.

Es más, coloca todas las profecía no cumplidas y las discutimos una por una, ¿sí? Anda, deja el odio a un lado, que te hace indigno de ser cristiano.
 
Re: NOSOTROS DEJAMOS LA IGLESIA ADVENTISTA DEL 7MO. DIA

- qué tal lo del terremoto de San Franciso y Oakland.
Oakland no sufrió como San Francisco. ¿Será que, como la historia de Nínive, el pueblo de Oakland se humilló ante Dios y Dios tuvo misericordia de ellos? ¿Por qué será que, al igual que Jonás, EGW no advirtió a los habitantes de San Francisco y Oakland sobre las calamidades que estaban por ocurrir?

- que tal lo de las enfermedades en los animales.

¿Qué tal?

-qué tal lo del ecumenismo que estamos viendo
¡Claro! ¡Supongo que este foro es clara prueba de ese supuesto ecumenismo!

-qué tal lo de la injerencia religiosa en la política norteamericana.
Dime... ¿que país no tiene "injerencia religiosa" en su política? Supongo que mencionarás alguno pero... ¿acaso desde que fue fundada como nación, EEUU no ha tenido siempre alguna "injerencia religiosa" en su política?

- qué tal lo de lo abarcante de la obra de salud y de publicación, cuando estaba en sus comienzos

???

-Qué tal lo de la reforma alimentaria que ha demostrado ser la más saludable.
Copiada.

-que tal lo de la educación integral, copiada hasta en la Cuba de Fidel

¿Podrías explicarte mejor?

- que tal lo del odio satánico hacia ella (tal como el tuyo)

¿Qué tal lo del odio satánico de los ASD sobre todos los que no son ASD?

-qué tal lo de la apostasía casi nacional en los Estados Unidos

No entiendo la pregunta pues también preguntaste: "¿Qué tal lo de la injerencia religiosa en la política norteamericana?"

si quieres más, avísame.

Es más, coloca todas las profecía no cumplidas y las discutimos una por una, ¿sí? Anda, deja el odio a un lado, que te hace indigno de ser cristiano.

Comencemos con esta:

¿Qué tal lo del terremoto de San Franciso y Oakland?

"San Francisco y Oakland están llegando a ser como Sodoma y Gomorra, y el Señor las visitará con ira”.

Preguntas:

1. ¿Dónde y cuándo fue que EGW publicó esta advertencia?
2. ¿A quién fue dirigida?
3. ¿Qué ocurrió con Oakland?
4. ¿Cuántos terremotos crees que han ocurrido en San Francisco?

Te dejo con un listado parcial de terremotos/temblores en San Francisco:

San Francisco Earthquake History 1880-1914


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April 14, 1880
Strong earthquake shock felt today.

May 5, 1880
Slight earthquake shock today at 11:35 a.m.

June 24, 1880
At 12:47 a.m. there was an earthquake.


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November 4, 1880
Sharp earthquake shock was felt at 7:37 p.m.
April 10, 1881
Several earthquake shocks were felt between 2 and 2:15 a.m.

September 18, 1881
Sharp earthquake shock today.

October 31, 1881
4:10 p.m. Slight earthquake shock felt in San Francisco.

November 11, 1881
There was a slight earthquake shock at 4 p.m.

November 13, 1881
11:15 p.m. Smart shock of earthquake felt in San Francisco.


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March 6, 1882
Light earthquake felt at 1:46 in the afternoon.
April 13, 1882
There was a sharp earthquake shock at 6:30 a.m.

July 15, 1882
A sharp earthquake shock at 7:45 p.m. Felt strongly at Centerville in Alameda County.

August 9, 1882
Light earthquake shock at 8:45 p.m.

October 20, 1882
There was a very sharp earthquake shock that woke people up this morning.

October 31, 1882
A sharp earthquake was felt here and at Sonoma, Napa, Petaluma and San Rafael.


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January 23, 1883
Light earthquake shock tonight at 11:40.
March 30, 1883
Three earthquakes were felt here today. They did damage at Hollister where plaster fell. The shocks were violent in Watsonville where clocks were stopped.

October 9, 1883
Very sharp earthquake today. Mr. Tennent said it was the strongest since 1868.

October 10, 1883
Another strong shock of earthquake was felt today.

October 30, 1883
Light earthquake felt today.


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March 15, 1884
Very light earthquake shock at 3:07 a.m.
March 25, 1884
Three earthquake shocks caused some damage to brick buildings along the City Front.

July 15, 1884
There was a very light earthquake around dawn today.

November 9, 1884
Three shocks of earthquake frightened people in Hollister.


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January 26, 1885
There was a moderate earthquake at 1:33 this morning, and a lighter one at about 9 p.m.
March 30, 1885
A strong earthquake was felt here. Reports from Salinas said fissures developed at the junction of the Pajaro and San Benito rivers.

April 11, 1885
Earthquake felt at 8:05 p.m. It did much damage to the south near Monterey.

December 30, 1885
A sharp, rattling earthquake, quite severe, was felt today.


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January 26, 1886
There was an earthquake today. It was also felt in several places in California.
May 27, 1886
A series of earthquake shocks have been felt for the past two days.

June 7, 1886
Light earthquake felt at 1:32 p.m. A sharper quake lasted for 10 seconds at 4:13 this afternoon.

July 2, 1886
Light earthquake shortly after midnight.

August 23, 1886
An earthquake was felt at 4 p.m.

September 29, 1886
The "Weekly Star" quoted a Canadian weather forecaster named Wiggins as saying San Francisco would be destroyed by an earthquake today. No earthquake was felt in San Francisco on this day.

October 15, 1886
There was an earthquake at about 10 p.m.

November 11, 1886
Slight earthquake shock at 7:11 p.m.

December 6, 1886
An earthquake was felt here and at Santa Cruz.


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January 11, 1887
Two earthquake shocks were felt at 4:10 a.m.
October 19, 1887
Slight earthquake shock was felt today.

December 4, 1887
Light earthquake felt at 4:30 a.m. Reports from Haywards said it was a sharp shock.


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January 17, 1888
Earthquake was felt at 10:10 p.m. Also felt in Oakland.
February 29, 1888
A strong earthquake was felt today at 2:50 p.m. The quake consisted of two shocks about one minute apart. Many people along Montgomery St. became alarmed. It was most severe around Pine and Mason sts. Two waves were recorded on the Duplex seismometer at 917 Pine St. Reports from Santa Rosa said walls were cracked there.

March 28, 1888
Professor Davidson said there was a light earthquake shock at 1:41 a.m. that woke some people up.

September 23, 1888
Slight shock of earthquake at 11:30 a.m.

November 18, 1888
Shocks of earthquake were felt at 2:28 p.m., 3:30 p.m. and 5:37 p.m. No damage in San Francisco, but chimneys were thrown down in Brooklyn, East Oakland.


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May 19, 1889
Earthquake today did minor damage in San Francisco. It was most severe at Antioch.
July 31, 1889
Severe earthquake shock was felt. It damaged the telescope at Chabot College in Oakland.

November 15, 1889
A light earthquake shock was felt here. It was very severe in Healdsburg.


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April 24, 1890
Earthquake felt in San Francisco. It was very strong near Chittenden, east of Watsonville, where chimneys were thrown down and fissures appeared near the fault. The railroad track was moved by the earthquake.
May 11, 1890
Light earthquake in San Francisco, but very heavy at San Leandro where some buildings were shaken.

May 14, 1890
The railroad has kept a crew of carpenters in the vicinity of bridges near the Chittenden Ranch above Pajaro because of continued earthquake shaking and the need to repair the bridges.

July 1, 1890
Sharp shock of earthquake at 12:33 a.m that lasted 10 seconds and woke many people up. Gas fixtures and window frames rattled.


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January 2, 1891
Light earthquake shock at noon. Damage was reported at San Jose and Lick Observatory.
May 6, 1891
Four-second earthquake shock at 8:30 p.m.

May 8, 1891
Very minor earthquake at 6:10 p.m. that was noticed by few people.

May 20, 1891
A light earthquake was felt at 10:04 p.m.

June 28, 1891
Double shock of earthquake at about 3 a.m.

August 23, 1891
Strange reports from Mono Lake told of the lake emitting columns of steam and sulphurous fumes rising from the land. There was an earthquake there last Sunday.

October 11, 1891
Light earthquake shock felt in San Francisco. It was reported that the shock was apparently most severe at Napa and Sonoma where people were shaken out of bed.

October 14, 1891
Another light earthquake at 4:30 this morning. It did cause damage at Sonoma which was visited by earthquake on Oct. 11.


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April 19, 1892
A very strong shock of earthquake. At the Palace Hotel many people were frightened and some statuettes and glass were broken. The clock of the Ferry Building stopped as did other clocks in the building. Felt severely on made ground. Greatest damage was in the Vacaville area where nearly all of the brick structures were wrecked.
April 21, 1892
Many of the buildings that survived the earthquake of April 19 were knocked down at Vacaville. The shock was quite sharp in San Francisco.

April 29, 1892
Distinct earthquake was felt at 4:09 this afternoon.

May 18, 1892
Light earthquake shock felt that was much stronger in Oakland.

June 26, 1892
Light earthquake felt at 5:23 a.m.

October 21, 1892
An earthquake was felt here tonight at 10:28. Reports from Napa and Sonoma said the shock was strong there and it demolished chimneys and broke windows. Every plastered house showed signs of the shock.

November 24, 1892
Light shock of earthquake at 12:10 a.m. that lasted two seconds.


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June 6, 1893
Strong earthquake today at 9:25 a.m. and many men in downtown offices rushed to the streets. The shock was much more severe in Oakland.
July 30, 1893
Short, sharp earthquake at 1:30 a.m.

August 9, 1893
An earthquake was felt at 1:15 a.m. It was later learned that the quake knocked down chimneys and broke windows at Santa Rosa. The courthouse there was also damaged.


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April 14, 1894
A slow, gentle earthquake was felt at 11:07 p.m. It was later learned that the earthquake did much damage at Mendocino and the lighthouse tower at Pt. Arena was cracked.
April 28, 1896
Professor Davidson was in the Alaska Commercial Building, 310 Sansome St., when he felt today's earthquake. He said, "All who felt the shock agreed that the movement was from east to west. The shock was very light and of short duration, lasting not more than a second, of that long."


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January 17, 1897
Two earthquake shocks four second apart were felt all over the city at 1:10 p.m.
January 20, 1897
An earthquake shock was felt today.

June 20, 1897
The severe earthquake today at 12:13 p.m. lasted 20 seconds and stopped many clocks in San Francisco. In Oakland people ran from their houses in fright. There was much damage to brick buildings in Gilroy. An adobe building was wrecked at Sargent. In Salinas chimneys and firewalls were thrown down, as they were in Hollister and Gilroy. An adobe wall of the Mission San Carlos at Monterey fell, frightening worshipers. Several fainted.

