La Iglesia católica irlandesa conocía el abuso "endémico" de 35.000 niños

Re: La Iglesia católica irlandesa conocía el abuso "endémico" de 35.000 niños

Re: La Iglesia católica irlandesa conocía el abuso "endémico" de 35.000 niños

Lo unico que prueban las cifras es que hay odio anticatólico en quien se inventó eso.
Estás equivocado. Los encubrimientos existen en todo el mundo. ¿Quieres ejemplos?
 
Re: La Iglesia católica irlandesa conocía el abuso "endémico" de 35.000 niños

Re: La Iglesia católica irlandesa conocía el abuso "endémico" de 35.000 niños

segun tu, CATOLICO = PEDOFILO Y ABUSADOR DE MENORES.


Entiendo que quieras minimizar los hechos; pero no creo que se trate de la mera opinión de alguien de este foro, sino que lamentablemente para la ICR, al destaparse la cloaca se ha ventilado toda esta información al público, información que antes permanecía censurada, como si fuera un asunto de "la cosa nostra".

Finalmente el abuso es algo más que una mera desviación sexual, se trata de un asunto de poder y de control sobre sus víctimas; y la ICR ha abusado a través del miedo sobre grandes grupos de población, sobre países enteros a través del sometimiento, y l ha hecho a través de muchos modos: psicológica, sexual y espiritualmente.

Hay personas que sincera pero equivocadamente creyeron -y aun creen- que la ICR es "la iglesia", por lo que suponen es el equivalente a un pase automático al cielo; así que esta organización se ha abrogado ella misma funciones que no le corresponden ha delinquido entre otras cosas con el abuso de poder y autoridad en muchas maneras.

Pero quienes realmente han mantenido esta maquinaria religosa funcionando no es el sencillo pueblo católico, -entre quienes aún hay muchos cristianos que faltan por "salir de ella", - sino el impositivo control papal establecido sobre la base de papistas beligerantes, religiosos, incondicionales al servicio del imperio papal, fanáticos religioso al servicio de lo que ellos creen es su deber "matar (herejes, judíos, protestantes, cristianos y todo cuanto se oponga al distorsionado concepto de "iglesia" que defiende el propio sistema) en el nombre de Dios".

Ya veremos a partir de ahora, como los papistas de este foro sin ir más lejos; tratan de colocar una vez más la tapa sobre la cloaca.

¿Cómo lo haránr?

1,. Minimizando los hechos

2.- Lanzando cortinas de humo para que los lectores miren para otro lado, si es posible canalizarán este ataque hacia las iglesias evangélicas, por ejemplo.

3.- Lanzando ataques personalizados, comentarios burlones y demás bajezas

Saludos.
 
Re: La Iglesia católica irlandesa conocía el abuso "endémico" de 35.000 niños

Re: La Iglesia católica irlandesa conocía el abuso "endémico" de 35.000 niños

Tengamos estadísticas, estas no están manipuladas como usted hace que de 30% salta a un 1% como si nada.

Y en un estudio que me dió usted de 40 años tocaba su iglesia de a un pedrásta por año.



The Nature and Scope of the Problem of Sexual Abuse of Minors
by Catholic Priests and Deacons in the United States
A Research Study Conducted by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice


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In June 2002 the full body of Catholic bishops of the United States in their General Meeting in Dallas approved the Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People. The Charter created a National Review Board, which was assigned responsibility to commission a descriptive study, with the full cooperation of the dioceses/eparchies, of the nature and scope of the problem of sexual abuse of minors by clergy. The National Review Board engaged the John Jay College of Criminal Justice of the City University of New York to conduct research, summarize the collected data and issue a summary report to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops of its findings. This report by the John Jay College is authorized for publication by the undersigned.
--- Msgr. William P. Fay, General Secretary




EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

The study of sexual abuse of minors by Catholic priests and deacons resulting in this report was authorized and paid for by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) pursuant to the Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People (Charter) unanimously adopted by the USCCB at its June 2002 meeting. The Charter called for many responses to this victimization of minors within the Catholic Church. Article 9 of the Charter provided for the creation of a lay body, the National Review Board, which was mandated (among other things) to commission a descriptive study of the nature and scope of the problem of child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church.
Accordingly, the Board approached John Jay College of Criminal Justice to conduct such a study. The College assembled an experienced team of researchers with expertise in the areas of forensic psychology, criminology, and human behavior, and, working with the Board, formulated a methodology to address the study mandate. Data collection commenced in March 2003, and ended in February 2004. The information contained in this report is based upon surveys provided by 195 dioceses, representing 98% all diocesan priests in the United States, and 140 religious communities, representing approximately 60% of religious communities and 80% of all religious priests.
The mandate for the study was to:

1. Examine the number and nature of allegations of sexual abuse of minors under the age of 18 by Catholic priests between 1950 and 2002.
2. Collect information about the alleged abusers, including official status in the church, age, number of victims, responses by the church and legal authorities to the allegations of abuse, and other characteristics of the alleged abusers.
3. Collect information about the characteristics of the alleged victims, the nature of their relationship to the alleged abusers, the nature of the abuse, and the time frame within which the allegations are reported.
4. Accumulate information about the financial impact of the abuse on the Church.
Three surveys provide the data for this study:

