Max Lucado... ¿cristiano evangélico?

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El siguiente apartado no es para juzgar la persona de max lucado a quien no conozco, sino para recabar información.

Cuando me casé, mi esposa tenía un libro de él, y lo leí, se llama "Dios se acercó", en todas las librerías evangélicoas donde compro libros hallo sus obras como best sellers.

Este libro, "Dios se acercó", me recordó mucho el tipo de libros que escribe Og Mandino, habla mucho del lado humano de Jesús. Me puse a buscar en internet sobre este autor y sorpresa... resulta que no es considerado "Cristiano Evangélico ortodoxo en sus doctrinas", esto me obligó a investigarlo y ver si realmente eran justas las acusaciones, resulta que este autor es pastor de una congregación de la "Iglesia de Cristo", quien no sepa sobre ellos, ellos predican y enseñan que es el bautismo en agua el que REGENERA y no la fe en Cristo, el que no es bautizado en agua por inmersión no puede ser salvo, otra caracteristica es que son unitarios (al menos eso es lo que dicen los que acusan a Lucado).

Otra cosa interesante es que es promotor del ecumenismo con la iglesia católica romana.

A mi la verdad su libro se me hizo muy "bonito" lo pongo entre comillado porque no hallo otro termino mejor, porque puede algo ser bonito y no necesariamente bíblico, y al leer estas acusaciones me pregunto si son ciertas.

¿alguien tiene información al respecto?
 
Artus:

No sabia eso, te agradezco tu aportacion, yo he leido varios libros de el:

"quien movio la piedra"
"los angeles guardaron silencio" y otros mas....como tu dices son libros que te hacen reflexionar sobre el caracter de Cristo, pero con lo que acabas de decir , tendre que ser mas desconfiado de los titulos llamativos y de los autores.

De momento la duda queda en el aire........

Bendiciones

Luman
 
Dios les Bendiga.

Tal noticia me deja pasmado, la verdad no tenia idea de esto.
Yo tambien he leido algunos de sus libros
"Cuando Dios susurra tu nombre y Como Jesus"

Buscare mas informacion, si encuentro algo se los hare saber.


Paz y Bendiciones en Cristo : radiante:
 
MAX LUCADO

MAX LUCADO

En mi país, estan los libros del mencionado escritor!!

es el libro que más consumen los jóvenes "cristianos" argentinos!!


No en vano la juventud, esta como esta!!

Yo los he leido, es lo más light, diet, que ande dando pululando por las librerías, ademas con infiltraciones de nueva era!!

es decir: ¡¡una joyita!!...

puaggg!!

En Cristo
silvia de rosario
 
De nuevo otra ves

De nuevo otra ves

Bendiciones

De hecho dan un amplio enafasis en el Bautismo como medio para la Salvacion
http://glesia-de-cristo.org/laiglesi.htm


un parrafo dice textualmente:


Una razón por la cual se malentiende es por la práctica de arrancar los textos afuera de sus contextos y así darlos significados que nunca fue intentado. Por ejemplo, algunos citan Gálatas 3:26 para comprobar la doctrina de la salvación por la fe solamente, aparte de ninguna otra acción de la obediencia. El versículo dice: «pues todos sois hijos de Dios por la fe en Cristo Jesús.» Bueno, cuando leo este texto solo, sin compararlo con ningún otro, y sin mirarlo en su propio contexto de Gálatas capítulo tres, pudiera concluir que la fe solamente es lo que hace de uno ser un hijo de Dios. Sin embargo, el contexto explica más adelante en el próximo versículo, el verículo 27 de Gálatas 3, «porque todos los que habéis sido bautizados en Cristo, de Cristo estáis revestidos.» Entonces, es obvio mediante el contexto que el bautismo es una acción de la obediencia de fe que tenemos que cumplir para entrar en Cristo y para ser revestidos de él. Gálatas 3:26, por eso, no enseña la salvación por la fe solamente. Enseña lo opuesto, que es necesario ser bautizado, y que en el bautismo es cuando somos salvados por la fe.



Espero que esta breve informacion les sirva.


Bendiciones:radiante:
 
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Max Lucado
General Teachings/Activities
- Max Lucado is pulpit minister of Oak Hills Church of Christ in San Antonio, Texas, and the author of 15 books, including: And the Angels Were Silent, He Still Moves Stones, The Applause of Heaven, God Came Near, In the Eye of the Storm, On the Anvil, Six Hours One Friday, In the Grip of Grace, You Are Special, When God Whispers Your Name, A Gentle Thunder, The Great House of God, and No Wonder They Call Him the Savior. His popularity as an author is evidenced by the fact that at one time he had three top ten best-sellers simultaneously. When God Whispers Your Name was the number one hardback seller for eight straight months. In addition, at the time Lucado had 11 books in print, all of these books simultaneously appeared on the Christian Booksellers Association hardcover, paperback, and children's best-seller lists. Lucado has won six Gold Medallion Awards, and served as general editor of the recently released New Century Version The Inspirational Study Bible, a so-called "everyday language" version. Lucado's 15-minute radio program, UpWords, is heard daily in 30 states on more than 180 stations.