July 19, 1897
Santa Barbara was badly shaken by two shocks of earthquake at 11:45 p.m. The earthquake caused the old tower clock bell to strike.

July 26, 1897
An earthquake with a quick, jerky motion struck at 5:40 p.m.

October 2, 1897
A mild earthquake was felt at 8:42 a.m.

December 23, 1897
Two distinct earthquake shocks were felt at 5:20 a.m.


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March 30, 1898
Severe damage was done in San Francisco by the earthquake that struck at 11:43 p.m. The quake lasted 40 seconds and twisted chimneys and broke chandeliers. There was much panic. A building at 445 Clementina collapsed, and many chimneys were cracked. Whittier School on Harrison at Fourth was badly damaged because it was on made ground. Chimney on the Jefferson and Denman schools were so twisted that they were rebuilt. Heaviest damage was reported at the Naval Base at Mare Island. Congress appropriated $350,000 for repairs to the Naval Yard. A half-dozen fires were caused in Vallejo when oil lamps overturned.
April 14, 1898
Light shocks of earthquake felt in San Francisco at 10:46, 10:53 and 11:07 p.m. Many people, however, ran into the streets fearing a repetition of the March earthquake. It was reported that many buildings collapsed in Mendocino and the populace there remained out of doors for the rest of the night. 22 earthquake shocks were reported in Ukiah.

April 18, 1898
Nine shocks of earthquake were so strong at Camp Prairie in Mendocino County that the school closed.

August 7, 1898
Professor Alexander McAdie of the Weather Bureau said there was an earthquake shock at 11:57 a.m. It made doors and windows creak in the Western Addition, but there was no damage.


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April 30, 1899
Professor McAdie reported a slight earthquake at 2:41 p.m. It did break windows at Watsonville.
June 1, 1899
People rushed to the streets in panic when the earthquake struck at 11:19 p.m. Many windows were broken South-of-Market and the clock at the Union Ferry Building stopped.

July 6, 1899
Severe earthquakes struck San Francisco at 12:10 p.m. in the form of two shocks. Worst damage was reported at Pleasanton and Watsonville where windows were broken and chimneys overthrown.

August 4, 1899
Another severe earthquake struck at 12:44 p.m. It was also reported strongly at Saratoga.

August 5, 1899
Another strong earthquake today at 9:42 p.m.

October 12, 1899
An earthquake here at 9 p.m. was felt strongest at Santa Rosa where plaster was knocked from walls and some plaster fell.


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January 14, 1900
Sharp shock of earthquake was felt at 11:27 a.m.
April 30, 1900
A sharp earthquake was felt at 2:41 p.m. Reports from the Hotel Del Monte in Monterey described the earthquake there as violent.

July 29, 1900
A light earthquake was felt at 5:07 a.m.

August 31, 1900
An earthquake was felt at 7:21 p.m.


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January 2, 1901
An earthquake was felt at 11:45 a.m. It ws learned that the most damage was done in Monterey County, where the ground cracked open. Chimneys were thrown down in Parkfield.
March 3, 1901
An earthquake was felt here today.

June 26, 1901
Two light earthquakes were felt at 2:41 p.m., and 4:56 p.m.

October 29, 1901
An earthquake was felt at 4:36 p.m

December 14, 1901
A shock of earthquake was felt at 8:14 a.m. that lasted six seconds.

December 15, 1901
Another earthquake was felt at 12:11 p.m.


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April 13, 1902
An earthquake of two or three short jolts were felt.
April 19, 1902
Today's earthquake at 8:09 a.m. caused chandeliers to sway and crockery to rattle. The earthquake was two shocks ten seconds apart.

May 19, 1902
A moderate earthquake was felt at 10:31 a.m. Reports were that nearly all chimneys were thrown down at Elmira in Solano County.

May 20, 1902
A rolling earthquake was felt today at 10:20 p.m.

August 11, 1902
An earthquake at 6:09 a.m. was also felt in Berkeley and Livermore.

September 18, 1902
A three-second earthquake was felt at 3:51 a.m.

September 23, 1902
There was an earthquake at 5:31 a.m., and the sea was much disturbed at Fort Point.


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June 11, 1903
Quite a severe shock of earthquake at 5:12 a.m. that was also felt in Sonoma and Placer counties. It was described at Niles as being the most severe jolt since Oct. 21, 1868.
August 2, 1903
Quite a severe earthquake jolt did some damage in San Francisco. The most damage was reported in San Jose where hardly a building is not more or less damaged. The quake knocked the seismographs at Lick Observatory out of commission.

January 2, 1904
A three-second earthquake was felt at 10:04 p.m.

January 3, 1904
A mild earthquake was felt at 2:38 a.m.

January 5, 1904
A series of earthquake began at 2:30 a.m. today and ended around 10 a.m. All were small.

January 11, 1904
An earthquake was felt today.

February 22, 1904
Earthquake felt at 3 a.m.

March 1, 1904
Light earthquake felt at 6:09 a.m.

April 21, 1904
Mild earthquake felt at 3:50 a.m.

April 27, 1904
An earthquake was felt at 9:10 p.m.

July 21, 1904
Very mild earthquake felt at 11:25 p.m.

July 30, 1904
Earthquake felt at 2:26 a.m.

November 27, 1904
Mild earthquake was felt at 8:20 a.m.

December 1, 1904
A series of four earthquakes were felt between 1 o'clock and 1:10 a.m.

December 2, 1904
A shock of earthquake was felt today.

December 4, 1904
Mild earthquake felt at 12:04 a.m. The earthquake was reported to have been quite severe at Eureka.

December 5, 1904
An earthquake was felt here today.

December 6, 1904
Another earthquake was felt today.

December 8, 1904
Another mild earthquake today at 4:14 a.m

December 9, 1904
Another mild earthquake today.

December 14, 1904
An earthquake this morning at 7:10 a.m was felt all around the Bay.

December 16, 1904
Another earthquake was felt.


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January 1, 1905
Several windows were broken by an earthquake today at 3:38 p.m.
March 18, 1905
There was an earthquake today.

April 18, 1905
Another earthquake today.

April 25, 1905
An earthquake at 3:15 p.m. caused landslides along the coast in San Mateo County.

May 25, 1905
An earthquake was felt at about 6:50 a.m. It was also felt in Fresno, Salinas, Santa Cruz and Yosemite.

July 13, 1905
There was an earthquake today.

August 8, 1905
An earthquake was felt here today.

August 22, 1905
There was another earthquake today.

August 31, 1905
An earthquake was felt today.

September 16, 1905
An earthquake was felt here today and at Fruitvale across the Bay.

November 26, 1905
An earthquake was felt today.

November 27, 1905
There was another earthquake today.

November 28, 1905
An earthquake was felt for two seconds at 11:25 a.m.

December 3, 1905
A strong earthquake was felt here today at 11:30 a.m. causing much alarm.

December 18, 1905
There was an earthquake today at noon.

December 28, 1905
There was an earthquake today.


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March 5, 1906
Professor McAdie reported an earthquake at 9:30 p.m.
April 18, 1906
San Francisco was wrecked by a Great Earthquake and then destroyed by the seventh Great Fire that burned for four days. Hundreds, perhaps thousands of trapped persons died when South-of-Market tenements collapsed into liquefied "made" ground. Most of those buildings immediately caught fire and trapped victims could not be rescued. Fire Chief Engineer Dennis T. Sullivan was mortally wounded when a chimney of California Theatre and hotel fell upon the fire station in which he lived at 410-412 Bush St. Acting Chief Engineer John Dougherty commanded fire operations. All telephone and telegraph communications stopped within the city, although some commercial telegraph circuits to New York and to India remained temporarily in operation. There were 135 aftershocks on April 18 and 22 on April 19.

The earthquake was so strong that sensitive seismographs around the Bay were either knocked from their supports or the records went off the scale, so that they gave no information as to the actual earthquake movements.

The shock was perceptable from Coos Bay, Oregon, to Los Angeles, and as far east as central Nevada, an area of about 375,000 square miles, approximately half of which was in the Pacific Ocean. The region of destructive effect extended from the southern part of Fresno County to Eureka, about 400 miles, and for a distance of 25 to 30 miles on either side of the fault zone. The distribution of intensity within the region of destruction was uneven. Of course all structures standing on or crossing the rift were destroyed or badly damaged. Many trees standing near the fault were either uprooted or broken off. Perhaps the most marked destruction of trees near Loma Prieta, where, according to Dr. John C. Branner, "The forest looked as though a swath had been cut through it two hundred feet in width." In little less than a mile he counted 345 earthquake cracks running in all directions.

The U.S. Post Office at Seventh and Mission sts. was dreadfully damaged by the earthquake. Assistant to the Postmaster Burke said, "walls had been thrown into the middle of various rooms, destroying furniture and covering everything with dust. In the main corridors the marble was split and cracked, while the mosaics were shattered and had come rattling down upon the floor. Chandeliers were rent and twisted by falling arches and ceilings."

Within the area of destruction, the distribution of destructive effects was far from uniform. These were greatest in the immediate neighborhood of the fault zone, but there were place many miles from the San Andreas fault where the earthquake destruction was greater than in other places near the fault. Intenstified effects were found in the alluvial valley region extending from San Jose to Healdsburg. Santa Rosa, twenty miles from the San Andreas fault line, sustained more damage, in proportion to its size than any other city in the state. This suggested to scientists the possible movement on the Hayward fault, and perhaps others, although no surface indications of such movement were found.

April 18, 1906
Two earthquake in Los Angeles just before noon, about ten minutes apart. The quaking began as thousands gathered around bulletin boards to read the latest dispatches from San Francisco. Thousands ran in panic when the earthquakes struck.

April 22, 1906
Father Ricard at the University of Santa Clara wrote to the "San Jose Mercury"; "The earthquake period is gone. Once the pent up forces of nature have had a vent, nothing of a serious nature need be apprehended. At the most a succession of minor shocks may be felt and that's all. It is not unreasonable, therefore, for people to continue in dread of a new destructive temblor. People should fearlessly go to work and repair mischief done and sleep quietly at night anywhere at all, especially in wooden frame. Never mind foreboders of evil: they do not know what they are talking about Seismonetry is in its infancy and those therefore who venture out with predictions of future earthquakes when the main shock has taken place out to be arrested as disturbers of the peace."

April 25, 1906
Famed actress Mme. Helena Modjeska placed her ranch near Los Angeles at the disposal of refugees from San Francisco and other cities affected by earthquake and fire.