1. A profile of each diocese, providing information about characteristics of the diocese including region and size, the total numbers of allegations, and the total expenditures occasioned by allegations of abuse.
2. A survey of church records relating to individual priests against whom allegations of abuse had been made.
3. A survey of church records relating to the alleged victims of abuse and the nature of the alleged abuse.
Based upon the inquiries and communications that we received from the dioceses, eparchies and religious communities, it is our impression that, despite the complexity of the surveys and the difficulties of identifying relevant church records, these data reflect a conscientious and good-faith effort to provide exhaustive and reliable information regarding allegations of abuse made to church authorities.
Due to the sensitive nature of the abuse allegations, which form the core of this report, many steps were taken to assure the anonymity of alleged victims and priests who were the subjects of the study. The study used a double-blind procedure in which all reports were first sent to Ernst & Young, an accounting firm, where they were stripped of information that could be used to identify the area from which they were sent. Ernst & Young then sent the unopened envelopes containing survey responses to the John Jay researchers. The data set is thus stripped of all identifying information that may be linked to an individual diocese, eparchy or religious community, priest or victim.
OVERVIEW OF PREVALENCE AND REPORTING
PREVALENCE
• Priest surveys asked for birth dates and initials of the accused priests in order to determine if a single priest had allegations in multiple dioceses, eparchies or religious communities. To maintain anonymity, this information was encrypted into a unique identifying number, and birthdays and initials were then discarded. We detected 310 matching encrypted numbers, accounting for 143 priests with allegations in more than one diocese, eparchy or religious community (3.3% of the total number of priests with allegations/estos los que fueron acusados en más de una diocesis). When we removed the replicated files of priests who have allegations in more than one place, we received allegations of sexual abuse against a total of 4,392 priests that were not withdrawn or known to be false for the period 1950-2002.(estos últimos no fueron retirados del servicio)
• The total number of priests with allegations of abuse in our survey is 4,392. The percentage of all priests with allegations of sexual abuse is difficult to derive because there is no definitive number of priests who were active between the years of 1950 and 2002. We used two sets of numbers to estimate the total number of active priests and then calculated the percentage against whom allegations were made.
o We asked each diocese, eparchy and community for their total number of active priests in this time period. Adding up all their responses, there were 109,694 priests reported by dioceses, eparchies and religious communities to have served in their ecclesiastical ministry from 1950-2002. Using this number, 4.0% of all priests active between 1950 and 2002 had allegations of abuse.(esos son 4, 387 curas acusados de abusos sexuales desde 1950 a 2002, ¿no le parece a usted demasiado?
o The Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA) reports a total of 94,607 priests for the period 1960-2002. When we look at the time period covered by the CARA database, the number of priests with allegations of sexual abuse is 4,127(¡¡Casi na!!). Thus, the percentage of priests accused for this time period is 4.3% if we rely on the CARA figures assessing the total number of priests.
o If we examine the differences between diocesan and religious priests, then our numbers result in a total of 4.3% of diocesan priests with allegations of abuse and 2.5% of religious priests with allegations of abuse. The CARA numbers yield a total of 5% of diocesan priests from 1960-1996 with allegations of abuse and 2.7% of religious priests from 1960-1996 with allegations of abuse.(¡Cuánto abusador anda por ahí suelto!!)
• Our analyses revealed little variability in the rates of alleged abuse across regions of the Catholic Church in the U.S. -- the range was from 3% to 6% of priests.
A total of 10,667 individuals made allegations of child sexual abuse by priests. Of those who alleged abuse, the file contained information that 17.2% of them had siblings who were also allegedly abused.(Madre mía, ni los hermanos se salvan!!)
• It is impossible to determine from our surveys what percent of all actual cases of abuse that occurred between 1950 and 2002 have been reported to the Church and are therefore in our dataset. Allegations of child sexual abuse are made gradually over an extended time period and it is likely that further allegations will be made with respect to recent time periods covered in our surveys. Less than 13% of allegations were made in the year in which the abuse allegedly began, and more than 25% of the allegations were made more than 30 years after the alleged abuse began.
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DISTRIBUTION OF CASES BY YEAR

• The distribution of reported cases by the year the abuse is alleged to have occurred or begun shows a peak in the year 1970. However, considering the duration of some repeated abusive acts, more abuse occurred in the 1970s than any other decade, peaking in 1980. But, these conclusions have to be qualified because additional allegations for those time periods may surface in the future.
• Alleged abuse sometimes extended over many years. In 38.4% of allegations, the abuse is alleged to have occurred within a single year, in 21.8% the alleged abuse lasted more than a year but less than 2 years, in 28% between 2 and 4 years, in 10.2% between 5 and 9 years and, in under 1%, 10 or more years.
• Approximately one-third of all allegations were reported in 2002-2003, and two-thirds have been made since 1993. Thus, prior to 1993, only one-third of cases were known to Church officials. The allegations made in 1993 and 2002-2003 include offenses that allegedly occurred within the full time period from 1950-1993 and 1950-2002. The distribution of allegations made in 2002-2003 resembles the distribution of offenses alleged at all other time periods -- with the exception that allegations of abuse in recent years are a smaller share of all allegations.(Eso que este análisis sólo abarca hasta 2002, o sea, que los últimos escándalos desde ese año para aca, no están registrados, buenos abusadores y apoyando eso!!!)

COSTS OF ALLEGATIONS
• The amount of money already paid by the Church, as a result of allegations, to victims, for the treatment of priests and for legal expenses reported in our surveys was $472,000,000. That figure is not the total paid by the Church to date -- 14% of dioceses and religious communities did not report dollar figures. In addition, survey responses were filed over a 10-month period and would not include settlements and expenses incurred after surveys were submitted. In addition, no diocese reported the recent and highly publicized $85,000,000 settlement. If we include the $85,000,000 reported settlement, the total cost paid by the church exceeds $500,000,000.(este pecado va a arruinar la ICAR, ¡Párenlo!!!)

PRIESTS AND ACCUSERS
PROFILE OF PRIESTS WITH ALLEGATIONS

• The majority of priests with allegations of abuse were ordained between 1950 and 1979 (68%). Priests ordained prior to 1950 accounted for 21.3% of the allegations, and priests ordained after 1979 accounted for 10.7% of allegations.

• Over 79% of these priests were between 25 and 29 years of age when ordained. For priests whose age at the time of the first alleged abuse was reported, the largest group -- over 40% was between 30 and 39. An additional 20% were under age 30, nearly 23% were between 40 and 49, and nearly 17% were over 50.

• At the time abuse is alleged to have occurred, 42.3% of priests were associate pastors, 25.1% were pastors, 10.4% were resident priests and 7.2% were teachers. Other categories (e.g., chaplain, deacon, and seminary administrator) were under 3% each.
• The majority of priests (56%) were alleged to have abused one victim, nearly 27% were alleged to have abused two or three victims, nearly 14% were alleged to have abused four to nine victims and 3.4% were alleged to have abused more than ten victims. The 149 priests (3.5%) who had more than ten allegations of abuse were allegedly responsible for abusing 2,960 victims, thus accounting for 26% of allegations. Therefore, a very small percentage of accused priests are responsible for a substantial percentage of the allegations.
• Though priests' personnel files contain limited information on their own childhood victimization and their substance and/or alcohol abuse problems, the surveys report that nearly 7% of priests had been physically, sexually and/or emotionally abused as children. The surveys also indicate that nearly 17% had alcohol or substance abuse problems. There are indications that some sort of intervention was undertaken by church authorities in over 80% of the cases involving substance abuse.

• The surveys indicate that 32% of priests who were subject to allegations of sexual abuse were also recognized as having other behavioral or psychological problems.

OFFENSE CHARACTERISTICS

The largest group of alleged victims (50.9%) was between the ages of 11 and 14, 27.3% were 15-17, 16% were 8-10 and nearly 6% were under age 7(¡abusones!!). Overall, 81% of victims were male and 19% female(encima super "Gayersssss!!!). Male victims tended to be older than female victims. Over 40% of all victims were males between the ages of 11 and 14.(¡¡Abusones!!!!)

