BELLISIMOS PASAJES DE LA TRINIDAD

Re: BELLISIMOS PASAJES DE LA TRINIDAD

Veo que Alfageme no impugna "y el Verbo era Dios", Jn. 1:1.

Eso está más que explicado por activa y por pasiva Escudriñador.

Voy a citarte esas palabras por una traducción Biblica que no está traducida "ni manipulada" por los Testigos de Jehová.

Joh 1:1 εν En αρχη principio ην era οla λογος Palabra και y ο la λογος Palabra ην era προς hacia τον a el θεον Dios και y θεος dios ην era ο la λογος Palabra. WH Griego Gspañol

Y ahora compara con el Salmo 8:5 אֱלֹהִים Elohín = ángeles.

אֱלֹהִים en Hebreo =elohín, en el salmo 8:5, este título lo ostentan también los ángeles.

θεος en griego =elohín en Juan 1.1, también lo ostenta Jesús

Además en Juan1:1 se nos dice que Jesús estaba en compañía de Dios.

"Y el Verbo estaba con Dios" si alguien está en compañía de alguien, ya no pede ser ese alguien,puede ser parecido,pero no es el mismo alguien.

Un saludo cordial

Alfageme
 
Re: BELLISIMOS PASAJES DE LA TRINIDAD

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Jesucristo es el Todopoderoso YHVH! y en Él habita corporalmente, toda la Divinidad de YHVH.


Luis Alberto42


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mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:50%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> No, nadie ha leído semejante disparate, eso es una torcedura de la escritura. El poder que tienen Jesús se lo ha dado el Padre. <sup>[FONT=&quot]18[/FONT]</sup>[FONT=&quot]Y Jesús se acercó y les habló diciendo: Toda potestad me es dada en el cielo y en la tierra.[/FONT] Y... <sup>[FONT=&quot] 2[/FONT]</sup>[FONT=&quot]como le has dado potestad sobre toda carne, para que dé vida eterna a todos los que le diste.[/FONT]<sup>[FONT=&quot] 3[/FONT]</sup>[FONT=&quot]Y esta es la vida eterna: que te conozcan a ti, el único Dios verdadero, y a Jesucristo, a quien has enviado.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
<sup>[FONT=&quot]25 [/FONT]</sup>[FONT=&quot]Porque es necesario que Cristo reine hasta poner a todos sus enemigos debajo de sus pies. <sup>26 </sup>El último enemigo que será destruido es la muerte, <sup>27 </sup>pues Dios «ha sometido todo a su dominio».[/FONT] Al decir que «[FONT=&quot]todo» ha quedado sometido a su dominio, es claro que no se incluye a Dios mismo, quien todo lo sometió a Cristo. <sup>28 </sup>Y cuando todo le sea sometido, entonces el Hijo mismo se someterá a aquel que le sometió todo, para que Dios sea todo en todos. 1Cor.15[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]....bienaventurado y solo Soberano, Rey de reyes, y Señor de señores,[/FONT]<sup>[FONT=&quot] 16[/FONT]</sup>[FONT=&quot]el único que tiene inmortalidad, que habita en luz inaccesible; a quien ninguno de los hombres ha visto ni puede ver, al cual sea la honra y el imperio sempiterno. Amén. 1Tim.6[/FONT]
 
Re: BELLISIMOS PASAJES DE LA TRINIDAD

Claro que puede. Y como el hijo de un hombre es un hombre (humano), y el hijo de un perro es un perro, así también el Hijo de Dios es Dios. Así de sencillo.

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mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:50%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> ¡Ave María que tontería! Santa María Madre de Dios, ruega por tus hijos separaditos.... ¡Ay papá, que cerca están estos ex icaritos de su mamá ICAR. La abandonaron pero siguen hablando como ella; el veneno de la idolatria aun no ha salido de su mente.