- Lucado's Oak Hills Church teaches an unbiblical unconditional love/acceptance concept quite typical of feelings-oriented churches. They state: "At Oak Hills We Teach... LOVE -- We are a family of believers who accept each other because God has accepted each of us." They also teach the Church of Christ's false doctrine that salvation comes only after baptism (i.e., "baptismal regeneration") (All quotes from the Oak Hills Church of Christ official Internet web site -- updated 7/15/95; copied 7/12/96; and re-verified 2/98):

"It is necessary to respond to God's free offer of salvation by faith, repentance, and baptism. As we confess Christ as our Lord and are baptized by immersion, God meets us, forgives our sins and gives us the gift of the Holy Spirit that empowers each of us." Lucado also makes it clear that doctrine will not stand in the way of unity at Oak Hills: "While avoiding entanglement in the creeds and traditions, we make a diligent effort to follow Christ. The original followers of Christ (the first century church) provide an inspiring model of lifestyle, worship, doctrine, and organization that, in principle, is to be followed in our century." (Emphases added.)

Most Christians are not aware that this best-selling author is a pastor of the Oak Hills Church of Christ. Sadly, most Christians are not aware that the Church of Christ adds onto the Gospel either. Max Lucado is on literally hundreds of Christian radio stations and every week his books hold several positions on the Christian non-fiction best-seller list. Some say that perhaps Max Lucado is not a member of the Boston Church of Christ, so the fact that he pastors at the Oak Hills Church of Christ is not a problem. I can only point you to the Oak Hills Church of Christ's homepage and ask you to read their statement of faith under the topic of, "What We Teach." See for yourself that Max Lucado is indeed masquerading as a Christian in Christian circles. It should really bother Christians that the Church of Christ teaches that if you were baptized already believing your sins were forgiven, that you need to reject that baptism. Then, after renouncing that baptism and believing that you were never saved in the first place, that you will never be saved until you are baptized for the express purpose of having your sins forgiven. This is a false gospel that damns to hell! (Gal. 1:6-9).

- Lucado has a touchy-feely writing style that appears to be an attempt to get the reader to identify with the human side of Jesus. The result is heresy at best and blasphemy at worst. In his book, No Wonder They Call Him the Savior (Multnomah, 1986:199ppgs.), Lucado blasphemes the Lord Jesus Christ with the following statement (pp. 131-132):

"Now, look into the picture. Look closely through the shadowy foliage. See that person? See that solitary figure? What's he doing? Flat on the ground. Face stained with dirt and tears. Fists pounding the hard earth. Eyes wide with a stupor of fear. Hair matted with salty sweat. Is that blood on his forehead? That's Jesus. Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane. ... Does this look like the picture of a saintly Jesus resting in the palm of God? Hardly. ... We see an agonizing, straining, and struggling Jesus. We see a 'man of sorrows.' We see a man struggling with fear, wrestling with commitments, and yearning for relief." (Emphasis added.)

Jesus in a stupor of fear? What we see is blasphemy (defined as the defamation of the person or nature of God)! It appears that in Lucado's attempt to help us identify with the "human side" of Jesus, he has engaged in gross speculation, in effect rewriting the Bible's account of Jesus time in the Garden, and thereby, he portrays a different Jesus -- a sinful One!

The Bible tells us not to fear, but to trust God. The Bible tells us that greater is He who is in us than he who is in the world. The Bible tells us that perfect love drives out fear. The Bible tells us to be anxious for nothing. If Jesus agonized, strained, struggled, wrestled, and yearned as Lucado speculates, particularly if he fell into a stupor of fear as Lucado contends, then Jesus would have sinned and could not possibly have been the God and Savior He claimed to be -- and that's blasphemy!

- Lucado was a speaker at the 1995 Christian Booksellers Association (CBA) Convention. Lucado gave a call to unity among Christians across denominational lines. Likening Christians to sailors on the same boat with "one captain" and "one destination," Lucado urged acceptance between Protestants and Catholics, Baptists, and Presbyterians. (Reported in the 12/95, Fundamentalist Digest.)