• Of the total number accused, 37% of priests with allegations of sexual abuse participated in treatment programs; the most common treatment programs were sex-offender specific treatment programs specifically for clergy and one-on-one psychological counseling. The more allegations a priest had, the more likely he was to participate in treatment. However, the severity of the alleged offense did not have an effect on whether or not a priest participated in a treatment program. Those who allegedly committed acts of penetration or oral sex were no more likely to participate in treatment than priests accused of less severe offenses.(¡¡Madre Mía!!!)

Priests allegedly committed acts which were classified into more than 20 categories. The most frequent acts allegedly committed were: touching over the victim’s clothing (52.6%), touching under the victim's clothes (44.9%), cleric performing oral sex (26%), victim disrobed (25.7%), and penile penetration or attempted penile penetration (22.4%).(¡Qué Asco de tíos!!!) Many of the abusers were alleged to have committed multiple types of abuse against individual victims, and relatively few priests committed only the most minor acts. Of the 90% of the reported incidents for which we had specific offense details, 141 incidents, or one and one half percent, were reported that included only verbal abuse and/or the use of pornography.

The alleged abuse occurred in a variety of locations. The abuse is alleged to have occurred in the following locations: in the priest’s home or the parish residence (40.9%), in the church (16.3%), in the victim’s home (12.4%), in a vacation house (10.3%), in school (10.3%), and in a car (9.8%). The abuse allegedly occurred in other sites, such as church outings or in a hotel room, in less than 10% of the allegations. The most common event or setting in which the abuse occurred was during a social event (20.4%), while visiting or working at the priest’s home (14.7%), and during travel (17.8%). Abuse allegedly occurred in other settings, such as during counseling, school hours, and sporting events, in less than 10% of the allegations.(No se respeta ni lugar ni hora para perpetrar sus aberraciones)

• In the 51% of cases where information was provided, half of the victims who made allegations of sexual abuse (2,638, or 25.7% of all alleged victims) socialized with the priest outside of church. Of those who did socialize with the priests who allegedly abused them, the majority had interactions in the family’s home. Other places of socialization included in the church, in the residence of the priest, and in various church activities.

REPORTING AND ACTIONS TAKEN

To date, the police have been contacted about 1,021 priests with allegations of abuse, or 24% of our total. Nearly all of these reports have led to investigations, and 384 instances have led to criminal charges. Of those priests for whom information about dispositions is available, 252 were convicted and at least 100 of those served time in prison. Thus, 6% of all priests against whom allegations were made were convicted and about 2% received prison sentences to date.(¡¡Eso, cárcel para esos depravados!!)

• Half of the allegations that were made (49.9%) were reported by the victim. In one-fifth of the cases (20.3%), the allegation of sexual abuse was made by the alleged victim’s attorney. The third most common way in which the abuse was reported was by the parent or guardian of the victim (13.6%). Allegations made by other individuals, such as by a police officer, a sibling, or another priest, occurred in 3% of cases or less. These allegations were most commonly made by calling the diocese (30.2%), in a signed letter to the diocese (22.8%), or in a legal filing (10.5%). All other methods by which the allegations were made, such as in person, by telling a trusted priest, or through the media, occurred in less than 10% of cases. Cases reported in 2002 had a similar distribution of types of reporting as in previous years.

The full report contains more detailed and additional analyses related to the information provided above. This report is descriptive in nature. Future reports will examine the relationships among the variables described here in more detail and will be multivariate and analytic in nature.

¡¡Vaya a otro con el cuento de salpicar a otros, si hubieran más personas de otras religiones eso se notara más, pero el fantasma de la pederástia y la homosexualidad los persigue donde quiera que vayan!!

¡¡¡¡¡¡Abusadores, depravados!

¡¡Más cárcel es lo que falta!!

Mucho degenerado suelto por ahí y luego vienen a crear su verdad relativista a ver si quedan como santos varones al lado de otros, pués no, la verdad existe y el relativismo es una aberración postmoderna,y con eso os engañan a vosotros para manteneros en esa Iglesia.
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Re: La Iglesia católica irlandesa conocía el abuso "endémico" de 35.000 niños

Re: La Iglesia católica irlandesa conocía el abuso "endémico" de 35.000 niños

Duncan.
Tu le escribiste al hermano Spurgeon:

Por favor, Spurgeon, deberiamos de ser mas consecuentes con la fe que predicamos, pero, sobre todo, y como cristianos, tratar de no olvidar algunas de las enseñanzas mas importantes que nuestro Señor dejo a su Iglesia.

Por ejemplo, tu argumentas en tus continuos ataques a la comunidad catolica: "ellos publican muchisimos estudios echandoles la culpa a otros por esto "; ¿ Pero, que es lo que nos enseña el Señor cuando otras personas hablan mal de nosotros mintiendo y levantando falso testimonio en contra nuestra ?

Y para concluir me comentas: "no son tan buenos como usted cree". Y yo te pregunto, ¿ Y como sabes tu lo que yo creo ? Ademas, lo que si creo profundamente que la Unica Persona que esta realmente cualificada para decir, publicamente, quien es bueno, quien es malo y quien es regular, esa Persona es, sin lugar a dudas, nuestro Señor Jesucristo. El cual, por cierto, nos enseño a hablar bien de los que nos persiguen y maldicen; y tambien nos enseño a no tomarles en cuenta sus maldades. Y para rematar tan explendida faena, nuestro Dios nos conmina a obedecerle cuando nos "invita" a orar por quienes nos persiguen y calumnian; asi como tambien a bendecir a nuestros enemigos.


Ahora te digo que estas en cierto, pero cuando el hermano Spurgeon te pregunta que religion llevas le contestas:

NINGUNA, Spurgeon. Y viendo lo que veo, y leyendo lo que leo, ¿ Cual de las muchas religiones que existen en el mundo me podrias recomendar tu ?

No obstante, Spurgeon, no quiero que tomes a mal, ni mis pensamientos, ni estos ultimos decodificados en palabra escrita. Pues, evidentemente, ni soi perfecto, ni lo se todo, ni me ensorbezco de nada. Pero,
bien puedes creerme si te digo que si entrase a formar parte de cualquiera de las muchas religiones que hoy en dia subsisten tendria muchas dudas a cuanto el poder conservar mi mente libre de hipocresias, falsedades, engaños, proselitismo despiadado y algunas cosas que, por este estilo, tanto parecen abundar en algunas "recomendables" religiones.

Ahora me dejaste sin saber en que creer.
Por una parte le decis a Spurgeon (escrito No. 10), que no seamos jueces de nadie ya que Cristo es el que Juzga.
Despues le decis al hermano Spurgeon (escrito No. 13), que no te congregas para no tener que llenar tu mente de maldades, acaso el señor te dio orden para que seas juez de las iglesias o tambien a vos el señor te ha mandado revelacion como a nuestro hemano Juan en el libro de apocalisis(revelacion), y te dijo que nadie debe reunirse (congregarse).