<sup>[FONT=&quot]5 [/FONT]</sup>[FONT=&quot]Yo YHWH, ÚNICO; no hay más Dios.
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[FONT=&quot]Is.45:5[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot].....Yo YHWH Dios, Dios justo que salvo, no hay otro.
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[FONT=&quot]Is.45:21[/FONT]​




<sup>[FONT=&quot]29[/FONT]</sup>[FONT=&quot]Jesús le respondió: El primer mandamiento de todos es: Oye, Israel; el Señor nuestro Dios, el Señor uno es.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] Mr.12:29[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]....bienaventurado y solo Soberano, Rey de reyes, y Señor de señores,[/FONT]<sup>[FONT=&quot] 16</sup>[/FONT][FONT=&quot]el único que tiene inmortalidad, que habita en luz inaccesible; a quien ninguno de los hombres ha visto ni puede ver, al cual sea la honra y el imperio sempiterno. Amén.
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[FONT=&quot]1Tim.6[/FONT]



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<sup>[FONT=&quot]6[/FONT]</sup>[FONT=&quot]para nosotros, sin embargo, [los que no somos politeístas, ni repetidores de dogmas de la ICAR] sólo hay un Dios, el Padre, del cual proceden todas las cosas [incluyendo el Cristo], y nosotros somos para él; y un Señor, Jesucristo,...
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Re: BELLISIMOS PASAJES DE LA TRINIDAD

Y esta es la vida eterna que te conozcan a ti el UNICO DIOS VERDADERO.
 
Re: BELLISIMOS PASAJES DE LA TRINIDAD

El profeta Isaías:

<SUP>[FONT=&quot]5 [/FONT]</SUP>[FONT=&quot]Yo YHWH, ÚNICO; no hay más Dios. Is.45:5[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot].....Yo YHWH Dios, Dios justo que salvo, no hay otro. Is.45:21[/FONT]










Dios asegura ser el unico Dios y tambien dice ser el primero y el ultimo

pero Jesus tambien es el primero y el ultimo como puede Jesus tener el mismo titulo de Dios sin ser Dios

podemos nostros usar los mismo nombre de Dios???



IS 48.12 Yo soy el unico Dios, Yo soy el primero y ultimo
IS 44.6 El Señor, el Rey y libertador de Israel, el Señor todopoderoso dice: Yo soy el primero y el ultimo.
IS 41.4 Yo, el Señor, el unico Dios, el primero y el ultimo.

REV 1.17 No tengas miedo; Yo soy el primero y el ultimo y el que vive. Estuve muerto pero ahora vivo para siempre.
REV 2.8 Esto dice el primero y el ultimo, el que murio y ha vuelto a vivir.
REV 22.13 Yo soy el alfa y la omega, el primero y el ultimo.
 
Re: BELLISIMOS PASAJES DE LA TRINIDAD

Dios es el pastor , Jesus es el Pastor

cual de los dos sera tu pastor???

IS 40.10 Aqui viene el Dios de ustedes, viene como un pastor que cuida su rebaño
EZ 34.11 Yo el Señor digo: Yo mismo voy a encargarme del cuidado de mi rebaño.
ZAC 13.7 El Señor todopoderoso afirma: Levantate espada contra mi pastor y contra mi ayudante , mata al pastor y el rebaño se dispersara.

JN 10.15 Ellas me obedecen y habra un solo rebaño y un solo Pastor.
JN 10.11 Yo soy el Buen Pastor
HEB 13.20 Que el Dios de paz , que resucito de la muerte a nuestro Señor Jesucristo. el Gran Pastor de le ovejas con la sangre que confirma el pacto.

y habra un solo rebaño y un solo Pastor

Jesus asegura que habra un solo pastor, entonces que hacemos con Dios que dice ser el Pastor principal
 
Re: BELLISIMOS PASAJES DE LA TRINIDAD

Dios dice ser la fuente de agua viva , Jesus dice que el es la fuente

cual de dos es???

JER 2.13 Mi pueblo cometio un doble pecado: me abandono a mi fuente de agua viva.