May 5, 1906
Jack London's eyewitness account of the earthquake and fire was published in Collier's Magazine. London was paid 25 cents per word for the article.

May 17, 1906
A very strong earthquake was felt at 8:21 p.m. It was stronger than most of the hundreds of tremors that have been felt since the Great Earthquake.

May 19, 1906
Governor Pardee asked the subcommittee of the Mayor's Committee on Reconstruction of San Francisco to write proposed legislation for special Call of the Legislature to assist San Francisco following the earthquake. Subcommittee members include Tirey Ford of United Railroads. Garret McEnerney and "Boss" Abraham Ruef. Subcommittee wrote the Burnt Records Act, as well as the enabling legislation to allow the proposed City and County of Los Angeles to acquire Owens Valley water for protection against major fires such as the one that destroyed San Francisco.

May 22, 1906
United Railroads received by telegraph $200,000 to be used to bribe city officials. The money was received in gold, but was exchanged at the U.S. Mint for small bills donated for earthquake relief.

July 28, 1906
Professor Simon Litman of the University of California told students in Philadelphia that San Francisco would never again be destroyed by earthquake as it was a few months ago. The professor said new buildings were being constructed that could not be destroyed by earthquake.

December 24, 1906
Los Angeles Citizens' Relief Committee donated $10,000 to San Francisco. $5000 went to the University of California Hospital to care for injured earthquake survivors. The balance went to the Golden Gate Orphanage and the Industrial Farm for Destitute Children.


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January 6, 1907
Mild earthquake was felt here and in Santa Cruz as well, where it was described as a quick, vicious shaker.
April 13, 1907
New York City police were on the lookout for San Francisco attorney Walter C. Stevens, who lost everything in the earthquake, became despondent, and was given money by the relief committee to go East. It was feared he would commit suicide.

June 5, 1907
Strong earthquake felt around the Bay at 12:27 a.m.

April 25, 1908
Slow, gentle earthquake that lasted more than a half-minute was felt at 3:33 a.m.

April 29, 1908
Sharp earthquake felt at 12:41 a.m.

August 4, 1908
Dedication of the Relief Home for the Aged and Infirm erected from monies contributed to the relief of sufferers of the earthquake.

December 14, 1908
An earthquake was felt at 8:50 p.m.

December 22, 1908
A short earthquake jolt was felt at 1:48 p.m.


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February 14, 1909
Mild earthquake lasted ten seconds at 7:55 a.m.
June 5, 1909
John Jules Jusserand, French Ambassador to Washington, presented a gold medal to San Francisco, commemorative of her rise from the ashes and ruins of the earthquake of 1906.

October 19, 1909
Portolá Festival opened to celebrate San Francisco's recovery from the earthquake and fire.

October 28, 1909
Survivors of 1906 were terrorized today by a strong earthquake that struck at 10:45 p.m. The greatest damage was at Fortuna where chimneys were wrecked. Clocks were stopped in Eureka.

March 10, 1910
Another strong earthquake at 10:52 p.m. It was strongest near Santa Cruz and was felt all the way to Nevada City.

June 9, 1910
Two earthquake jolts at 10:30 p.m. The quake was centered in Alameda.

December 31, 1910
An earthquake at 4:11 a.m. woke some people up in San Francisco. The quake, centered near Salinas, broke water mains there.

March 11, 1911
Another earthquake at 1:30 p.m. centered in San Benito County where plastering was cracked and things were thrown from walls.

July 1, 1911
Earthquake today at 2 p.m. caused minor damage and considerable fright among the people. It was centered near Coyote in Santa Clara County. It did considerable damage at Lick Observatory where the large telescope was moved three-fourths of an inch.

September 12, 1912
Mild earthquake at 9:27 a.m. centered in the Santa Cruz Mountains and was felt as far as Antioch.

October 25, 1913
An earthquake at 1:45 a.m. Scientists said it was centered at Colma, just south of San Francisco.

January 23, 1914
Strong earthquake at 7:33 p.m. It was centered at San Bruno along the San Andreas fault.

September 4, 1914
Earthquake centered at Laguna Honda felt at San Francisco at 12:56 a.m.

November 8, 1914
Earthquake at 6:31 p.m. centered near the town of Laurel in the Santa Cruz Mountains. Some damage was done there.

December 8, 1914
Light earthquake at 2:42 a.m. centered in the Santa Cruz Mountains.
 
Re: NOSOTROS DEJAMOS LA IGLESIA ADVENTISTA DEL 7MO. DIA

NO CARLOS B.R., no es como tu dices. Lo que pasa es que ustedes estan acostumbrados a debates de sabado o domingo, ley y salvacion, babilonia la grande, plagas, tiempo del fin, profecias, leyes dominicales, bla bla bla bla bla de todas esas doctrinas antibiblicas usadas por ustedes.

Cuando se les sacada de ese encajonamiento no tienen mas argumentos que los que han presentado aqui. Demonizar, decir que los perseguimos, que ustedes son las ovejas victimas, que les tenemos odio y toda esa argumentacion ya gastada y de victima que no les queda bien como papel.

Ustedes no son tan mansitos ni ovejas como tratan de proyectarse. Son bien agresivos y bien condenatorios de todos los que no creen como ustedes. Ya tengo calle y experiencia con los adventistas. Ellos estan constantemente tratando de convertirnos a nosotros, a sus doctrinas, porque aunque guardamos el santo sabado y creemos en la inconciencia del alma, y por sobre todo, CREEMOS EN CRISTO COMO NUESTRO SALVADOR nos consideran incompletos, porque no creemos su falso evangelio adventista. Es un discurso de parte de ustedes ya bastante gastadito.

Cuando se les saca de su estrategia que es solo hablar del sabado y los 2,300 dias es como si se quedaran sin tema.

Hermano hay un tema que habla de Cristo y Su Justicia, ¿Digame con la biblia si está contradiciendo el plan de Salvación que nuestro Padre nos dió atravez de Su amado Hijo Uniguenito
Dios te bendiga!!
 
Re: NOSOTROS DEJAMOS LA IGLESIA ADVENTISTA DEL 7MO. DIA

elg, oído al tambor.

Nos estamos refiriendo al Gran Terremoto de San Francisco. De fecha 18 de Abril de 1906, no a los otros de menor intendidad.

Desde 1903 Elena G. De White (EGW) había amonestado a los habitantes de San Francisco y Oakland“San Francisco y Oakland están llegando a ser como Sodoma y Gomorra, y el Señor las visitará. De aquí a no mucho tiempo sufrirán bajo sus juicios” (Manuscrito 30, 1903)_Eventos Finales de los Ultimos Días

Dos días antes EGW recibió una visión del terremoto de San Francisco:

“Estando en Loma Linda, California, el 16 de abril de 1906, pasó delante de mí una de las más asombrosas escenas. En una visión de la noche, yo estaba sobre una altura desde donde veía las casas sacudirse como el viento sacude los juncos. Los edificios, grandes y pequeños, se derrumbaban. Los sitios de recreo, los teatros, hoteles y palacios suntuosos eran conmovidos y derribados. Muchas vidas eran destruidas y los lamentos de los heridos y aterrorizados llenaban el espacio.

Los ángeles destructores, enviados por Dios, estaban obrando. Un simple toque, y los edificios construidos tan sólidamente que los hombres los tenían por resguardados de todo peligro quedaban reducidos a un montón de escombros. Ninguna seguridad había en parte alguna. Personalmente, no me sentía en peligro, pero no puedo describir las escenas terribles que se desarrollaron ante mi vista. Era como si la paciencia de Dios se hubiese agotado y hubiese llegado el día del juicio.

Entonces el ángel que estaba a mi lado me dijo que muy pocas personas se dan cuenta de la maldad que reina en el mundo hoy, especialmente en las ciudades grandes. Declaró que el Señor ha fijado un tiempo cuando su ira castigará a los transgresores por su persistente menoscabo de su ley. 330

Aunque terrible, la escena que pasó ante mis ojos no me hizo tanta impresión como las instrucciones que recibí en esa ocasión. El ángel que estaba a mi lado declaró que la soberanía de Dios, el carácter sagrado de su ley, deben ser manifestados a los que rehusan obstinadamente obedecer al Rey de reyes. Los que prefieran quedar infieles habrán de ser heridos por los juicios misericordiosos, a fin de que, si posible fuere, lleguen a percatarse de la culpabilidad de su conducta.

Durante el día siguiente, estuve pensando en las escenas que habían pasado ante mis ojos y en las instrucciones que las habían acompañado. Por la tarde fuimos a Glendale, cerca de Los Ángeles. En el transcurso de la noche siguiente, recibí nuevas instrucciones tocante al carácter santo y obligatorio de los diez mandamientos y de la supremacía de Dios sobre todos los gobernantes terrenales.

Me parecía estar en medio de una asamblea, presentando al público los requerimientos de la ley divina. Leí el pasaje relativo a la institución del sábado en el Edén, al final de la semana de la creación, y lo referente a la promulgación de la ley en el Sinaí. Después declaré que el sábado debe ser observado como señal de un "pacto perpetuo" entre Dios y los que le pertenecen, a fin de que sepan que son santificados por Jehová, su Creador.

Luego insistí en el hecho de que el gobierno de Dios rige supremo todos los gobiernos de los hombres. Su ley debe ser regla de conducta para todos. No es permitido a los hombres pervertir sus sentidos por la intemperancia, o someter su mente a las influencias satánicas, porque ello los deja en la imposibilidad de observar la ley de Dios. Aunque el divino Soberano soporte con paciencia la maldad, no puede ser engañado, y no callará para siempre. Su autoridad y supremacía como Príncipe del universo, deben ser reconocidas, y las justas demandas de su ley vindicadas. Muchas otras Instrucciones tocante a la longanimidad de Dios y la necesidad de hacer comprender a los transgresores 331el peligro de la posición que ocupan delante de él, fueron repetidas al público tal como yo las había recibido de mi instructor.

El 18 de abril, dos días después de haber tenido la visión del derrumbamiento de los edificios, fui a la capilla de la calle Carr, en Los Ángeles, donde se me esperaba. Como íbamos llegando, oímos a los vendedores de diarios que gritaban: "¡San Francisco destruído por un terremoto!" Con el corazón lleno de angustia leí las primeras noticias del terrible desastre.


Sobre Oakland, EGW escribió después:

“San Francisco ha sido visitada con duros juicios, pero Oakland hasta ahora ha sido misericordiosamente preservada. (manuscrito 25, 1908)

Oakland y San Francisco están conectadas por un puente, y resulta asombroso que Oakland no haya sido afectada mayormente por el sismo.