Yo creo que no te reunis (congregas)con nadie en ningun lado, porque sicologicalmente estas mal, les has dictado al hermano Manuel96 de estar mentalmente mal, lo mandaste a ver a un psiquiatra en unos de los epigrafes.
 
Re: La Iglesia católica irlandesa conocía el abuso "endémico" de 35.000 niños

Re: La Iglesia católica irlandesa conocía el abuso "endémico" de 35.000 niños

Tengamos estadísticas, estas no están manipuladas como usted hace que de 30% salta a un 1% como si nada.

Y en un estudio que me dió usted de 40 años tocaba su iglesia de a un pedrásta por año.



The Nature and Scope of the Problem of Sexual Abuse of Minors
by Catholic Priests and Deacons in the United States
A Research Study Conducted by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice


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In June 2002 the full body of Catholic bishops of the United States in their General Meeting in Dallas approved the Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People. The Charter created a National Review Board, which was assigned responsibility to commission a descriptive study, with the full cooperation of the dioceses/eparchies, of the nature and scope of the problem of sexual abuse of minors by clergy. The National Review Board engaged the John Jay College of Criminal Justice of the City University of New York to conduct research, summarize the collected data and issue a summary report to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops of its findings. This report by the John Jay College is authorized for publication by the undersigned.
--- Msgr. William P. Fay, General Secretary




EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

The study of sexual abuse of minors by Catholic priests and deacons resulting in this report was authorized and paid for by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) pursuant to the Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People (Charter) unanimously adopted by the USCCB at its June 2002 meeting. The Charter called for many responses to this victimization of minors within the Catholic Church. Article 9 of the Charter provided for the creation of a lay body, the National Review Board, which was mandated (among other things) to commission a descriptive study of the nature and scope of the problem of child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church.
Accordingly, the Board approached John Jay College of Criminal Justice to conduct such a study. The College assembled an experienced team of researchers with expertise in the areas of forensic psychology, criminology, and human behavior, and, working with the Board, formulated a methodology to address the study mandate. Data collection commenced in March 2003, and ended in February 2004. The information contained in this report is based upon surveys provided by 195 dioceses, representing 98% all diocesan priests in the United States, and 140 religious communities, representing approximately 60% of religious communities and 80% of all religious priests.
The mandate for the study was to:

1. Examine the number and nature of allegations of sexual abuse of minors under the age of 18 by Catholic priests between 1950 and 2002.
2. Collect information about the alleged abusers, including official status in the church, age, number of victims, responses by the church and legal authorities to the allegations of abuse, and other characteristics of the alleged abusers.
3. Collect information about the characteristics of the alleged victims, the nature of their relationship to the alleged abusers, the nature of the abuse, and the time frame within which the allegations are reported.
4. Accumulate information about the financial impact of the abuse on the Church.
Three surveys provide the data for this study:

1. A profile of each diocese, providing information about characteristics of the diocese including region and size, the total numbers of allegations, and the total expenditures occasioned by allegations of abuse.
2. A survey of church records relating to individual priests against whom allegations of abuse had been made.
3. A survey of church records relating to the alleged victims of abuse and the nature of the alleged abuse.
Based upon the inquiries and communications that we received from the dioceses, eparchies and religious communities, it is our impression that, despite the complexity of the surveys and the difficulties of identifying relevant church records, these data reflect a conscientious and good-faith effort to provide exhaustive and reliable information regarding allegations of abuse made to church authorities.
Due to the sensitive nature of the abuse allegations, which form the core of this report, many steps were taken to assure the anonymity of alleged victims and priests who were the subjects of the study. The study used a double-blind procedure in which all reports were first sent to Ernst & Young, an accounting firm, where they were stripped of information that could be used to identify the area from which they were sent. Ernst & Young then sent the unopened envelopes containing survey responses to the John Jay researchers. The data set is thus stripped of all identifying information that may be linked to an individual diocese, eparchy or religious community, priest or victim.
OVERVIEW OF PREVALENCE AND REPORTING
PREVALENCE
• Priest surveys asked for birth dates and initials of the accused priests in order to determine if a single priest had allegations in multiple dioceses, eparchies or religious communities. To maintain anonymity, this information was encrypted into a unique identifying number, and birthdays and initials were then discarded. We detected 310 matching encrypted numbers, accounting for 143 priests with allegations in more than one diocese, eparchy or religious community (3.3% of the total number of priests with allegations/estos los que fueron acusados en más de una diocesis). When we removed the replicated files of priests who have allegations in more than one place, we received allegations of sexual abuse against a total of 4,392 priests that were not withdrawn or known to be false for the period 1950-2002.(estos últimos no fueron retirados del servicio)
• The total number of priests with allegations of abuse in our survey is 4,392. The percentage of all priests with allegations of sexual abuse is difficult to derive because there is no definitive number of priests who were active between the years of 1950 and 2002. We used two sets of numbers to estimate the total number of active priests and then calculated the percentage against whom allegations were made.
o We asked each diocese, eparchy and community for their total number of active priests in this time period. Adding up all their responses, there were 109,694 priests reported by dioceses, eparchies and religious communities to have served in their ecclesiastical ministry from 1950-2002. Using this number, 4.0% of all priests active between 1950 and 2002 had allegations of abuse.(esos son 4, 387 curas acusados de abusos sexuales desde 1950 a 2002, ¿no le parece a usted demasiado?
o The Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA) reports a total of 94,607 priests for the period 1960-2002. When we look at the time period covered by the CARA database, the number of priests with allegations of sexual abuse is 4,127(¡¡Casi na!!). Thus, the percentage of priests accused for this time period is 4.3% if we rely on the CARA figures assessing the total number of priests.
o If we examine the differences between diocesan and religious priests, then our numbers result in a total of 4.3% of diocesan priests with allegations of abuse and 2.5% of religious priests with allegations of abuse. The CARA numbers yield a total of 5% of diocesan priests from 1960-1996 with allegations of abuse and 2.7% of religious priests from 1960-1996 with allegations of abuse.(¡Cuánto abusador anda por ahí suelto!!)
• Our analyses revealed little variability in the rates of alleged abuse across regions of the Catholic Church in the U.S. -- the range was from 3% to 6% of priests.
A total of 10,667 individuals made allegations of child sexual abuse by priests. Of those who alleged abuse, the file contained information that 17.2% of them had siblings who were also allegedly abused.(Madre mía, ni los hermanos se salvan!!)
• It is impossible to determine from our surveys what percent of all actual cases of abuse that occurred between 1950 and 2002 have been reported to the Church and are therefore in our dataset. Allegations of child sexual abuse are made gradually over an extended time period and it is likely that further allegations will be made with respect to recent time periods covered in our surveys. Less than 13% of allegations were made in the year in which the abuse allegedly began, and more than 25% of the allegations were made more than 30 years after the alleged abuse began.
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DISTRIBUTION OF CASES BY YEAR