- Campus Crusade founder Bill Bright fasted 40 days during the summer of 1994, during which he claims to have received a "prophecy from God" that a mighty revival is coming. He then issued a call for hundreds of liberals, charismatics, and new-evangelicals to gather in Orlando 12/5/94-12/7/94 to fast and pray for revival. An Invitation Committee made up of a hodgepodge of 72 liberals, new evangelicals, and charismatics was formed. Included were: Robert Schuller, Charles Colson, E.V. Hill, Jack Hayford, James Dobson, W.A. Criswell, Charles Stanley, Paul Crouch, Luis Palau, Bill Gothard, Pat Robertson, Kay Arthur, and Larry Burkett. CCC's Bill Bright cites "a great sense of urgency to link arms and unitedly call upon God for help in the spirit of King Jehoshaphat (2 Chr. 20)." This ecumenical "linking" is in the "spirit of Jehoshaphat" indeed, but the Jehoshaphat of 2 Chr. 18 (instead of 2 Chr. 20) where he "linked" with wicked King Ahab and incurred the wrath of God. (Reported in the 11/15/94, Calvary Contender.)

[Another three-day "Fasting & Prayer" conference was held in 11/95 in Los Angeles; it attracted 3,500 "evangelicals" and charismatics. The Invitation/Host Committee for this event included most of those listed above, plus Dick Eastman, Chuck Smith, Bill McCartney (Promise Keepers), Tim and Beverly LaHaye, Shirley Dobson, Paul Cedar (E-Free), Ted Engstrom (World Vision), Joseph Stowell (Moody), and Joseph Aldrich (Multnomah). A third conference was held 11/14/96-11/16/96 in St. Louis. New additions to the Host Committee included Max Lucado, Henry Blackaby, Loren Cunningham (YWAM), Greg Laurie, Dennis Rainey, Randy Phillips (Promise Keepers), Josh McDowell, D. James Kennedy, Howard Hendricks, and Neil Anderson. Fasting and Prayer '97 was held in Dallas, November 12-14; speakers included Bill Bright, Shirley Dobson, Pat Robertson, Tony Evans, and Paul Cedar (Alliance Life, 5/7/97).]

- Promise Keepers is the gigantic new (1991) "men's movement" among professing evangelical Christians. Its roots are Catholic and charismatic to the core. PK's contradictory stand on homosexuality; its promotion of secular psychology; its unscriptural feminizing of men; its depiction of Jesus as a "phallic messiah" tempted to perform homosexual acts; and its ecumenical and unbiblical teachings should dissuade any true Christian from participating. Promise Keepers is proving to be one of the most ungodly and misleading movements in the annals of Christian history. Nevertheless, Max Lucado is a promoter of this ecumenical, charismatic, psychologized men's movement, as evidenced by his speaking at two 1997 Promise Keepers stadium rallies. He was also a speaker at the October 1997 "Stand in the Gap" rally in Washington, D.C., where he led the crowd in confessing the sin of disunity in the Body of Christ. [Using the same technique that he did at the PK Clergy Conference in Atlanta, in February 1996 (see next item), Lucado had people call out all at once the various denominations with which they were identified. Of course, the result was a confused, loud sound. Then they were asked to shout out the name of Jesus, and they willingly did so in unison. In this manner Lucado shows that PK is unified because they claim to love Jesus.] He has also taken-on the position of V.P. of PK's Ministry Advancement.

- At the 1996 Promise Keepers Clergy Conference in Atlanta, Lucado was the keynote speaker. His message dealt with "Denominational Harmony: From Bondage to Freedom." Lucado spoke of PK's statement of faith and emphasized that they are committed to truth and unity, "which are equal." He said, "I submit myself to the Word and there are core beliefs. However, for too long we have allowed our differences to divide us instead of our agreements to unite us." He urged that they subscribe to the premise, "In essentials unity -- in non-essentials charity."

[O TIMOTHY editor, David Cloud: We wonder if Lucado considers the gospel itself "essential"? If so, how can he yoke together with Roman Catholics who add sacraments to Christ's salvation? The phrase "in essentials unity -- in non-essentials charity" is a smokescreen for disobedience to Biblical separation. While not every teaching of Scripture is of equal importance, the Bible does not divide doctrine into essential and non-essential. Timothy's job in Ephesus was to make certain that NO OTHER DOCTRINE be allowed (1 Tim. 1:3). There is no hint here that some portions of apostolic truth are "non-essential." Paul labored to preach the whole counsel of God (Acts 20:27). The man who strives to be faithful to every detail of New Testament truth will find it impossible to be comfortable in an ecumenical Promise Keepers-type environment. As one wise man observed, "You will have a limited fellowship, or you will have a limited message."]

Lucado then had the 40,000 call out their denominations all at once, and in the mixed multitude none could be identified. When Lucado asked them who was the Messiah, "Jesus" was the immediate response, and that name came through loud and clear. Lucado said, "The sin of disunity causes people to go to Hell!" (No chapter and verse was given.). "The step to unity is acceptance and no longer to speak evil of one another. WOULD IT NOT BE WONDERFUL NOT TO BE KNOWN AS EITHER PROTESTANT OR CATHOLIC? This is a God-sized dream and no one in our generation has ever seen the Church united."