PD: lo de Fidel Castro es así, Resulta que el guerrillero Fidel, estando sublevado cuando Batista, se refugió en la casa de unos adventistas, quienes le hablaron de la iglesia y sus logros, especialmente de un colegio adventista que actualmente es una institución del Estado. Cuando Fidel triunfa, todas las propiedades de la iglesia adventista pasaron a ser del Estado cubano, Practicamente se inspiró en lo que vio y leyó de la educación integral adventista para ser aplicada en la "revolución". No tengo más información. Esto no es ninguna profecía, sino una información colateral.
 
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Sobre Oakland, EGW escribió después:

“San Francisco ha sido visitada con duros juicios, pero Oakland hasta ahora ha sido misericordiosamente preservada. (manuscrito 25, 1908)

pero Oakland
pero Oakland
pero Oakland
pero Oakland
 
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PD: lo de Fidel Castro es así, Resulta que el guerrillero Fidel, estando sublevado cuando Batista, se refugió en la casa de unos adventistas, quienes le hablaron de la iglesia y sus logros, especialmente de un colegio adventista que actualmente es una institución del Estado. Cuando Fidel triunfa, todas las propiedades de la iglesia adventista pasaron a ser del Estado cubano, Practicamente se inspiró en lo que vio y leyó de la educación integral adventista para ser aplicada en la "revolución". No tengo más información. Esto no es ninguna profecía, sino una información colateral.

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..Yo nunca diría que no es verdad esta información.
Jamás me atrevería a decir que es falsa o tendenciosa, pues entonces me parecería a los adventistas de estos foros, cuando acusan a los no-adventistas, pero...
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...pero, les voy a contar una historia , por si no la saben.
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..En los templos adventistas de España han venido de visita varias veces los pastores dirigentes de la Unión y nos han dicho ,más de una vez , que la reina de España (doña Sofía) tenía en gran estima la alimentación de los adventistas y que ella estaba de acuerdo con esta, pues ella (la reina) era vegetariana.
El dejarnos creer esa idea era una manera (no verbal) de decirnos que nada más y nada menos que LA REINA DE ESPAÑA respaldaba el tipo de alimentación adventista.
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...Después, "los miembros de a pie" supimos que la reina de España no es que sea vegetariana, sino que no come carne, como promesa(mortificación expiatoria) desde la muerte de su padre el rey Pablo..
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..Osea que "nos vendieron" una información falsa a medias. (Y ...como dice el refrán: "Dos medias verdades no suman una verdad, sino una mentira).
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Oakland no sufrió como San Francisco. ¿Será que, como la historia de Nínive, el pueblo de Oakland se humilló ante Dios y Dios tuvo misericordia de ellos? ¿Por qué será que, al igual que Jonás, EGW no advirtió a los habitantes de San Francisco y Oakland sobre las calamidades que estaban por ocurrir?



¿Qué tal?

¡Claro! ¡Supongo que este foro es clara prueba de ese supuesto ecumenismo!

Dime... ¿que país no tiene "injerencia religiosa" en su política? Supongo que mencionarás alguno pero... ¿acaso desde que fue fundada como nación, EEUU no ha tenido siempre alguna "injerencia religiosa" en su política?



???


Copiada.



¿Podrías explicarte mejor?



¿Qué tal lo del odio satánico de los ASD sobre todos los que no son ASD?



No entiendo la pregunta pues también preguntaste: "¿Qué tal lo de la injerencia religiosa en la política norteamericana?"



Comencemos con esta:

¿Qué tal lo del terremoto de San Franciso y Oakland?

"San Francisco y Oakland están llegando a ser como Sodoma y Gomorra, y el Señor las visitará con ira”.

Preguntas:

1. ¿Dónde y cuándo fue que EGW publicó esta advertencia?
2. ¿A quién fue dirigida?
3. ¿Qué ocurrió con Oakland?
4. ¿Cuántos terremotos crees que han ocurrido en San Francisco?

Te dejo con un listado parcial de terremotos/temblores en San Francisco:

San Francisco Earthquake History 1880-1914


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April 14, 1880
Strong earthquake shock felt today.

May 5, 1880
Slight earthquake shock today at 11:35 a.m.

June 24, 1880
At 12:47 a.m. there was an earthquake.


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November 4, 1880
Sharp earthquake shock was felt at 7:37 p.m.
April 10, 1881
Several earthquake shocks were felt between 2 and 2:15 a.m.

September 18, 1881
Sharp earthquake shock today.

October 31, 1881
4:10 p.m. Slight earthquake shock felt in San Francisco.

November 11, 1881
There was a slight earthquake shock at 4 p.m.

November 13, 1881
11:15 p.m. Smart shock of earthquake felt in San Francisco.


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March 6, 1882
Light earthquake felt at 1:46 in the afternoon.
April 13, 1882
There was a sharp earthquake shock at 6:30 a.m.

July 15, 1882
A sharp earthquake shock at 7:45 p.m. Felt strongly at Centerville in Alameda County.

August 9, 1882
Light earthquake shock at 8:45 p.m.

October 20, 1882
There was a very sharp earthquake shock that woke people up this morning.

October 31, 1882
A sharp earthquake was felt here and at Sonoma, Napa, Petaluma and San Rafael.


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January 23, 1883
Light earthquake shock tonight at 11:40.
March 30, 1883
Three earthquakes were felt here today. They did damage at Hollister where plaster fell. The shocks were violent in Watsonville where clocks were stopped.

October 9, 1883
Very sharp earthquake today. Mr. Tennent said it was the strongest since 1868.

October 10, 1883
Another strong shock of earthquake was felt today.

October 30, 1883
Light earthquake felt today.


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March 15, 1884
Very light earthquake shock at 3:07 a.m.
March 25, 1884
Three earthquake shocks caused some damage to brick buildings along the City Front.

July 15, 1884
There was a very light earthquake around dawn today.

November 9, 1884
Three shocks of earthquake frightened people in Hollister.


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January 26, 1885
There was a moderate earthquake at 1:33 this morning, and a lighter one at about 9 p.m.
March 30, 1885
A strong earthquake was felt here. Reports from Salinas said fissures developed at the junction of the Pajaro and San Benito rivers.

April 11, 1885
Earthquake felt at 8:05 p.m. It did much damage to the south near Monterey.

December 30, 1885
A sharp, rattling earthquake, quite severe, was felt today.


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January 26, 1886
There was an earthquake today. It was also felt in several places in California.
May 27, 1886
A series of earthquake shocks have been felt for the past two days.

June 7, 1886
Light earthquake felt at 1:32 p.m. A sharper quake lasted for 10 seconds at 4:13 this afternoon.

July 2, 1886
Light earthquake shortly after midnight.

August 23, 1886
An earthquake was felt at 4 p.m.

September 29, 1886
The "Weekly Star" quoted a Canadian weather forecaster named Wiggins as saying San Francisco would be destroyed by an earthquake today. No earthquake was felt in San Francisco on this day.

October 15, 1886
There was an earthquake at about 10 p.m.

November 11, 1886
Slight earthquake shock at 7:11 p.m.

December 6, 1886
An earthquake was felt here and at Santa Cruz.


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January 11, 1887
Two earthquake shocks were felt at 4:10 a.m.
October 19, 1887
Slight earthquake shock was felt today.

December 4, 1887
Light earthquake felt at 4:30 a.m. Reports from Haywards said it was a sharp shock.


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January 17, 1888
Earthquake was felt at 10:10 p.m. Also felt in Oakland.
February 29, 1888
A strong earthquake was felt today at 2:50 p.m. The quake consisted of two shocks about one minute apart. Many people along Montgomery St. became alarmed. It was most severe around Pine and Mason sts. Two waves were recorded on the Duplex seismometer at 917 Pine St. Reports from Santa Rosa said walls were cracked there.

March 28, 1888
Professor Davidson said there was a light earthquake shock at 1:41 a.m. that woke some people up.

September 23, 1888
Slight shock of earthquake at 11:30 a.m.

November 18, 1888
Shocks of earthquake were felt at 2:28 p.m., 3:30 p.m. and 5:37 p.m. No damage in San Francisco, but chimneys were thrown down in Brooklyn, East Oakland.


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May 19, 1889
Earthquake today did minor damage in San Francisco. It was most severe at Antioch.
July 31, 1889
Severe earthquake shock was felt. It damaged the telescope at Chabot College in Oakland.

November 15, 1889
A light earthquake shock was felt here. It was very severe in Healdsburg.


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April 24, 1890
Earthquake felt in San Francisco. It was very strong near Chittenden, east of Watsonville, where chimneys were thrown down and fissures appeared near the fault. The railroad track was moved by the earthquake.
May 11, 1890
Light earthquake in San Francisco, but very heavy at San Leandro where some buildings were shaken.

May 14, 1890
The railroad has kept a crew of carpenters in the vicinity of bridges near the Chittenden Ranch above Pajaro because of continued earthquake shaking and the need to repair the bridges.

July 1, 1890
Sharp shock of earthquake at 12:33 a.m that lasted 10 seconds and woke many people up. Gas fixtures and window frames rattled.


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January 2, 1891
Light earthquake shock at noon. Damage was reported at San Jose and Lick Observatory.
May 6, 1891
Four-second earthquake shock at 8:30 p.m.

May 8, 1891
Very minor earthquake at 6:10 p.m. that was noticed by few people.

May 20, 1891
A light earthquake was felt at 10:04 p.m.

June 28, 1891
Double shock of earthquake at about 3 a.m.

August 23, 1891
Strange reports from Mono Lake told of the lake emitting columns of steam and sulphurous fumes rising from the land. There was an earthquake there last Sunday.

October 11, 1891
Light earthquake shock felt in San Francisco. It was reported that the shock was apparently most severe at Napa and Sonoma where people were shaken out of bed.

October 14, 1891
Another light earthquake at 4:30 this morning. It did cause damage at Sonoma which was visited by earthquake on Oct. 11.


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April 19, 1892
A very strong shock of earthquake. At the Palace Hotel many people were frightened and some statuettes and glass were broken. The clock of the Ferry Building stopped as did other clocks in the building. Felt severely on made ground. Greatest damage was in the Vacaville area where nearly all of the brick structures were wrecked.
April 21, 1892
Many of the buildings that survived the earthquake of April 19 were knocked down at Vacaville. The shock was quite sharp in San Francisco.

April 29, 1892
Distinct earthquake was felt at 4:09 this afternoon.

May 18, 1892
Light earthquake shock felt that was much stronger in Oakland.

June 26, 1892
Light earthquake felt at 5:23 a.m.

October 21, 1892
An earthquake was felt here tonight at 10:28. Reports from Napa and Sonoma said the shock was strong there and it demolished chimneys and broke windows. Every plastered house showed signs of the shock.

November 24, 1892
Light shock of earthquake at 12:10 a.m. that lasted two seconds.