• The distribution of reported cases by the year the abuse is alleged to have occurred or begun shows a peak in the year 1970. However, considering the duration of some repeated abusive acts, more abuse occurred in the 1970s than any other decade, peaking in 1980. But, these conclusions have to be qualified because additional allegations for those time periods may surface in the future.
• Alleged abuse sometimes extended over many years. In 38.4% of allegations, the abuse is alleged to have occurred within a single year, in 21.8% the alleged abuse lasted more than a year but less than 2 years, in 28% between 2 and 4 years, in 10.2% between 5 and 9 years and, in under 1%, 10 or more years.
• Approximately one-third of all allegations were reported in 2002-2003, and two-thirds have been made since 1993. Thus, prior to 1993, only one-third of cases were known to Church officials. The allegations made in 1993 and 2002-2003 include offenses that allegedly occurred within the full time period from 1950-1993 and 1950-2002. The distribution of allegations made in 2002-2003 resembles the distribution of offenses alleged at all other time periods -- with the exception that allegations of abuse in recent years are a smaller share of all allegations.(Eso que este análisis sólo abarca hasta 2002, o sea, que los últimos escándalos desde ese año para aca, no están registrados, buenos abusadores y apoyando eso!!!)

COSTS OF ALLEGATIONS
• The amount of money already paid by the Church, as a result of allegations, to victims, for the treatment of priests and for legal expenses reported in our surveys was $472,000,000. That figure is not the total paid by the Church to date -- 14% of dioceses and religious communities did not report dollar figures. In addition, survey responses were filed over a 10-month period and would not include settlements and expenses incurred after surveys were submitted. In addition, no diocese reported the recent and highly publicized $85,000,000 settlement. If we include the $85,000,000 reported settlement, the total cost paid by the church exceeds $500,000,000.(este pecado va a arruinar la ICAR, ¡Párenlo!!!)

PRIESTS AND ACCUSERS
PROFILE OF PRIESTS WITH ALLEGATIONS

• The majority of priests with allegations of abuse were ordained between 1950 and 1979 (68%). Priests ordained prior to 1950 accounted for 21.3% of the allegations, and priests ordained after 1979 accounted for 10.7% of allegations.

• Over 79% of these priests were between 25 and 29 years of age when ordained. For priests whose age at the time of the first alleged abuse was reported, the largest group -- over 40% was between 30 and 39. An additional 20% were under age 30, nearly 23% were between 40 and 49, and nearly 17% were over 50.

• At the time abuse is alleged to have occurred, 42.3% of priests were associate pastors, 25.1% were pastors, 10.4% were resident priests and 7.2% were teachers. Other categories (e.g., chaplain, deacon, and seminary administrator) were under 3% each.
• The majority of priests (56%) were alleged to have abused one victim, nearly 27% were alleged to have abused two or three victims, nearly 14% were alleged to have abused four to nine victims and 3.4% were alleged to have abused more than ten victims. The 149 priests (3.5%) who had more than ten allegations of abuse were allegedly responsible for abusing 2,960 victims, thus accounting for 26% of allegations. Therefore, a very small percentage of accused priests are responsible for a substantial percentage of the allegations.
• Though priests' personnel files contain limited information on their own childhood victimization and their substance and/or alcohol abuse problems, the surveys report that nearly 7% of priests had been physically, sexually and/or emotionally abused as children. The surveys also indicate that nearly 17% had alcohol or substance abuse problems. There are indications that some sort of intervention was undertaken by church authorities in over 80% of the cases involving substance abuse.

• The surveys indicate that 32% of priests who were subject to allegations of sexual abuse were also recognized as having other behavioral or psychological problems.

OFFENSE CHARACTERISTICS

The largest group of alleged victims (50.9%) was between the ages of 11 and 14, 27.3% were 15-17, 16% were 8-10 and nearly 6% were under age 7(¡abusones!!). Overall, 81% of victims were male and 19% female(encima super "Gayersssss!!!). Male victims tended to be older than female victims. Over 40% of all victims were males between the ages of 11 and 14.(¡¡Abusones!!!!)

• Of the total number accused, 37% of priests with allegations of sexual abuse participated in treatment programs; the most common treatment programs were sex-offender specific treatment programs specifically for clergy and one-on-one psychological counseling. The more allegations a priest had, the more likely he was to participate in treatment. However, the severity of the alleged offense did not have an effect on whether or not a priest participated in a treatment program. Those who allegedly committed acts of penetration or oral sex were no more likely to participate in treatment than priests accused of less severe offenses.(¡¡Madre Mía!!!)

Priests allegedly committed acts which were classified into more than 20 categories. The most frequent acts allegedly committed were: touching over the victim’s clothing (52.6%), touching under the victim's clothes (44.9%), cleric performing oral sex (26%), victim disrobed (25.7%), and penile penetration or attempted penile penetration (22.4%).(¡Qué Asco de tíos!!!) Many of the abusers were alleged to have committed multiple types of abuse against individual victims, and relatively few priests committed only the most minor acts. Of the 90% of the reported incidents for which we had specific offense details, 141 incidents, or one and one half percent, were reported that included only verbal abuse and/or the use of pornography.

The alleged abuse occurred in a variety of locations. The abuse is alleged to have occurred in the following locations: in the priest’s home or the parish residence (40.9%), in the church (16.3%), in the victim’s home (12.4%), in a vacation house (10.3%), in school (10.3%), and in a car (9.8%). The abuse allegedly occurred in other sites, such as church outings or in a hotel room, in less than 10% of the allegations. The most common event or setting in which the abuse occurred was during a social event (20.4%), while visiting or working at the priest’s home (14.7%), and during travel (17.8%). Abuse allegedly occurred in other settings, such as during counseling, school hours, and sporting events, in less than 10% of the allegations.(No se respeta ni lugar ni hora para perpetrar sus aberraciones)

• In the 51% of cases where information was provided, half of the victims who made allegations of sexual abuse (2,638, or 25.7% of all alleged victims) socialized with the priest outside of church. Of those who did socialize with the priests who allegedly abused them, the majority had interactions in the family’s home. Other places of socialization included in the church, in the residence of the priest, and in various church activities.

REPORTING AND ACTIONS TAKEN

To date, the police have been contacted about 1,021 priests with allegations of abuse, or 24% of our total. Nearly all of these reports have led to investigations, and 384 instances have led to criminal charges. Of those priests for whom information about dispositions is available, 252 were convicted and at least 100 of those served time in prison. Thus, 6% of all priests against whom allegations were made were convicted and about 2% received prison sentences to date.(¡¡Eso, cárcel para esos depravados!!)