[O TIMOTHY editor, David Cloud: This is not a "God-sized dream"; it is the vision of the Harlot that John recorded in Revelation 17. [Lucado and Promise Keepers are] confused about the church. It certainly is not all the alleged Christian denominations. The focus on the New Testament Scriptures is upon the church as a local body of baptized believers organized according to the apostolic pattern for the fulfillment of the Great Commission. This is the church which is the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Tim. 3). To define the "church" as the denominations and to call for this hodgepodge of doctrinal and moral confusion "to stand together" is utter confusion. The denominations today are more akin to the Harlot of Revelation 17 than to the church of Jesus Christ.]

LUCADO THEN PLED THAT EVERY CLERGYMAN WHO HAD EVER SPOKEN AGAINST ANOTHER GROUP OR DENOMINATION, FIND A MEMBER OF THAT GROUP AND APOLOGIZE. Steve Green then belted out repeatedly "Let the Walls Come Down." The 40,000 ministers shouted, whistled, clapped, and cheered as they worked to a higher and higher pitch of emotion.

[O TIMOTHY editor, David Cloud: We are to apologize for warning people of false gospels and false baptisms and false spirits and false Christs and false sacraments and false mediators and false views of the church and false views of Scripture? We are to apologize for warning of sin and worldliness and compromise? I have spoken against many Christian groups and denominations, because God commands me to preach the truth AND to expose error (2 Timothy 4:1-6). I refuse to apologize for obeying God. By God's grace I am going to keep on exposing error until the Lord takes me to Glory. And by God's grace I am going to name names and be specific about the error and the sin. Oh God, help us have the courage in these evil hours to honor and obey you rather than man.]

- Lee Strobel is a pastor on the staff of church growth guru Bill Hybels' Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois. Strobel has authored a number of heretical books, one being a 1993 book titled Inside the Mind of Unchurched Harry & Mary: How to Reach Friends and Family Who Avoid God and the Church. The book is endorsed in its Foreword by Bill Hybels, and on the jacket is endorsed/recommended by thirteen even more neo-evangelical psychologizers, including Max Lucado, Tony Campolo, Howard Hendricks, Stuart Briscoe, C. Peter Wagner, Joseph Stowell, Elmer Towns, Bill Bright, and Gary Collins. In this book, Strobel makes it clear that he was drawn to Hybels' church, not by the message of truth, but by the music of the world. After he found himself comfortable with the music and modern style of worship, he simply reasoned his way to a conversion experience. Strobel is completely geared to a needs based religion. His purpose is to meet man's needs, based on his own perception, rather than honoring man's obligation to worship and glorify God. Strobel's purpose is to find out what works, and not to find out what is Biblical. His purpose is to please lost, unregenerative men, and not to please God. To read Strobel's book (and by nature of endorsement, Max Lucado's thoughts also) you come up with the idea that the problem with people is that they are simply unchurched. To the contrary, they need to be seen as lost and in need of a Savior (1/96, Plains Baptist Challenger, pp. 5-7).

- In early-1995, Lucado was working on a novel based on the fictional account of Jesus life as if He were born in the South in the United States today. Lucado said he was thinking of titling it The Gospel According to Manny (Manny being short for Immanuel). Lucado's only concern for this title is that "Manny doesn't sound like a Southern name" (June/July 1995, Release).

The interviewer of the Release article suggested to Lucado that he might want to change the title of The Gospel According to Manny to The Gospel According to Manny Joe-Bob, in order to better reflect Jesus's fictitious Southern heritage. Lucado said he liked that idea. [All this is not surprising when one considers the everyday, flippant, irreverent attitude Lucado has toward the Savior -- in his office, Lucado has hung a sketch of Jesus laughing hysterically (5/15/96, Calvary Contender)].


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Max Lucado
General Teachings/Activities
- Max Lucado is pulpit minister of Oak Hills Church of Christ in San Antonio, Texas, and the author of 15 books, including: And the Angels Were Silent, He Still Moves Stones, The Applause of Heaven, God Came Near, In the Eye of the Storm, On the Anvil, Six Hours One Friday, In the Grip of Grace, You Are Special, When God Whispers Your Name, A Gentle Thunder, The Great House of God, and No Wonder They Call Him the Savior. His popularity as an author is evidenced by the fact that at one time he had three top ten best-sellers simultaneously. When God Whispers Your Name was the number one hardback seller for eight straight months. In addition, at the time Lucado had 11 books in print, all of these books simultaneously appeared on the Christian Booksellers Association hardcover, paperback, and children's best-seller lists. Lucado has won six Gold Medallion Awards, and served as general editor of the recently released New Century


Version The Inspirational Study Bible, a so-called "everyday language" version. Lucado's 15-minute radio program, UpWords, is heard daily in 30 states on more than 180 stations.