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June 6, 1893
Strong earthquake today at 9:25 a.m. and many men in downtown offices rushed to the streets. The shock was much more severe in Oakland.
July 30, 1893
Short, sharp earthquake at 1:30 a.m.

August 9, 1893
An earthquake was felt at 1:15 a.m. It was later learned that the quake knocked down chimneys and broke windows at Santa Rosa. The courthouse there was also damaged.


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April 14, 1894
A slow, gentle earthquake was felt at 11:07 p.m. It was later learned that the earthquake did much damage at Mendocino and the lighthouse tower at Pt. Arena was cracked.
April 28, 1896
Professor Davidson was in the Alaska Commercial Building, 310 Sansome St., when he felt today's earthquake. He said, "All who felt the shock agreed that the movement was from east to west. The shock was very light and of short duration, lasting not more than a second, of that long."


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January 17, 1897
Two earthquake shocks four second apart were felt all over the city at 1:10 p.m.
January 20, 1897
An earthquake shock was felt today.

June 20, 1897
The severe earthquake today at 12:13 p.m. lasted 20 seconds and stopped many clocks in San Francisco. In Oakland people ran from their houses in fright. There was much damage to brick buildings in Gilroy. An adobe building was wrecked at Sargent. In Salinas chimneys and firewalls were thrown down, as they were in Hollister and Gilroy. An adobe wall of the Mission San Carlos at Monterey fell, frightening worshipers. Several fainted.

July 19, 1897
Santa Barbara was badly shaken by two shocks of earthquake at 11:45 p.m. The earthquake caused the old tower clock bell to strike.

July 26, 1897
An earthquake with a quick, jerky motion struck at 5:40 p.m.

October 2, 1897
A mild earthquake was felt at 8:42 a.m.

December 23, 1897
Two distinct earthquake shocks were felt at 5:20 a.m.


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March 30, 1898
Severe damage was done in San Francisco by the earthquake that struck at 11:43 p.m. The quake lasted 40 seconds and twisted chimneys and broke chandeliers. There was much panic. A building at 445 Clementina collapsed, and many chimneys were cracked. Whittier School on Harrison at Fourth was badly damaged because it was on made ground. Chimney on the Jefferson and Denman schools were so twisted that they were rebuilt. Heaviest damage was reported at the Naval Base at Mare Island. Congress appropriated $350,000 for repairs to the Naval Yard. A half-dozen fires were caused in Vallejo when oil lamps overturned.
April 14, 1898
Light shocks of earthquake felt in San Francisco at 10:46, 10:53 and 11:07 p.m. Many people, however, ran into the streets fearing a repetition of the March earthquake. It was reported that many buildings collapsed in Mendocino and the populace there remained out of doors for the rest of the night. 22 earthquake shocks were reported in Ukiah.

April 18, 1898
Nine shocks of earthquake were so strong at Camp Prairie in Mendocino County that the school closed.

August 7, 1898
Professor Alexander McAdie of the Weather Bureau said there was an earthquake shock at 11:57 a.m. It made doors and windows creak in the Western Addition, but there was no damage.


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April 30, 1899
Professor McAdie reported a slight earthquake at 2:41 p.m. It did break windows at Watsonville.
June 1, 1899
People rushed to the streets in panic when the earthquake struck at 11:19 p.m. Many windows were broken South-of-Market and the clock at the Union Ferry Building stopped.

July 6, 1899
Severe earthquakes struck San Francisco at 12:10 p.m. in the form of two shocks. Worst damage was reported at Pleasanton and Watsonville where windows were broken and chimneys overthrown.

August 4, 1899
Another severe earthquake struck at 12:44 p.m. It was also reported strongly at Saratoga.

August 5, 1899
Another strong earthquake today at 9:42 p.m.

October 12, 1899
An earthquake here at 9 p.m. was felt strongest at Santa Rosa where plaster was knocked from walls and some plaster fell.


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January 14, 1900
Sharp shock of earthquake was felt at 11:27 a.m.
April 30, 1900
A sharp earthquake was felt at 2:41 p.m. Reports from the Hotel Del Monte in Monterey described the earthquake there as violent.

July 29, 1900
A light earthquake was felt at 5:07 a.m.

August 31, 1900
An earthquake was felt at 7:21 p.m.


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January 2, 1901
An earthquake was felt at 11:45 a.m. It ws learned that the most damage was done in Monterey County, where the ground cracked open. Chimneys were thrown down in Parkfield.
March 3, 1901
An earthquake was felt here today.

June 26, 1901
Two light earthquakes were felt at 2:41 p.m., and 4:56 p.m.

October 29, 1901
An earthquake was felt at 4:36 p.m

December 14, 1901
A shock of earthquake was felt at 8:14 a.m. that lasted six seconds.

December 15, 1901
Another earthquake was felt at 12:11 p.m.


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April 13, 1902
An earthquake of two or three short jolts were felt.
April 19, 1902
Today's earthquake at 8:09 a.m. caused chandeliers to sway and crockery to rattle. The earthquake was two shocks ten seconds apart.

May 19, 1902
A moderate earthquake was felt at 10:31 a.m. Reports were that nearly all chimneys were thrown down at Elmira in Solano County.

May 20, 1902
A rolling earthquake was felt today at 10:20 p.m.

August 11, 1902
An earthquake at 6:09 a.m. was also felt in Berkeley and Livermore.

September 18, 1902
A three-second earthquake was felt at 3:51 a.m.

September 23, 1902
There was an earthquake at 5:31 a.m., and the sea was much disturbed at Fort Point.


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June 11, 1903
Quite a severe shock of earthquake at 5:12 a.m. that was also felt in Sonoma and Placer counties. It was described at Niles as being the most severe jolt since Oct. 21, 1868.
August 2, 1903
Quite a severe earthquake jolt did some damage in San Francisco. The most damage was reported in San Jose where hardly a building is not more or less damaged. The quake knocked the seismographs at Lick Observatory out of commission.

January 2, 1904
A three-second earthquake was felt at 10:04 p.m.

January 3, 1904
A mild earthquake was felt at 2:38 a.m.

January 5, 1904
A series of earthquake began at 2:30 a.m. today and ended around 10 a.m. All were small.

January 11, 1904
An earthquake was felt today.

February 22, 1904
Earthquake felt at 3 a.m.

March 1, 1904
Light earthquake felt at 6:09 a.m.

April 21, 1904
Mild earthquake felt at 3:50 a.m.

April 27, 1904
An earthquake was felt at 9:10 p.m.

July 21, 1904
Very mild earthquake felt at 11:25 p.m.

July 30, 1904
Earthquake felt at 2:26 a.m.

November 27, 1904
Mild earthquake was felt at 8:20 a.m.

December 1, 1904
A series of four earthquakes were felt between 1 o'clock and 1:10 a.m.

December 2, 1904
A shock of earthquake was felt today.

December 4, 1904
Mild earthquake felt at 12:04 a.m. The earthquake was reported to have been quite severe at Eureka.

December 5, 1904
An earthquake was felt here today.

December 6, 1904
Another earthquake was felt today.

December 8, 1904
Another mild earthquake today at 4:14 a.m

December 9, 1904
Another mild earthquake today.

December 14, 1904
An earthquake this morning at 7:10 a.m was felt all around the Bay.

December 16, 1904
Another earthquake was felt.


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January 1, 1905
Several windows were broken by an earthquake today at 3:38 p.m.
March 18, 1905
There was an earthquake today.

April 18, 1905
Another earthquake today.

April 25, 1905
An earthquake at 3:15 p.m. caused landslides along the coast in San Mateo County.

May 25, 1905
An earthquake was felt at about 6:50 a.m. It was also felt in Fresno, Salinas, Santa Cruz and Yosemite.

July 13, 1905
There was an earthquake today.

August 8, 1905
An earthquake was felt here today.

August 22, 1905
There was another earthquake today.

August 31, 1905
An earthquake was felt today.

September 16, 1905
An earthquake was felt here today and at Fruitvale across the Bay.

November 26, 1905
An earthquake was felt today.

November 27, 1905
There was another earthquake today.

November 28, 1905
An earthquake was felt for two seconds at 11:25 a.m.

December 3, 1905
A strong earthquake was felt here today at 11:30 a.m. causing much alarm.

December 18, 1905
There was an earthquake today at noon.

December 28, 1905
There was an earthquake today.


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March 5, 1906
Professor McAdie reported an earthquake at 9:30 p.m.
April 18, 1906
San Francisco was wrecked by a Great Earthquake and then destroyed by the seventh Great Fire that burned for four days. Hundreds, perhaps thousands of trapped persons died when South-of-Market tenements collapsed into liquefied "made" ground. Most of those buildings immediately caught fire and trapped victims could not be rescued. Fire Chief Engineer Dennis T. Sullivan was mortally wounded when a chimney of California Theatre and hotel fell upon the fire station in which he lived at 410-412 Bush St. Acting Chief Engineer John Dougherty commanded fire operations. All telephone and telegraph communications stopped within the city, although some commercial telegraph circuits to New York and to India remained temporarily in operation. There were 135 aftershocks on April 18 and 22 on April 19.

The earthquake was so strong that sensitive seismographs around the Bay were either knocked from their supports or the records went off the scale, so that they gave no information as to the actual earthquake movements.

The shock was perceptable from Coos Bay, Oregon, to Los Angeles, and as far east as central Nevada, an area of about 375,000 square miles, approximately half of which was in the Pacific Ocean. The region of destructive effect extended from the southern part of Fresno County to Eureka, about 400 miles, and for a distance of 25 to 30 miles on either side of the fault zone. The distribution of intensity within the region of destruction was uneven. Of course all structures standing on or crossing the rift were destroyed or badly damaged. Many trees standing near the fault were either uprooted or broken off. Perhaps the most marked destruction of trees near Loma Prieta, where, according to Dr. John C. Branner, "The forest looked as though a swath had been cut through it two hundred feet in width." In little less than a mile he counted 345 earthquake cracks running in all directions.

The U.S. Post Office at Seventh and Mission sts. was dreadfully damaged by the earthquake. Assistant to the Postmaster Burke said, "walls had been thrown into the middle of various rooms, destroying furniture and covering everything with dust. In the main corridors the marble was split and cracked, while the mosaics were shattered and had come rattling down upon the floor. Chandeliers were rent and twisted by falling arches and ceilings."

Within the area of destruction, the distribution of destructive effects was far from uniform. These were greatest in the immediate neighborhood of the fault zone, but there were place many miles from the San Andreas fault where the earthquake destruction was greater than in other places near the fault. Intenstified effects were found in the alluvial valley region extending from San Jose to Healdsburg. Santa Rosa, twenty miles from the San Andreas fault line, sustained more damage, in proportion to its size than any other city in the state. This suggested to scientists the possible movement on the Hayward fault, and perhaps others, although no surface indications of such movement were found.