• Half of the allegations that were made (49.9%) were reported by the victim. In one-fifth of the cases (20.3%), the allegation of sexual abuse was made by the alleged victim’s attorney. The third most common way in which the abuse was reported was by the parent or guardian of the victim (13.6%). Allegations made by other individuals, such as by a police officer, a sibling, or another priest, occurred in 3% of cases or less. These allegations were most commonly made by calling the diocese (30.2%), in a signed letter to the diocese (22.8%), or in a legal filing (10.5%). All other methods by which the allegations were made, such as in person, by telling a trusted priest, or through the media, occurred in less than 10% of cases. Cases reported in 2002 had a similar distribution of types of reporting as in previous years.

The full report contains more detailed and additional analyses related to the information provided above. This report is descriptive in nature. Future reports will examine the relationships among the variables described here in more detail and will be multivariate and analytic in nature.

¡¡Vaya a otro con el cuento de salpicar a otros, si hubieran más personas de otras religiones eso se notara más, pero el fantasma de la pederástia y la homosexualidad los persigue donde quiera que vayan!!

¡¡¡¡¡¡Abusadores, depravados!

¡¡Más cárcel es lo que falta!!

Mucho degenerado suelto por ahí y luego vienen a crear su verdad relativista a ver si quedan como santos varones al lado de otros, pués no, la verdad existe y el relativismo es una aberración postmoderna,y con eso os engañan a vosotros para manteneros en esa Iglesia.
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Vamos a suponer que eso es verdad.

Bueno: a Jesús le salieron "chuecos" el 8% de sus discípulos:

Judas: 1 de 12 = 1/12 = 8,3%

¡Y eso que era el Hijo de Dios!
 
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Bendiciones en El Eterno

¿Porque a los catolico-romanos les cuesta tanto el aceptar este pecado dentro de la Santa Madre Iglesia?

¿¿¿Porque siempre negarlo o minimozarlo???


Si les platicara lo que me ha dicho un ex-seminarista de Durango... No, no, no ¿Que Cosas?

¡¡¡¡¡Sodoma y Gomorra parecen six Flags en comparacion con este seminario....!!!!!

Que bien se estan preparando...no cabe duda...

Saludos
 
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¿¿¿Porque siempre negarlo o minimozarlo???[/SIZE]

Por supuesto....Aqui es Minimizarlo
 
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Bendiciones en El Eterno

¿Porque a los catolico-romanos les cuesta tanto el aceptar este pecado dentro de la Santa Madre Iglesia?

¿¿¿Porque siempre negarlo o minimozarlo???


Si les platicara lo que me ha dicho un ex-seminarista de Durango... No, no, no ¿Que Cosas?

¡¡¡¡¡Sodoma y Gomorra parecen six Flags en comparacion con este seminario....!!!!!

Que bien se estan preparando...no cabe duda...

Saludos

Pero es que no se niega, lo que molesta son las exageraciones.

Y al final desgraciadamente esto es un toma y dame del que no están exentos todas las demás denominaciones cristianas.

Sin embargo, que los ministros sean deslealos no minimiza a Cristo ni a la Iglesia, sino a si mismos.

Romanos 3:3-4
Pues ¿qué? Si algunos de ellos fueron infieles, ¿frustrará, por ventura, su infidelidad la fidelidad de Dios?
¡De ningún modo! Dios tiene que ser veraz y todo hombre mentiroso, como dice la Escritura: Para que seas justificado en tus palabras y triunfes al ser juzgado.

 
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La cantidad de sacerdotes abusadores de menores es alarmantes y así lo ha echo saber el mismo Papa y que se pondrá el acento en las ordenaciones y que además en Inglaterra hace una semana ;

“En una de las más claras autocríticas que ha formulado desde el comienzo de la devastadora crisis por los abusos sexuales de los curas pederastas, el Papa dijo ayer que “es para mí una gran tristeza que la autoridad de la Iglesia no fuera suficientemente vigilante, veloz y decidida en tomar las medidas necesarias”.


Sigue ;


“Me parece que ahora debemos realizar un tiempo de penitencia, un tiempo de humildad y renovar, reaprender la absoluta sinceridad”, agregó. El Papa dijo que para él enterarse de las revelaciones sobre la actividad de los sacerdotes pederastas “ha sido un shock, un gran golpe”.

Iglesia presentó hace una semana un informe sobre casi 500 casos de violaciones de menores. Trece de las víctimas se suicidaron.

Ayer, en Dublin, el arzobispo Diarmuid Martin, dijo que “los casos de abusos se agravaron por el encubrimiento”. Los obispos irlandeses han sido acusados de haber seguido durante décadas la política de defender “el prestigio de la Iglesia” por delante de los traumas de las víctimas. El Papa ha “renunciado” ya a varios obispos.

Las declaraciones del Pontífice en el avión producirán nuevas cavilaciones y polémicas porque Benedicto XVI lamentó que “la autoridad de la Iglesia” haya sido culpable de retardos e insuficiencias”. ¿A quién se refería? El mismo Joseph Ratzinger fue acusado de encubrir algunos casos cuando era “ministro” de la ortodoxia y la disciplina de Juan Pablo II.

Mis bendiciones.
 
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Pero es que no se niega, lo que molesta son las exageraciones.

Y al final desgraciadamente esto es un toma y dame del que no están exentos todas las demás denominaciones cristianas.

Sin embargo, que los ministros sean deslealos no minimiza a Cristo ni a la Iglesia, sino a si mismos.

Romanos 3:3-4
Pues ¿qué? Si algunos de ellos fueron infieles, ¿frustrará, por ventura, su infidelidad la fidelidad de Dios?
¡De ningún modo! Dios tiene que ser veraz y todo hombre mentiroso, como dice la Escritura: Para que seas justificado en tus palabras y triunfes al ser juzgado.


Asi es... que los ministros sean unos sinverguenzas lo vemos en todos lados...pero, hablando de molestias, lo que a mi me "molesta" es que siempre los catolico-romanos nieguen o minimicen "el pecado"

Estamos llamados a denunciarlo...venga de quien venga... o a menos que la Palabra este esquivocada

Jeremías
44:4 Y envié a vosotros todos mis siervos los profetas, desde temprano y sin cesar, para deciros: No hagáis esta cosa abominable que yo aborrezco.

¿Donde estan entonces sus llamadas de atencion?..¿donde sus predicaciones para dejar de justificar ese pecado pegando estadisticas y mas estadisticas, como si fueran cortinas de humo?


La verdad, yo lo las leo
 
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Horizonte,


¿Donde está tu comentario aleccionador para decirles a tus hermanitos protestantes que estas difamaciones contra la Iglesia cAtólica no hacen mejor al protestantismo?
 