JN 7.37 Del corazon del que cree en mi, brotaran rios de agua viva.
JN 4.10 Si supieras lo que Dios da y quien es el que te esta pidiendo agua, tu le pedirias a el, y el te daria agua
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Rev 21:6 Después me dijo: "Ya está hecho. Yo soy el alfa y la omega,el principio y el fin. Al que tenga sed le daré a beber del manantial del agua de la vida, sin que le cueste nada.
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Re: BELLISIMOS PASAJES DE LA TRINIDAD

manuel96;1094833]Dios dice ser la fuente de agua viva , Jesus dice que el es la fuente cual de dos es???[/
JER 2.13 Mi pueblo cometio un doble pecado: me abandono a mi fuente de agua viva.

JN 7.37 Del corazon del que cree en mi, brotaran rios de agua viva.
JN 4.10 Si supieras lo que Dios da y quien es el que te esta pidiendo agua, tu le pedirias a el, y el te daria agua
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Jesús cuando estuvo en la tierra era el representante de Dios y tenía la autoridad de Dios, y según le había mandado Dios efectuaba las cosas.
Si en la antigüedad los ángeles hablaban con la autoridad de Jehová,como si fuese el propio Jehová..Cuánto más por boca de su propio Hijo Unigénito?

Heb 1:2 "en estos últimos días nos ha hablado por Su Hijo, a quien constituyó heredero de todas las cosas, por medio de quien hizo también el universo".

Si tienes un hijo y una empresa donde van mal las cosas,mandas a tu hijo solucionarlas y le das toda la autoridad para arregle esa empresa tuya, ¿ en este momento quién está mandando en la empresa?...pero ¿quién es el dueño absoluto de la empresa?.


Rev 21:6 Después me dijo: "Ya está hecho. Yo soy el alfa y la omega,el principio y el fin. Al que tenga sed le daré a beber del manantial del agua de la vida, sin que le cueste nada.
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Ahí pinchaste como siempre,esas palabras las está diciendo Jehová el Todopoderoso.

Para no te perder,recuerda siempre Revelación 1:1 y y luego utilizar discernimiento.

Voy otra vez a Juan 1:1

Joh 1:1 εν En αρχη principio ην era οla λογος Palabra και y ο la λογος Palabra ην era προς hacia τον a el θεον Dios και y θεος dios ην era ο la λογος Palabra. WH Griego Gspañol

Y ahora compara con el Salmo 8:5 אֱלֹהִים Elohín = ángeles.

אֱלֹהִים en Hebreo =elohín, en el salmo 8:5, este título lo ostentan también los ángeles.

θεος en griego =elohín en Juan 1.1, también lo ostenta Jesús

Además en Juan1:1 se nos dice que Jesús estaba en compañía de Dios.

"Y el Verbo estaba con Dios" si alguien está en compañía de alguien, ya no pede ser ese alguien,puede ser parecido,pero no es el mismo alguien.

Alfageme
 
Re: BELLISIMOS PASAJES DE LA TRINIDAD

Manuel, no entiendes como se debe razonar correctamente.

Si un vecino dice que es rubio, y otro dice también que es de cabello rubio, ¿eso significa que son el mismo?
 
Re: BELLISIMOS PASAJES DE LA TRINIDAD

Y ahora compara con el Salmo 8:5 אֱלֹהִים Elohín = ángeles.

אֱלֹהִים en Hebreo =elohín, en el salmo 8:5, este título lo ostentan también los ángeles.

Elohim no significa "ángeles" sino Dios o dios. Eso es una interpretación de los setenta que tradujeron la Septuaginta.

Mira la TNM:

Sal 8:5 También procediste a hacerlo un poco menor que los que tienen parecido a Dios, y con gloria y esplendor entonces lo coronaste.
 
Re: BELLISIMOS PASAJES DE LA TRINIDAD

Elohim no significa "ángeles" sino Dios o dios. Eso es una interpretación de los setenta que tradujeron la Septuaginta.

Mira la TNM:

Sal 8:5 También procediste a hacerlo un poco menor que los que tienen parecido a Dios, y con gloria y esplendor entonces lo coronaste.

Correcto,a eso me refiero,sin embargo RV y otras muchas más traducen ese versículo como ángeles.