April 18, 1906
Two earthquake in Los Angeles just before noon, about ten minutes apart. The quaking began as thousands gathered around bulletin boards to read the latest dispatches from San Francisco. Thousands ran in panic when the earthquakes struck.

April 22, 1906
Father Ricard at the University of Santa Clara wrote to the "San Jose Mercury"; "The earthquake period is gone. Once the pent up forces of nature have had a vent, nothing of a serious nature need be apprehended. At the most a succession of minor shocks may be felt and that's all. It is not unreasonable, therefore, for people to continue in dread of a new destructive temblor. People should fearlessly go to work and repair mischief done and sleep quietly at night anywhere at all, especially in wooden frame. Never mind foreboders of evil: they do not know what they are talking about Seismonetry is in its infancy and those therefore who venture out with predictions of future earthquakes when the main shock has taken place out to be arrested as disturbers of the peace."

April 25, 1906
Famed actress Mme. Helena Modjeska placed her ranch near Los Angeles at the disposal of refugees from San Francisco and other cities affected by earthquake and fire.

May 5, 1906
Jack London's eyewitness account of the earthquake and fire was published in Collier's Magazine. London was paid 25 cents per word for the article.

May 17, 1906
A very strong earthquake was felt at 8:21 p.m. It was stronger than most of the hundreds of tremors that have been felt since the Great Earthquake.

May 19, 1906
Governor Pardee asked the subcommittee of the Mayor's Committee on Reconstruction of San Francisco to write proposed legislation for special Call of the Legislature to assist San Francisco following the earthquake. Subcommittee members include Tirey Ford of United Railroads. Garret McEnerney and "Boss" Abraham Ruef. Subcommittee wrote the Burnt Records Act, as well as the enabling legislation to allow the proposed City and County of Los Angeles to acquire Owens Valley water for protection against major fires such as the one that destroyed San Francisco.

May 22, 1906
United Railroads received by telegraph $200,000 to be used to bribe city officials. The money was received in gold, but was exchanged at the U.S. Mint for small bills donated for earthquake relief.

July 28, 1906
Professor Simon Litman of the University of California told students in Philadelphia that San Francisco would never again be destroyed by earthquake as it was a few months ago. The professor said new buildings were being constructed that could not be destroyed by earthquake.

December 24, 1906
Los Angeles Citizens' Relief Committee donated $10,000 to San Francisco. $5000 went to the University of California Hospital to care for injured earthquake survivors. The balance went to the Golden Gate Orphanage and the Industrial Farm for Destitute Children.


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January 6, 1907
Mild earthquake was felt here and in Santa Cruz as well, where it was described as a quick, vicious shaker.
April 13, 1907
New York City police were on the lookout for San Francisco attorney Walter C. Stevens, who lost everything in the earthquake, became despondent, and was given money by the relief committee to go East. It was feared he would commit suicide.

June 5, 1907
Strong earthquake felt around the Bay at 12:27 a.m.

April 25, 1908
Slow, gentle earthquake that lasted more than a half-minute was felt at 3:33 a.m.

April 29, 1908
Sharp earthquake felt at 12:41 a.m.

August 4, 1908
Dedication of the Relief Home for the Aged and Infirm erected from monies contributed to the relief of sufferers of the earthquake.

December 14, 1908
An earthquake was felt at 8:50 p.m.

December 22, 1908
A short earthquake jolt was felt at 1:48 p.m.


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February 14, 1909
Mild earthquake lasted ten seconds at 7:55 a.m.
June 5, 1909
John Jules Jusserand, French Ambassador to Washington, presented a gold medal to San Francisco, commemorative of her rise from the ashes and ruins of the earthquake of 1906.

October 19, 1909
Portolá Festival opened to celebrate San Francisco's recovery from the earthquake and fire.

October 28, 1909
Survivors of 1906 were terrorized today by a strong earthquake that struck at 10:45 p.m. The greatest damage was at Fortuna where chimneys were wrecked. Clocks were stopped in Eureka.

March 10, 1910
Another strong earthquake at 10:52 p.m. It was strongest near Santa Cruz and was felt all the way to Nevada City.

June 9, 1910
Two earthquake jolts at 10:30 p.m. The quake was centered in Alameda.

December 31, 1910
An earthquake at 4:11 a.m. woke some people up in San Francisco. The quake, centered near Salinas, broke water mains there.

March 11, 1911
Another earthquake at 1:30 p.m. centered in San Benito County where plastering was cracked and things were thrown from walls.

July 1, 1911
Earthquake today at 2 p.m. caused minor damage and considerable fright among the people. It was centered near Coyote in Santa Clara County. It did considerable damage at Lick Observatory where the large telescope was moved three-fourths of an inch.

September 12, 1912
Mild earthquake at 9:27 a.m. centered in the Santa Cruz Mountains and was felt as far as Antioch.

October 25, 1913
An earthquake at 1:45 a.m. Scientists said it was centered at Colma, just south of San Francisco.

January 23, 1914
Strong earthquake at 7:33 p.m. It was centered at San Bruno along the San Andreas fault.

September 4, 1914
Earthquake centered at Laguna Honda felt at San Francisco at 12:56 a.m.

November 8, 1914
Earthquake at 6:31 p.m. centered near the town of Laurel in the Santa Cruz Mountains. Some damage was done there.

December 8, 1914
Light earthquake at 2:42 a.m. centered in the Santa Cruz Mountains.

Y habrá terremotos en todos los lugares........

¿estamos entonces en el fin del tiempo del fin?.....yo digo que si...pues es evidente..... ahora

Si estamos en el fin del tiempo del fin....

Gabriel le dijo a Daniel que los entendidos entenderan........

¿Porque no le tienes interpretación a los 2300 dias.......?

¿Porque no crees en los 10 mandamientos?..... en primera de Juan dice.....

el que no guarda los mandamientos, el tal es mentiro y la verdad NO esta en el

¿como yo te puedo creer?....¿Dime?
 
Re: NOSOTROS DEJAMOS LA IGLESIA ADVENTISTA DEL 7MO. DIA

Veamos lo que pregunté:

¿Qué tal lo del terremoto de San Franciso y Oakland?

"San Francisco y Oakland están llegando a ser como Sodoma y Gomorra, y el Señor las visitará con ira”.

Preguntas:

1. ¿Dónde y cuándo fue que EGW publicó esta advertencia?
2. ¿A quién fue dirigida?

Respuesta de "sabadv":
"Desde 1903 Elena G. De White (EGW) había amonestado a los habitantes de San Francisco y Oakland

“San Francisco y Oakland están llegando a ser como Sodoma y Gomorra, y el Señor las visitará. De aquí a no mucho tiempo sufrirán bajo sus juicios” (Manuscrito 30, 1903)_Eventos Finales de los Ultimos Días "

"Manuscrito 30" no fue una publicación dirigida a los habitantes de San Francisco y Oakland como también sé que el libro "Eventos Finales de los Últimos Días" no fue escrito por Elena White.

Así que lo que dices no responde mis preguntas. Que yo sepa, EGW no hizo advertencia alguna en San Francisco u Oakland. Sé que ella no quería que se costruyeran o compraran edificios en las grandes ciudades como también sé que ella advertía que todos los ASD deberían salir de las grandes ciudades pues, según ella, la gran tribulación estaba por comenzar.

Pero bueno... También pregunté:

3. ¿Qué ocurrió con Oakland?
4. ¿Cuántos terremotos crees que han ocurrido en San Francisco?

Tú respondiste:

Sobre Oakland, EGW escribió después:
“San Francisco ha sido visitada con duros juicios, pero Oakland hasta ahora ha sido misericordiosamente preservada. (manuscrito 25, 1908)

Oakland y San Francisco están conectadas por un puente, y resulta asombroso que Oakland no haya sido afectada mayormente por el sismo.

¿Sabías que la recién construida imprenta adventista "Pacific Press" (en Mountain View, Oakand) sufrió daños serios en dicho terremoto? ¿Sabías que 3 meses después del terremoto se quemó completamente? ¿Crees que eso fue parte de "los duros juicios" de Dios?

¿Crees que todo terremoto, tormenta, tornado e inundación son eventos relacionados con los "duros juicios" de Dios?
 
Aun siguen siendo Adventistas del Séptimo Día

Aun siguen siendo Adventistas del Séptimo Día

La mayoría de los que an dejado la IASD siguen creyendo en el advenimiento de Cristo (Adventistas) y creyendo en el sábado (del Séptimo Día).

Freddy: me siento muy mal contigo. Destilas odio. Los datos que presentas son más de lo mismo. Dices que nunca has sidoa adventista, bien, entonces lol que dices es que te lo han dicho.

Yo llevo más de medio siglo en la IASD y no he experimentado nunca lo que dices. Es cierto que predicamos mucho del Apocalipsis, de las plagas, de la segunda venida, de la bestia y su marca, de Babilonia, etc. ¿Y qué? ¿Acaso otros no lo predican? Dime si es posible predicar el último mensaje de Dios (Apoc. 14:6-12) sin mencionar el juicio pre advenimiento, Babilonia la grande, la bestia, su imagen y su marca.

Siempre hemos dicho que Babilonia representa el protestantismo apóstata, pero a la vez decimos con la voz celestial, que en su medio están cautivos verdaderos hijos de Dios (Apoc. 18:4). A estos nos conviene llamar al conocimiento dla verdad.

Dices de cientos que han dejado el adventismo, pero ¿sabes cuantos millones de Católicos, Pentecostales, Bautistas, metodistas, Presbiterianos y de otras denominacons y sectas se han vuelto adventistas? Por cada adventista que se aleja de nuestra fe, habrán cientos y miles de otras iglesias que engrosarán las filas de la Igelsia Remanente.

Y a ELG le digo que tiene un arte particular de cambiar el tema para siempre venir con los mismos argumentos hartamente debatidos. ¿Será que a este señor se le acabaron las municiones?
 
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Pues yo quiero comentar algo.

Hoy, que amanecio Sabado, todos los Sabados mi Pastor para por mi casa para llevarnos a mi y a mi hermana a la Iglesia, esta vez no paso su casa, sino que nos cito por cerca del Centro para que fuera mas rapido el viaje a la Iglesia, el chiste esque como nos levantamos medio tarde, pues se nos hizo tarde jejej, ya llegamos donde nos dijo a las 10:00am cuando empieza el culto, y el Pastor penso que no ibamos a ir, y se fue un poco antes de que llegaramos.
Asi que hay estabamos con mi hermana, y pues como los dos no estabamos seguros de como llegar solos a la Iglesia (pues esta al otro lado de la C.d) pues le dije "Vamos a alguna Iglesia Cristiana que este mas cerca y que guarde El Sabado" de hay me acorde que la mas cercana era la Iglesia Adventista del Septimo Dia, y pues aunque mi hermana no queria ir ayi por lo de la falsa profeta White, aun asi le dije que despues de todos eran Cristianos que aman al Señor, asi que fuismos.