- Lucado's Oak Hills Church teaches an unbiblical unconditional love/acceptance concept quite typical of feelings-oriented churches. They state: "At Oak Hills We Teach... LOVE -- We are a family of believers who accept each other because God has accepted each of us." They also teach the Church of Christ's false doctrine that salvation comes only after baptism (i.e., "baptismal regeneration") (All quotes from the Oak Hills Church of Christ official Internet web site -- updated 7/15/95; copied 7/12/96; and re-verified 2/98):

"It is necessary to respond to God's free offer of salvation by faith, repentance, and baptism. As we confess Christ as our Lord and are baptized by immersion, God meets us, forgives our sins and gives us the gift of the Holy Spirit that empowers each of us." Lucado also makes it clear that doctrine will not stand in the way of unity at Oak Hills: "While avoiding entanglement in the creeds and traditions, we make a diligent effort to follow Christ. The original followers of Christ (the first century church) provide an inspiring model of lifestyle, worship, doctrine, and organization that, in principle, is to be followed in our century." (Emphases added.)

Most Christians are not aware that this best-selling author is a pastor of the Oak Hills Church of Christ. Sadly, most Christians are not aware that the Church of Christ adds onto the Gospel either. Max Lucado is on literally hundreds of Christian radio stations and every week his books hold several positions on the Christian non-fiction best-seller list. Some say that perhaps Max Lucado is not a member of the Boston Church of Christ, so the fact that he pastors at the Oak Hills Church of Christ is not a problem. I can only point you to the Oak Hills Church of Christ's homepage and ask you to read their statement of faith under the topic of, "What We Teach." See for yourself that Max Lucado is indeed masquerading as a Christian in Christian circles. It should really bother Christians that the Church of Christ teaches that if you were baptized already believing your sins were forgiven, that you need to reject that baptism. Then, after renouncing that baptism and believing that you were never saved in the first place, that you will never be saved until you are baptized for the express purpose of having your sins forgiven. This is a false gospel that damns to hell! (Gal. 1:6-9).

- Lucado has a touchy-feely writing style that appears to be an attempt to get the reader to identify with the human side of Jesus. The result is heresy at best and blasphemy at worst. In his book, No Wonder They Call Him the Savior (Multnomah, 1986:199ppgs.), Lucado blasphemes the Lord Jesus Christ with the following statement (pp. 131-132):

"Now, look into the picture. Look closely through the shadowy foliage. See that person? See that solitary figure? What's he doing? Flat on the ground. Face stained with dirt and tears. Fists pounding the hard earth. Eyes wide with a stupor of fear. Hair matted with salty sweat. Is that blood on his forehead? That's Jesus. Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane. ... Does this look like the picture of a saintly Jesus resting in the palm of God? Hardly. ... We see an agonizing, straining, and struggling Jesus. We see a 'man of sorrows.' We see a man struggling with fear, wrestling with commitments, and yearning for relief." (Emphasis added.)

Jesus in a stupor of fear? What we see is blasphemy (defined as the defamation of the person or nature of God)! It appears that in Lucado's attempt to help us identify with the "human side" of Jesus, he has engaged in gross speculation, in effect rewriting the Bible's account of Jesus time in the Garden, and thereby, he portrays a different Jesus -- a sinful One!

The Bible tells us not to fear, but to trust God. The Bible tells us that greater is He who is in us than he who is in the world. The Bible tells us that perfect love drives out fear. The Bible tells us to be anxious for nothing. If Jesus agonized, strained, struggled, wrestled, and yearned as Lucado speculates, particularly if he fell into a stupor of fear as Lucado contends, then Jesus would have sinned and could not possibly have been the God and Savior He claimed to be -- and that's blasphemy!

- Lucado was a speaker at the 1995 Christian Booksellers Association (CBA) Convention. Lucado gave a call to unity among Christians across denominational lines. Likening Christians to sailors on the same boat with "one captain" and "one destination," Lucado urged acceptance between Protestants and Catholics, Baptists, and Presbyterians. (Reported in the 12/95, Fundamentalist Digest.)

- Campus Crusade founder Bill Bright fasted 40 days during the summer of 1994, during which he claims to have received a "prophecy from God" that a mighty revival is coming. He then issued a call for hundreds of liberals, charismatics, and new-evangelicals to gather in Orlando 12/5/94-12/7/94 to fast and pray for revival. An Invitation Committee made up of a hodgepodge of 72 liberals, new evangelicals, and charismatics was formed. Included were: Robert Schuller, Charles Colson, E.V. Hill, Jack Hayford, James Dobson, W.A. Criswell, Charles Stanley, Paul Crouch, Luis Palau, Bill Gothard, Pat Robertson, Kay Arthur, and Larry Burkett. CCC's Bill Bright cites "a great sense of urgency to link arms and unitedly call upon God for help in the spirit of King Jehoshaphat (2 Chr. 20)." This ecumenical "linking" is in the "spirit of Jehoshaphat" indeed, but the Jehoshaphat of 2 Chr. 18 (instead of 2 Chr. 20) where he "linked" with wicked King Ahab and incurred the wrath of God. (Reported in the 11/15/94, Calvary Contender.)