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Sin embargo, que los ministros sean deslealos no minimiza a Cristo ni a la Iglesia, sino a si mismos.

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Enttiedo, entiendo..pero no deja de ser una frescura, una firvolidad lo que dices cuando la ICR dice ser, -al igualque otras sectas como TJ y mormones -"La igleisia" y que fuera de ella no hay salvación; asi que, el hecho de que dentro de ella haya tal evidencia encontra, solo puede significar una cosa: que la ICR no es sinónimo de "La Iglesia", como ya se les he demostrado y explicado tantas veces a Uds estiads papistas que nos visitan.

Asi que, no se trata de un problema aislado, o de individuos incómodos (solamene en USA hay más de 13,000 casoso dcumentado de pedofiliapor parte de sacerdotess católico.romanos ¡¡¡y 35, 000 en Irlanda!!!) sino que el sunto aqui es que la ICR se toma para si muy en serio su mal entendido papel de que ella es "La iglesia", cuando los hecho señalan todo lo contrario.

Se quieren eregir como grupo homogeno y vertical con idéntica identidad de ser la ileisa misma, cuando asi cnviene; pero cuando no les conviene vere la realidad, resulta que la ICR señala a esos sacerdotes como ovejas negras y casos aislados...¿será?, lo cierto es que no caben excepciones en el verdadero Pueblo de Dios que es la verdadra iglesia de Cristo.

Asi que entre otras muchas cosas, estas "excepciones" ¡un mundo de casos! les tira el castillo de naipes ante tan abrumadora evidencia; o dicho de otro modo, entro otras muchas cosas la pedofilia resulta sr una evidenca más que les tiró el teatrito a las pretensiones paples.

Quier señalar que ninguna iglesia evangélica se abroga para si, ni se refiere de ella misma como "nosotro somos la igleisa y fera de nuestra iglesa no hay salvaicón"; la ICR, los TJ y lo smormones, si; asi que tendrá que responder por su actos y que deje de inventar y abrogarse cosas que no le corresponden.

Ya les hemos explicado estimados papistas que nos visitan; muy ampliamente lo que en realidad es la iglesia; los salvos de todos los tiempos pero ¿cómo habrán de ser salvos si sus "sacerdotes" se dedican a hecharse con varones ó a violar niños?.

No nos engañemos.

Dios no pude ser burlado; y los cristianos tampoco.

Asi que "a otro perro con ese hueso bien roído" con eso de que la ICR es "La Iglesia"; ¡religiosos farsantes!

De eso se trata todo.

Saludos.
 
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Asi que "a otro perro con ese hueso bien roído" con eso de que la ICR es "La Iglesia"; ¡religiosos farsantes!

¿Y entonces cual sera la Iglesia de Cristo? ¿Cual? Pues todos estan con claros sintomas de corrupcion tanto emocional como espiritual.
 
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¿Y entonces cual sera la Iglesia de Cristo? ¿Cual? Pues todos estan con claros sintomas de corrupción tanto emocional como espiritual.

La iglesia de Cristo son todos los salvos de todos los tiempos, de todo linaje, lengua y nación; hijos nacidos de la voluntad de Dios, no por fuerza, no por voluntad de varón ni por sangre sino de la voluntad de Dios y de nadie más.

Este es el sello del pueblo de Dios:

"Pero el fundamento de Dios esta firme, teniendo este sello: Conoce el Señor (no tu, no yo, no el Papa, no el pastor, no nadie más) a los que son suyos; y, Apártese de iniquidad todo aquel que invoca el nombre de Cristo" (2 Tim 2:19)

El Señor mismo quitará de su reino (la iglesia) a dos tipos de personas:

"A todos los que los que sirven de torpiezo y a los que hacen iniquidad" (Mt 13:41)

¿y los pedófilos?

"Y cualquiera que haga tropezar a uno de estos pequeños (refiriéndose a los niños) que creen en mí, mejor le fuera que se le colgase del cuello una piedra de molino de asno, y que se hundiese n lo profundo del mar" (Mt 18: 6)

Bendiciones Kal_El.
 
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La iglesia de Cristo son todos los salvos de todos los tiempos, de todo linaje, lengua y nación; hijos nacidos de la voluntad de Dios, no por fuerza, no por voluntad de varón ni por sangre sino de la voluntad de Dios y de nadie más.

Este es el sello del pueblo de Dios:

"Pero el fundamento de Dios esta firme, teniendo este sello: Conoce el Señor (no tu, no yo, no el Papa, no el pastor, no nadie más) a los que son suyos; y, Apártese de iniquidad todo aquel que invoca el nombre de Cristo" (2 Tim 2:19)

El Señor mismo quitará de su reino (la iglesia) a dos tipos de personas:

"A todos los que los que sirven de torpiezo y a los que hacen iniquidad" (Mt 13:41)

¿y los pedófilos?

"Y cualquiera que haga tropezar a uno de estos pequeños (refiriéndose a los niños) que creen en mí, mejor le fuera que se le colgase del cuello una piedra de molino de asno, y que se hundiese n lo profundo del mar" (Mt 18: 6)

Bendiciones Kal_El.

Una pregunta muy simple OSO, con tus pecados diarios y tus ofensas diarias a Dios, ¿eres miembro de la Iglesia de Cristo?
 
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Hay que entender el trasfondo de todo esto.

La ICAR se ha alzado como el baluarte de la verdad, la que escribió la Biblia(dicen ellos), los qui establecieron él canon bíblico, los "dueños" de todos los nombres santos de la iglesia primitiva, los que han "evangelizado" al mundo, la iglesia católica la "fundó" Cristo desde el principio(así piensan), sus papas y sus tradiciones son inspirados por dios(no se limitan a la Biblia como nosotros, ellos son "más inspirados o el doble que nosiotros", Pedro es su "priemer papa" y toda la salvación la diseñó dios en base a esa Iglesia "única".

Todo eso es una farsa desde el principio, sus papas han comprado el puesto en una simonía rampante por eso digo que la fórmula de la ICAr reza así Jesús -> Apóstoles -> Simón el Mago -> Paganismo -> Iglesia Católica.

Son impostores de la verdad, han asesinado durante toda la historia, han mantenido en ignorancia durante mil años a la razxa humana en la Edad Media se han prostituido con todos los reyes de la tierra y muchísimas cosas más.

Entonces, como Iglesia de Dios han fracasado y lo siguen haciendo ahora con la pederástia.

Para ser la Iglesia que según ellos "fundó" Cristo, son una verguenza para el Señor, los apóstoles y toda la cristiandad.

Pero yo creo en otra opción, ellos no son la Iglesia fundada por Cristo y nunca lo han sido.