Hermanos, llegamos y estaban dando la escuela Sabatica, era un monton de grupitos dentro de la Congre, cada uno con su esucela sabatica, los jovenes con los jovenes, los ancianos con ancianos, llegamos y sin saber que ondas con ellos jeje, porque en nuestra Iglesia la Escuela Sabatica se da bien diferente, asi que fuimos a la entrada y le preguntamos aun Diacono que ondas, jeje y el nos señalo el grupo de jovenes y que hay nos sentaramos.
Lo re admito, fue de muchisima Bendición el tema que dieron de Escuela Sabatica hoy los Adventistas...me gusto mucho, y tambien porque me dijo la lider de hay creo que eramos bien recibidos :)
Al terminar, despues, entraron en la Alabanza, como casi en mi Iglesia no cantamos Himnos, y menos los Adventistas, pues nmas me quedaba escuchando, una hermana Adventista me presto su himnario que curiosamente estaba en la parte de atras de su Biblbia Reina Valera 2000, hay aprendi algo, que el aplauso y todo eso no es necesario estricatamente para alabar a Dios, pues los hinmnos que cantaban eran muy hermosos la verdad :) me gusto mucho los himnos.
Al terminar, pasaron los niños! que hermoso! a mi hermanita le gusto mucho, pues pasaron asi en medio y les dieron una mini clase la maestra de ellos y alrededor la congragación y asta tiene su cajita con forma de Iglesia en la que solo los niños ponen las Ofrendas, y cantaron un himno bien padre.

Pasaron los hermanos de las Ofrendas que eran los diaconos de la Iglesia a recojer las ofrendas.
Y ya despues llego el Pastor, y dio un tema muy padre, que fue de gran Bendición, de que si Cristo vive en nuestro Corazón, aunque atras de mi fila estaba una señora y su hija puro criticando lo que decia el pastor por ejemplo diciendo "que exagerado", "yo no creo en eso", etc, etc..., pero algo que no creo bueno, esque cito varias veces visiones de White, diciendo "como dijo la sierva de Señor", y ps eso ya es muy atras, tome lo bueno, deseche lo malo.

Al terminar algo hicieron que pasaron todos los lideres enfrente, despues dieron unos anuncios de algunas cosas que tienes de caridad que me parecio algo muy bueno.

Casi al terminar, se oro de rodillas, yo y me hermana nos paramos antes jejejeej pero bueno esqe noe stabamos acostumbrados a que despues de "Amen" se mantienen arrodillados.

Toda la congragación estaba muy bien presentable. eso es bueno.
Al terminar le debvolvi el himanrio-Biblia a la hermana que me lo presto, y me dijo que seria bienvenido siempre, le dije que no creia volver en un buen tiempo, pues tengo una Iglesia, y no era Adventista, me despedi con un:

"Paz a Usted, Feliz Sabado, Dios la Bendiga"
al salir de la puerta, el pastor y los diaconos estaban en la puerta despidiendo a los hermanos que salieran, eso es bueno, me despedi del pastor con un "Paz a Usted" y fue una mañana de Bendición.

Despues encontramos la forma de ir a nuestra Iglesia para el turno de la tarde, el contamos al Pastor que habia pasado, y nos dijo que estaba muy bien, y si vimos algo que serviria para nuestra Iglesia lo tomaramos, y que que bueno que fue de bendición para nosotros. :D

Bueno, ahora tengo un mejor concepto de los Adventistas, me gusto mucho su organización ya que son oprdenados. eso es bueno. aunque lo que les falla es la falsa profeta.

Paz
 
Re: NOSOTROS DEJAMOS LA IGLESIA ADVENTISTA DEL 7MO. DIA

Pues yo quiero comentar algo.

Hoy, que amanecio Sabado, todos los Sabados mi Pastor para por mi casa para llevarnos a mi y a mi hermana a la Iglesia, esta vez no paso su casa, sino que nos cito por cerca del Centro para que fuera mas rapido el viaje a la Iglesia, el chiste esque como nos levantamos medio tarde, pues se nos hizo tarde jejej, ya llegamos donde nos dijo a las 10:00am cuando empieza el culto, y el Pastor penso que no ibamos a ir, y se fue un poco antes de que llegaramos.
Asi que hay estabamos con mi hermana, y pues como los dos no estabamos seguros de como llegar solos a la Iglesia (pues esta al otro lado de la C.d) pues le dije "Vamos a alguna Iglesia Cristiana que este mas cerca y que guarde El Sabado" de hay me acorde que la mas cercana era la Iglesia Adventista del Septimo Dia, y pues aunque mi hermana no queria ir ayi por lo de la falsa profeta White, aun asi le dije que despues de todos eran Cristianos que aman al Señor, asi que fuismos.

Hermanos, llegamos y estaban dando la escuela Sabatica, era un monton de grupitos dentro de la Congre, cada uno con su esucela sabatica, los jovenes con los jovenes, los ancianos con ancianos, llegamos y sin saber que ondas con ellos jeje, porque en nuestra Iglesia la Escuela Sabatica se da bien diferente, asi que fuimos a la entrada y le preguntamos aun Diacono que ondas, jeje y el nos señalo el grupo de jovenes y que hay nos sentaramos.
Lo re admito, fue de muchisima Bendición el tema que dieron de Escuela Sabatica hoy los Adventistas...me gusto mucho, y tambien porque me dijo la lider de hay creo que eramos bien recibidos :)
Al terminar, despues, entraron en la Alabanza, como casi en mi Iglesia no cantamos Himnos, y menos los Adventistas, pues nmas me quedaba escuchando, una hermana Adventista me presto su himnario que curiosamente estaba en la parte de atras de su Biblbia Reina Valera 2000, hay aprendi algo, que el aplauso y todo eso no es necesario estricatamente para alabar a Dios, pues los hinmnos que cantaban eran muy hermosos la verdad :) me gusto mucho los himnos.
Al terminar, pasaron los niños! que hermoso! a mi hermanita le gusto mucho, pues pasaron asi en medio y les dieron una mini clase la maestra de ellos y alrededor la congragación y asta tiene su cajita con forma de Iglesia en la que solo los niños ponen las Ofrendas, y cantaron un himno bien padre.

Pasaron los hermanos de las Ofrendas que eran los diaconos de la Iglesia a recojer las ofrendas.
Y ya despues llego el Pastor, y dio un tema muy padre, que fue de gran Bendición, de que si Cristo vive en nuestro Corazón, aunque atras de mi fila estaba una señora y su hija puro criticando lo que decia el pastor por ejemplo diciendo "que exagerado", "yo no creo en eso", etc, etc..., pero algo que no creo bueno, esque cito varias veces visiones de White, diciendo "como dijo la sierva de Señor", y ps eso ya es muy atras, tome lo bueno, deseche lo malo.

Al terminar algo hicieron que pasaron todos los lideres enfrente, despues dieron unos anuncios de algunas cosas que tienes de caridad que me parecio algo muy bueno.

Casi al terminar, se oro de rodillas, yo y me hermana nos paramos antes jejejeej pero bueno esqe noe stabamos acostumbrados a que despues de "Amen" se mantienen arrodillados.

Toda la congragación estaba muy bien presentable. eso es bueno.
Al terminar le debvolvi el himanrio-Biblia a la hermana que me lo presto, y me dijo que seria bienvenido siempre, le dije que no creia volver en un buen tiempo, pues tengo una Iglesia, y no era Adventista, me despedi con un:

"Paz a Usted, Feliz Sabado, Dios la Bendiga"
al salir de la puerta, el pastor y los diaconos estaban en la puerta despidiendo a los hermanos que salieran, eso es bueno, me despedi del pastor con un "Paz a Usted" y fue una mañana de Bendición.

Despues encontramos la forma de ir a nuestra Iglesia para el turno de la tarde, el contamos al Pastor que habia pasado, y nos dijo que estaba muy bien, y si vimos algo que serviria para nuestra Iglesia lo tomaramos, y que que bueno que fue de bendición para nosotros. :D

Bueno, ahora tengo un mejor concepto de los Adventistas, me gusto mucho su organización ya que son oprdenados. eso es bueno. aunque lo que les falla es la falsa profeta.

Paz

Jorgito..

Paz a ti y a los tuyos!!

Estoy muy de acuerdo contigo, si la IASD pusiera MENOS enfasis en su profetisa, estoy seguro que les iria mejor..Y como lo dije en otro lugar, Estos Hnos tienen muchos aspectos muy positivos y es que en cuanto a la reverencia en el templo de los adventistas y el orden en sus reuniones, elos tienen mucho que ense~arnos, en ademas, a pesar de los errores de la sra white, admiro a los adventistas porque matienen sus principios doctrinales a pesar del paso del tiempo..

Lamentablemente cerca a un lugar en donde vivi, habia una congregacion de la iglesia de Dios del 7mo dia que tenia principios solidos y debido a su "Credo Abierto" fueron cambiando en la alabanza introduciendo y foentando musica rock "cristiana" en sus cultos del Sabado, Igual a la iglesia carismatica del vecindario, e3n verdad no habia diferencia entre las dos iglesias
Otro problema alli es que casi la mitad de estos hermanos YA TRABAJAN en los dias sabados diciendo que el dia YA NO es importante mientras que otros se fueron a otras iglesias domingueras, desafortunadamente el pastor se mantiene callado ante esto..Esta situacion esta ocurriendo en muchos lugares debido a la libertad que ofrece el llamado "credo abierto" y aunquie no defiendo a los adventistas, considero que por lo menos ellos mantienen sus principios a pesar del paso de los tiempos....
 
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Jorgito..

Paz a ti y a los tuyos!!

Estoy muy de acuerdo contigo, si la IASD pusiera MENOS enfasis en su profetisa, estoy seguro que les iria mejor..Y como lo dije en otro lugar, Estos Hnos tienen muchos aspectos muy positivos y es que en cuanto a la reverencia en el templo de los adventistas y el orden en sus reuniones, elos tienen mucho que ense~arnos, en ademas, a pesar de los errores de la sra white, admiro a los adventistas porque matienen sus principios doctrinales a pesar del paso del tiempo..