[Another three-day "Fasting & Prayer" conference was held in 11/95 in Los Angeles; it attracted 3,500 "evangelicals" and charismatics. The Invitation/Host Committee for this event included most of those listed above, plus Dick Eastman, Chuck Smith, Bill McCartney (Promise Keepers), Tim and Beverly LaHaye, Shirley Dobson, Paul Cedar (E-Free), Ted Engstrom (World Vision), Joseph Stowell (Moody), and Joseph Aldrich (Multnomah). A third conference was held 11/14/96-11/16/96 in St. Louis. New additions to the Host Committee included Max Lucado, Henry Blackaby, Loren Cunningham (YWAM), Greg Laurie, Dennis Rainey, Randy Phillips (Promise Keepers), Josh McDowell, D. James Kennedy, Howard Hendricks, and Neil Anderson. Fasting and Prayer '97 was held in Dallas, November 12-14; speakers included Bill Bright, Shirley Dobson, Pat Robertson, Tony Evans, and Paul Cedar (Alliance Life, 5/7/97).]

- Promise Keepers is the gigantic new (1991) "men's movement" among professing evangelical Christians. Its roots are Catholic and charismatic to the core. PK's contradictory stand on homosexuality; its promotion of secular psychology; its unscriptural feminizing of men; its depiction of Jesus as a "phallic messiah" tempted to perform homosexual acts; and its ecumenical and unbiblical teachings should dissuade any true Christian from participating. Promise Keepers is proving to be one of the most ungodly and misleading movements in the annals of Christian history. Nevertheless, Max Lucado is a promoter of this ecumenical, charismatic, psychologized men's movement, as evidenced by his speaking at two 1997 Promise Keepers stadium rallies. He was also a speaker at the October 1997 "Stand in the Gap" rally in Washington, D.C., where he led the crowd in confessing the sin of disunity in the Body of Christ. [Using the same technique that he did at the PK Clergy Conference in Atlanta, in February 1996 (see next item), Lucado had people call out all at once the various denominations with which they were identified. Of course, the result was a confused, loud sound. Then they were asked to shout out the name of Jesus, and they willingly did so in unison. In this manner Lucado shows that PK is unified because they claim to love Jesus.] He has also taken-on the position of V.P. of PK's Ministry Advancement.

- At the 1996 Promise Keepers Clergy Conference in Atlanta, Lucado was the keynote speaker. His message dealt with "Denominational Harmony: From Bondage to Freedom." Lucado spoke of PK's statement of faith and emphasized that they are committed to truth and unity, "which are equal." He said, "I submit myself to the Word and there are core beliefs. However, for too long we have allowed our differences to divide us instead of our agreements to unite us." He urged that they subscribe to the premise, "In essentials unity -- in non-essentials charity."

[O TIMOTHY editor, David Cloud: We wonder if Lucado considers the gospel itself "essential"? If so, how can he yoke together with Roman Catholics who add sacraments to Christ's salvation? The phrase "in essentials unity -- in non-essentials charity" is a smokescreen for disobedience to Biblical separation. While not every teaching of Scripture is of equal importance, the Bible does not divide doctrine into essential and non-essential. Timothy's job in Ephesus was to make certain that NO OTHER DOCTRINE be allowed (1 Tim. 1:3). There is no hint here that some portions of apostolic truth are "non-essential." Paul labored to preach the whole counsel of God (Acts 20:27). The man who strives to be faithful to every detail of New Testament truth will find it impossible to be comfortable in an ecumenical Promise Keepers-type environment. As one wise man observed, "You will have a limited fellowship, or you will have a limited message."]

Lucado then had the 40,000 call out their denominations all at once, and in the mixed multitude none could be identified. When Lucado asked them who was the Messiah, "Jesus" was the immediate response, and that name came through loud and clear. Lucado said, "The sin of disunity causes people to go to Hell!" (No chapter and verse was given.). "The step to unity is acceptance and no longer to speak evil of one another. WOULD IT NOT BE WONDERFUL NOT TO BE KNOWN AS EITHER PROTESTANT OR CATHOLIC? This is a God-sized dream and no one in our generation has ever seen the Church united."