Siempre ha habido un remanente fiel perseguido por la ICAR durante siglos antes de la Reforma que han hecho prevalecer la verdadera Iglesia.

Jesús nos hizo la promesa de que su iglesia(la verdadera) permanecería firme y las puertas del Hades no prevalecerán contra ella, por eso siempre ha habido verdaderos cristianos en todas las épocas, aunque la ICAR los persiguiera.

No me vengáis con moralismos de que yo soy el malo por revelar esto, deberíais avergonzaros vosotros, no yo ni ninguno que dice estas verdades.

Parar el discursito de que sois la Iglesia que fundó Cristo y todo ese rollo que ya no lo cree nadie. La ICAr es todo un proyecto de simonía y usurpación de la verdad y nada más que eso.
 
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Hay que entender el trasfondo de todo esto.

La ICAR se ha alzado como el baluarte de la verdad, la que escribió la Biblia(dicen ellos), los qui establecieron él canon bíblico, los "dueños" de todos los nombres santos de la iglesia primitiva, los que han "evangelizado" al mundo, la iglesia católica la "fundó" Cristo desde el principio(así piensan), sus papas y sus tradiciones son inspirados por dios(no se limitan a la Biblia como nosotros, ellos son "más inspirados o el doble que nosiotros", Pedro es su "priemer papa" y toda la salvación la diseñó dios en base a esa Iglesia "única".

Todo eso es una farsa desde el principio, sus papas han comprado el puesto en una simonía rampante por eso digo que la fórmula de la ICAr reza así Jesús -> Apóstoles -> Simón el Mago -> Paganismo -> Iglesia Católica.

Son impostores de la verdad, han asesinado durante toda la historia, han mantenido en ignorancia durante mil años a la razxa humana en la Edad Media se han prostituido con todos los reyes de la tierra y muchísimas cosas más.

Entonces, como Iglesia de Dios han fracasado y lo siguen haciendo ahora con la pederástia.

Para ser la Iglesia que según ellos "fundó" Cristo, son una verguenza para el Señor, los apóstoles y toda la cristiandad.

Pero yo creo en otra opción, ellos no son la Iglesia fundada por Cristo y nunca lo han sido.

Siempre ha habido un remanente fiel perseguido por la ICAR durante siglos antes de la Reforma que han hecho prevalecer la verdadera Iglesia.

Jesús nos hizo la promesa de que su iglesia(la verdadera) permanecería firme y las puertas del Hades no prevalecerán contra ella, por eso siempre ha habido verdaderos cristianos en todas las épocas, aunque la ICAR los persiguiera.

No me vengáis con moralismos de que yo soy el malo por revelar esto, deberíais avergonzaros vosotros, no yo ni ninguno que dice estas verdades.

Parar el discursito de que sois la Iglesia que fundó Cristo y todo ese rollo que ya no lo cree nadie. La ICAr es todo un proyecto de simonía y usurpación de la verdad y nada más que eso.

¿Remanente fiel? ¿Cual? ¿Los judaizantes? ¿Los gnosticos? ¿Los Nicolaitas? ¿Los Novacianos? ¿Los marcionistas? ¿Los arrianos? Dejate de sueños y pesimas mal interpretaciones, Jesus es claro:
Vosotros sois la luz del mundo. No puede ocultarse una ciudad situada en la cima de un monte. Ni tampoco se enciende una lámpara y la ponen debajo del celemín, sino sobre el candelero, para que alumbre a todos los que están en la casa. Brille así vuestra luz delante de los hombres, para que vean vuestras buenas obras y glorifiquen a vuestro Padre que está en los cielos.
Evangelio de san Mateo. 5,14-16

La Iglesia es LA LUZ del mundo, ¿puede la luz del mundo no ser vista? ¿pasar desapercibida? No. A pesar de sus pecados, la Iglesia Catolica Romana sigue siendo la luz del mundo. TODOS LOS APOSTOLES FUERON PECADORES, ¿eso significa que Cristo fracaso? O mejor aun, respondeme ¿Cuando san Pedro peco en Antioquia dejo de ser Apostol?

Jesus prometio una Iglesia HUMANA buscando la Santidad, no una Iglesia perfecta.
 
Re: La Iglesia católica irlandesa conocía el abuso "endémico" de 35.000 niños

Re: La Iglesia católica irlandesa conocía el abuso "endémico" de 35.000 niños

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Re: La Iglesia católica irlandesa conocía el abuso "endémico" de 35.000 niños

Re: La Iglesia católica irlandesa conocía el abuso "endémico" de 35.000 niños

Ayer fueron guerras, corrupción, poder secular, ambición; ... luego hogueras, inquisición, fanatismo...; luego acostarse con los poderosos, fascistas, etc...

Ahora son crímenes sexuales, pederastia...

Yo lo dije ya en algunos hilos de esta temática y lo vuelvo a decir, el que el hombre sea pecador y el que haya hombres pecadores en la Iglesia católica-romana no es un argumento contra su dogma y su institución, porque de no haberlas seguirían estando en error. De hecho es una arma de doble filo que puede volverse en cualquier momento en contra nuestra, y aparecer nuestras hogueras, nuestros inquisidores, nuestros ladrones, nuestros estafadores, nuestros pecadores en general.
 
Re: La Iglesia católica irlandesa conocía el abuso "endémico" de 35.000 niños

Re: La Iglesia católica irlandesa conocía el abuso "endémico" de 35.000 niños

Ayer fueron guerras, corrupción, poder secular, ambición; ... luego hogueras, inquisición, fanatismo...; luego acostarse con los poderosos, fascistas, etc...

Ahora son crímenes sexuales, pederastia...

Yo lo dije ya en algunos hilos de esta temática y lo vuelvo a decir, el que el hombre sea pecador y el que haya hombres pecadores en la Iglesia católica-romana no es un argumento contra su dogma y su institución, porque de no haberlas seguirían estando en error. De hecho es una arma de doble filo que puede volverse en cualquier momento en contra nuestra, y aparecer nuestras hogueras, nuestros inquisidores, nuestros ladrones, nuestros estafadores, nuestros pecadores en general.

Pues pecadores hay en todos lados, Judas Iscariote era un poseido por el demonio y fue Apostol de Cristo... ¿acaso ya por eso el ministerio de Cristo fue un error porque escogio a un demonio como Judas el Iscariote? Ah tremendos pensamientos y denuncias falacez vamos a terminar leyendo cuando se deje de entender que la Iglesia de Cristo es HUMANA, no un ente espiritual e invisible como muchos aqui creen, sino una Comunidad de Creyentes humana, pecado, debil, inclinada hacia el mal y que sin Cristo nada puede.

Dios tenga misericordia de todos nosotros.