Lamentablemente cerca a un lugar en donde vivi, habia una congregacion de la iglesia de Dios del 7mo dia que tenia principios solidos y debido a su "Credo Abierto" fueron cambiando en la alabanza introduciendo y foentando musica rock "cristiana" en sus cultos del Sabado, Igual a la iglesia carismatica del vecindario, e3n verdad no habia diferencia entre las dos iglesias
Otro problema alli es que casi la mitad de estos hermanos YA TRABAJAN en los dias sabados diciendo que el dia YA NO es importante mientras que otros se fueron a otras iglesias domingueras, desafortunadamente el pastor se mantiene callado ante esto..Esta situacion esta ocurriendo en muchos lugares debido a la libertad que ofrece el llamado "credo abierto" y aunquie no defiendo a los adventistas, considero que por lo menos ellos mantienen sus principios a pesar del paso de los tiempos....

Pues, es bueno que mas Iglesias se esten volvioendo mas carismaticas, eso es bueno, ya que alaban segun como dice Salmo 47, lo otro de no dar importancia al dia ya no sta bien....

Paz
 
Re: NOSOTROS DEJAMOS LA IGLESIA ADVENTISTA DEL 7MO. DIA

Otro problema alli es que casi la mitad de estos hermanos YA TRABAJAN en los dias sabados diciendo que el dia YA NO es importante mientras que otros se fueron a otras iglesias domingueras, desafortunadamente el pastor se mantiene callado ante esto..Esta situacion esta ocurriendo en muchos lugares debido a la libertad que ofrece el llamado "credo abierto" y aunquie no defiendo a los adventistas, considero que por lo menos ellos mantienen sus principios a pesar del paso de los tiempos....
..
...Bueno "en todas partes cuecen habas":
La anciana de la Iglesia ADV 7º DÍA, de mi ciudad, a la que yo por 24 años asistí, era enfermera y hasta el día de su jubilación trabajó todos los sábados que no consiguió que una compañera le cambiara el turno. Y esos otros sábados hizo trabajar un día de "reposo" a las compañeras que no eran adventistas.
...
...Así es la vida...
....
...Saludos a todos.
 
Re: NOSOTROS DEJAMOS LA IGLESIA ADVENTISTA DEL 7MO. DIA

Por culpa de otra ancianita ya no eres adeventista?

La otra te "hablo" mal de la masturbacion...te hubiera gustado que te hable lo bueno de la masturbacion...no?


La otra ancianita te dio mal ejemplo...te hubiere gustado que deje a sus pacientes..."anciana fanatica dejo morir a su paciente"...no?
 
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Jorgito..

Paz a ti y a los tuyos!!

Estoy muy de acuerdo contigo, si la IASD pusiera MENOS enfasis en su profetisa, estoy seguro que les iria mejor..Y como lo dije en otro lugar, Estos Hnos tienen muchos aspectos muy positivos y es que en cuanto a la reverencia en el templo de los adventistas y el orden en sus reuniones, elos tienen mucho que ense~arnos, en ademas, a pesar de los errores de la sra white, admiro a los adventistas porque matienen sus principios doctrinales a pesar del paso del tiempo..

Lamentablemente cerca a un lugar en donde vivi, habia una congregacion de la iglesia de Dios del 7mo dia que tenia principios solidos y debido a su "Credo Abierto" fueron cambiando en la alabanza introduciendo y foentando musica rock "cristiana" en sus cultos del Sabado, Igual a la iglesia carismatica del vecindario, e3n verdad no habia diferencia entre las dos iglesias
Otro problema alli es que casi la mitad de estos hermanos YA TRABAJAN en los dias sabados diciendo que el dia YA NO es importante mientras que otros se fueron a otras iglesias domingueras, desafortunadamente el pastor se mantiene callado ante esto..Esta situacion esta ocurriendo en muchos lugares debido a la libertad que ofrece el llamado "credo abierto" y aunquie no defiendo a los adventistas, considero que por lo menos ellos mantienen sus principios a pesar del paso de los tiempos....



No estoy de acuerdo contigo...no quiero que nos "vaya bien"... me gusta el zarandeo, que sublime es el zarandeo...solo lo mejor queda y no me refiero solo a la IASD...los hijos de Dios estan siendo zarandeados...que privilegio de vivir en una epoca claramente profetizada.

Dios te bendiga.
 
Re: NOSOTROS DEJAMOS LA IGLESIA ADVENTISTA DEL 7MO. DIA

Por culpa de otra ancianita ya no eres adeventista?
Sabes que no soy adventista desde el momento en que leí los escritosadventistas.
...
..A nadie le echo las culpas, me bastó con leer lo que escribió la señora Elena G. de White y lo que los adventista escribieron en estos foros.
...
..Saludos.
 
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Sabes que no soy adventista desde el momento en que leí los escritosadventistas.
...
..A nadie le echo las culpas, me bastó con leer lo que escribió la señora Elena G. de White y lo que los adventista escribieron en estos foros.
...
..Saludos.

pero sabemos que NO puedes ir a otra denominación, no porque te esten aguantando...... sino porque reconoces que las otras no concuerdan en nada con las santas escrituras.
 
Re: NOSOTROS DEJAMOS LA IGLESIA ADVENTISTA DEL 7MO. DIA

GEORGE:

Debes ser cuidadoso en esto de ir a otras iglesias que guardan el sabado, por el simple hecho de que guarden el santo sabado. Bien sabes que hay iglesias de Dios (7mo. Dia) en Mexico, muchas por cierto.

TEngo varias razones para ser cuidadoso en visitar iglesias que guardan el sabado, sobre todo si es la Iglesia Adventista del 7mo. Dia. Les respeto, como personas y aprecio porque se que son gente sincera que ama a Jesucristo y viven para El, aun en medio de sus doctrinas antibiblicas.

Varias razones dare para que los sabatarios tengan cuidado en congregarse con los adventistas del 7mo. Dia:

1. Creen que la biblia tiene errores para validar los errores profeticos de su profetiza.

2. Han escrito dos biblias, algo similar a los testigos de Jehova.

3. Creen que Cristo es el Arcangel Miguel. Una doctrina muy peligrosa ya que esta es una de las bases de los testigos de Jehova para decir que Cristo es creado. Cuando los adventistas aceptaron la doctrina de la Trinidad en el 1931, luego de muerta su falsa profetiza para poder lidiar con los que no asimilaron la doctrina de la Trinidad, aceptaron que Cristo es el ARcangel Miguel. Esto es bien peligroso y lastima la Deidad de Jesucristo.

4. Citan a diestra y siniestra a su profetiza y creen que conocer sus escritos es parte de ser la unica y exclusiva iglesia verdadera (vean su doctrina #12 y #17 de su credo). Es hasta un requisito de bautismo aceptarla a ella como don profetico.

5. Su doctrina del juicio investigador es como la del purgatorio catolico, es comparada asi por muchos expertos en justificacion por la fe.

6. Creen doctrinas antibiblicas, que Elena G. de White es profeta, que ellos son la unica iglesia verdadera, que la marca de la bestia es el domingo, que al igual que a nostradamus y a Jose Smith, a ella se le cumplieron visiones y profecias, que para bautizarse hay que regirse por su voto bautismal.

7. Han hecho del sabado y la santa ley de Dios una carga y no una delicia al añadirle costumbres y tradiciones sin base en la biblia y armando toda la profecia del tiempo del fin en base a sabado o domingo, demonizando a los que no creen como ellos ni aceptan su falsa profetiza y su falsa doctrinas de un juicio investigador con su mala interpretacion de los 2,300 dias.

Creo que esto hace que su adoración esté contaminada y los hijos de Dios no debemos ofrecer culto donde se ha contaminado la adoracion a Dios. La adoración sabática que Dios pide es en base a su Hijo Jesucristo y su sangre derramada en la cruz, no en base a los conceptos que enseña el adventismo y su falsa profetiza. Y no digamos las ideas confusas que tienen de nuestro precioso Señor Jesucristo, quien tiene Deidad total como Dios el Padre, PERO JESUCRISTO NO ES UN ARCANGEL, ESTO ES UNA IDEA ANTIBIBLICA Y ARRIANA DE LOS TESTIGOS DE JEHOVA, MUY PELIGROSA.

Un cristiano sabatico verdadero no puede adorar con los adventistas del 7mo dia, ya que ellos, lamentablemente se han ido por el mundo de los cultos y por la falsa adoracion.

Cuando yo viajo fuera del estado donde vivo, siempre me aseguro que haya una iglesia de Dios (7mo. Dia) cerca y gracias a Dios, siempre he encontrado donde adorar en el dia del Señor. Aunque hay otros grupos sabatarios cristocentricos que guardan el santo sabado sin los conceptos adventistas como los bautistas del 7mo. dia y algunas iglesias sabatarias que guardan las fiestas.

Pero hay que cuidarse con esto de los adventistas, tienen unas desviaciones serias y peligrosas de la palabra de Dios.
 
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Sabes que no soy adventista desde el momento en que leí los escritosadventistas.
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..A nadie le echo las culpas, me bastó con leer lo que escribió la señora Elena G. de White y lo que los adventista escribieron en estos foros.
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..Saludos.


Si...te entiendo porque tu metodologia y sistemologia de analisis es mas ataeista que cualquier ateo...y si hubiera un concurso de ateos perderias absolutamente porque ni creerias que ganaste.

Por eso nunca mas (asi con tu incredulidad y dudas de todo y de todos) jamas asistiras a ninguna reunion de personas que tengan fe en algo que no se ve ni cuadra con tu punto de vista y tus matematicas...si no cambias no iras al cielo ("y hay cielo?")...cree...por favor cree en algo...ejercita tu fe y asi llegaras a creer en el Hijo de Dios.
Asiste a alguna iglesia cristiana o musulmana o buduista o lo que sea pero pon a trabajar tu fe (el hombre ya nace con esa semilla)..por favor que tu europismo no te aleje del Senor.
Cree por favor y no le heches la culpa a los adventistas.
 
Re: NOSOTROS DEJAMOS LA IGLESIA ADVENTISTA DEL 7MO. DIA

hermanos..no soy adventista (y aun si lo fuera escribiria estas palabras) pero siempre he creido que Dios tiene un remanente de cada iglesia. el no separara en el cielo a los testigos en un cuarto ni a los adventistas en otro, ni a mormones en otro... yo creo que las diferencias las hacemos nosotros los seres humanos. en la iglesia que estes solo haz una cosa: busca de todo tu corazon a Dios.. y no te fijes en los errores de los demas, (ya que si lo haces, dondequiera que vayas encontraras errores entre las diferentes denominaciones) solo asi podras poner los ojos en Jesus el autor y consumador de la fe.. y si tu, mi hermano ya te saliste de esa iglesia mira que no seas tropiezo para otros que estan firmes ahi... primero pide direccion al señor antes de hacer cualquier comentario ok?
Que Dios bendiga a los adventistas, a los mormones, a los pentecosteses, etc etc etc...!!