[O TIMOTHY editor, David Cloud: This is not a "God-sized dream"; it is the vision of the Harlot that John recorded in Revelation 17. [Lucado and Promise Keepers are] confused about the church. It certainly is not all the alleged Christian denominations. The focus on the New Testament Scriptures is upon the church as a local body of baptized believers organized according to the apostolic pattern for the fulfillment of the Great Commission. This is the church which is the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Tim. 3). To define the "church" as the denominations and to call for this hodgepodge of doctrinal and moral confusion "to stand together" is utter confusion. The denominations today are more akin to the Harlot of Revelation 17 than to the church of Jesus Christ.]

LUCADO THEN PLED THAT EVERY CLERGYMAN WHO HAD EVER SPOKEN AGAINST ANOTHER GROUP OR DENOMINATION, FIND A MEMBER OF THAT GROUP AND APOLOGIZE. Steve Green then belted out repeatedly "Let the Walls Come Down." The 40,000 ministers shouted, whistled, clapped, and cheered as they worked to a higher and higher pitch of emotion.

[O TIMOTHY editor, David Cloud: We are to apologize for warning people of false gospels and false baptisms and false spirits and false Christs and false sacraments and false mediators and false views of the church and false views of Scripture? We are to apologize for warning of sin and worldliness and compromise? I have spoken against many Christian groups and denominations, because God commands me to preach the truth AND to expose error (2 Timothy 4:1-6). I refuse to apologize for obeying God. By God's grace I am going to keep on exposing error until the Lord takes me to Glory. And by God's grace I am going to name names and be specific about the error and the sin. Oh God, help us have the courage in these evil hours to honor and obey you rather than man.]

- Lee Strobel is a pastor on the staff of church growth guru Bill Hybels' Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois. Strobel has authored a number of heretical books, one being a 1993 book titled Inside the Mind of Unchurched Harry & Mary: How to Reach Friends and Family Who Avoid God and the Church. The book is endorsed in its Foreword by Bill Hybels, and on the jacket is endorsed/recommended by thirteen even more neo-evangelical psychologizers, including Max Lucado, Tony Campolo, Howard Hendricks, Stuart Briscoe, C. Peter Wagner, Joseph Stowell, Elmer Towns, Bill Bright, and Gary Collins. In this book, Strobel makes it clear that he was drawn to Hybels' church, not by the message of truth, but by the music of the world. After he found himself comfortable with the music and modern style of worship, he simply reasoned his way to a conversion experience. Strobel is completely geared to a needs based religion. His purpose is to meet man's needs, based on his own perception, rather than honoring man's obligation to worship and glorify God. Strobel's purpose is to find out what works, and not to find out what is Biblical. His purpose is to please lost, unregenerative men, and not to please God. To read Strobel's book (and by nature of endorsement, Max Lucado's thoughts also) you come up with the idea that the problem with people is that they are simply unchurched. To the contrary, they need to be seen as lost and in need of a Savior (1/96, Plains Baptist Challenger, pp. 5-7).

- In early-1995, Lucado was working on a novel based on the fictional account of Jesus life as if He were born in the South in the United States today. Lucado said he was thinking of titling it The Gospel According to Manny (Manny being short for Immanuel). Lucado's only concern for this title is that "Manny doesn't sound like a Southern name" (June/July 1995, Release).

The interviewer of the Release article suggested to Lucado that he might want to change the title of The Gospel According to Manny to The Gospel According to Manny Joe-Bob, in order to better reflect Jesus's fictitious Southern heritage. Lucado said he liked that idea. [All this is not surprising when one considers the everyday, flippant, irreverent attitude Lucado has toward the Savior -- in his office, Lucado has hung a sketch of Jesus laughing hysterically (5/15/96, Calvary Contender)].


Biblical Discernment Ministries - Revised 3/98

Soy Virginia y no se el idioma ingles, pero tengo mucho interes en lo de Max Lucado lei un libro algo sobre el cielo lo lei casi todo estando donde una amiga pero no note nada equivocado.

Si me gustaria que dieran fuentes precisas y en español como es tu caso pues me quede en las mismas.

Como es una acusacion tan grave es necesario investigar bien para bien de los hermanos que leen esos libros, aca en Medellin, y en Colombia se venden mucho.
 
Trabajando... ;)

Buscaré información en español.
Me gustaría haber traducido esto que pegué, pero la verdad me parece un poco fastidioso.
Sin embargo, si hay hermanos que lean inglés, estaría bueno que cometaran al respecto.
En cuanto a lo que pides, Virginia, buscaré si algo hay en español, aunque lo dudo, ya que normalmente las ediciones hispanas están enfocdas más que otra cosa a la comercialización y no al análisis por lo que "hablar mal" de un autor que deja ganancias, no es un buen negocio. ¿Comprendes?
:cool:
A ver qué encuentro.
 
Prueba de que es ecumenista...

Prueba de que es ecumenista...