Un saludo cordial

Alfageme
 
Re: BELLISIMOS PASAJES DE LA TRINIDAD

Que hay que tomar toda la Biblia, y no sólo algunos pasajes aislados.

Eso es justamente lo que te digo a vos, que hay que tomar toda la Biblia.

Tú tomas ese versículo, el de tomás y algún otro por ahí aislado, y pretendes hacer toda una doctrina con eso.

Pero ignoras miles de versículos, los cuales son clarísimos, y que contradicen tu doctrina.
Y eso al parecer no te preocupa.
 
Re: BELLISIMOS PASAJES DE LA TRINIDAD

Palabras en el aire ...

Las tuyas.

Ya te he copiado multitud de pasajes y versículos a los que no das nunca ninguna respuesta.

Por ejemplo, entre muchos otros:

Deu 4:35 A ti te fue mostrado, para que supieses que Jehová es Dios, y no hay otro fuera de él.

2Sa 7:22 Por tanto, tú te has engrandecido, Jehová Dios; por cuanto no hay como tú, ni hay Dios fuera de ti, conforme a todo lo que hemos oído con nuestros oídos.

Isa 44:6 Así dice Jehová Rey de Israel, y su Redentor, Jehová de los ejércitos: Yo soy el primero, y yo soy el postrero, y fuera de mí no hay Dios.

Isa 45:5 Yo soy Jehová, y ninguno más hay; no hay Dios fuera de mí. Yo te ceñiré, aunque tú no me conociste,

¿Quién es Jehová para que no haya Dios fuera de Él? ¿El Padre? ¿El Hijo? ¿La Trinidad toda?

Esos... entre miles.

¿Quieres más?

Jua 17:3 Y esta es la vida eterna: que te conozcan a ti, el único Dios verdadero, y a Jesucristo, a quien has enviado.

Si Dios fuera "la Trinidad" ¿Por qué Jesús dice eso? ¿Mintió?

¿Quieres más?

Si nunca das respuesta a estas cosas ¡vámos!

Las tuyas son solo palabras en el aire, ya que te basas en un par de versículos que no sabes que habrán dicho en realidad, para autoconvencerte de algo que ves ya bastante claro que no puede ser así.
 
Re: BELLISIMOS PASAJES DE LA TRINIDAD

Que de por sí contradice ésto:

Jua 17:3 Y esta es la vida eterna: que te conozcan a ti, el único Dios verdadero, y a Jesucristo, a quien has enviado.

Si Dios fuera "la Trinidad" ¿Por qué Jesús dice eso? ¿Mintió?

Tu doctrina tiene menos autoridad que la de los escribas en tiempo de Jesucristo.
 
Re: BELLISIMOS PASAJES DE LA TRINIDAD

YHVH es el NOMBRE del Dios compuesto de la Biblia : Padre, Hijo y Espíritu Santo.

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[FONT=&quot]Catecismo de la ICAR. ¡Ave María![/FONT]
 
Re: BELLISIMOS PASAJES DE LA TRINIDAD

No; bíblica. Estudia la Biblia, y comprobarás que es como dije en el post 154.


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mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:50%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> [FONT=&quot] Hace rato no te leo llamarte biblista, ¿qué pasó, te distes cuenta que el traje te queda demasiado grande? A los repetidores el catecismo de la ICAR, jamás se les puede llamar biblistas. A juzgar por lo que escribes, le llamas estudiar la biblia a repetir la tradición de la ICAR, sin hacer el más elemental de los análisis.[/FONT]
 
Re: BELLISIMOS PASAJES DE LA TRINIDAD

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mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:50%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> [FONT=&quot] Hace rato no te leo llamarte biblista, ¿qué pasó, te distes cuenta que el traje te queda demasiado grande? A los repetidores el catecismo de la ICAR, jamás se les puede llamar biblistas. A juzgar por lo que escribes, le llamas estudiar la biblia a repetir la tradición de la ICAR, sin hacer el más elemental de los análisis.[/FONT]

Escudriñador es mucho menos biblista que un TJ.

Y cuando lo pones en apuros, huye.
Sino fíjate como ignoró mi post #156.