DLB a todos:

El siguiente link prueba que Max Lucado es ecumenista, no se espanten si ven algún autor predilecto en la lista de los que firman este documento junto a Católicos Romanos:

http://home.worldonline.es/juliomar/estudios/Ecu2.htm

ando investigando aún pero a grandes razgos el escrito en inglés que puso el hermano H... dice que es pastor de la Iglesia de Cristo de Oak hills y confirma lo demás que ya se expuso, solo faltaría ver s es unitario o no...
 
La "Iglesia de Cristo" Habla y dice que los evangélicos no somos sus Hermanos.

La "Iglesia de Cristo" Habla y dice que los evangélicos no somos sus Hermanos.

DLB a todos:

Lo hallé en español... chequen este link con la posición oficial de la Iglesia de Cristo respecto a los Cristianos Evangélicos y vean que ni siquiera nos consideran hermanos, ahi tambien leeran sus peculiares doctrinas... ahhh y ellos mismo consideran a Lucado una ecumenista...

http://www.creced.com/spanish/articulos/conceptos sectarios/ecumenismoMonroy.html
 
Yo he leído varios libros de Max Lucado, y al igual que Virginia, no he encontrado en ellos nada blasfemo.


Hemos de cuidarnos mucho de este tipo de acusaciones si son infundadas o si no podemos comprobarlas por nosotros mismos. Similares están intentando atacar el buen testimonio de algunos hermanos como Marcos Witt y otros, y veo en ello la obra del enemigo.


Jamás diré que alguien no es hermano o no es salvo por tener alguna postura que yo no considere bíblica o no esté de acuerdo con ella; por ejemplo, yo no estoy de acuerdo con la postura de Artus con respecto a la prosperidad y tengo mi opinión personal al respecto, pero no voy a ir acusando a Artus de sus creencias y decir por ello que el es esto o aquello; creo que el Espíritu Santo se va encargando de mostrarnos a cada uno nuestros errores doctrinales, si queremos aceptarlos.



Y tened misericordia de algunos que dudan;a otros, salvad, arrebatándolos del fuego; y de otros tened misericordia con temor, aborreciendo aun la ropa contaminada por la carne.
.
(Judas 22-23)
 
Yo tampoco dije que fuera blasfemo...

Yo tampoco dije que fuera blasfemo...

DTB MAripaz...

dejando lo de prosperidad para otro apartado y entrando en el tema te digo:

Yo solo he leido un libro de el el cual se me hizo bonito, clasico libro al estilo muy juvenil y exaltaba mucho la humanidad de Jesús, no encuentro nada malo en ello, y vuelvo a repetir el epigrafe no es para atacar la persona de Max Lucado y menos de quienes lo leen (a mi esposa tambien le gustan sus libros).

Lo que yo hallo raro y es lo que expongo aquí, es que:

1. Pertenece a una organización que en Estados Unidos es considerada alejada de las doctrinas Cristianas Bíblicas.

2. Dicha organización, La Iglesia de Cristo, predica que NO ES POR FE QUE SOMOS SALVOS sino por el bautismo en agua y por inmersión (es decir un presbiteriano para ellos no es salvo por esto) y la otra doctrina es que si no perteneces a SU organización en particular TAMPOCO PUEDES SER SALVO, según su LOGICA, es que su iglesia es "la iglesia de Cristo" y todas las demás denominaciones evangelicas son parte de la gran RAMERA (donde habré oido yo eso...), tan solo por que no predicamos que la salvación es por el bautismo en AGUA.

3. Otra cosa rarisima (y lo puedes comprobar en los links que compartí) es que LOS MISMOS miembros de la organización a la que LUCADO pertenece, lo acusan de SER ECUMENISTAS, primero por tener comunión con los CRISTIANOS que no son de la "Iglesia de Cristo" y segundo por tener comunión con CATOLICOS, y participar en eventos de tipo ECUMENICO.


Ahora la razón del epigrafe es porque YO MISMO ando investigando al respecto y ver si sus libros contienen algo no bíblico también, hasta donde se la mayoria de la gente que lo lee SON JOVENES o gente que gustan de la lectura ligera que NO COMPROMETE doctrinas o diferencias docrinales denominacionales, es decir que bien lo puede leer un bautista o un pentecostal o inclusive un catolico Y NO CONTRAVENDRA NI OFENDERA en nada las doctrinas particulares de CADA GRUPO.

Ahora una cosa, no se porque sacaste lo de la prosperidad, La prosperidad es una doctrina BIBLICA NEOTESTAMENTARIA y fundada en las escrituras, me parece que no aun has hecho una investigación seria al respecto de ella y analizado las escrituras para comprobar su realidad, yo antes NO CREIA EN PROSPERIDAD pero comence a creer porque LO LEI EN LA ESCRITURA y porque basandome en OBEDIENCIA A DIOS y su palabra Y EN TENER FE Y CONFIANZA EN EL el me ha dado por añadidura gran prosperidad en todos los sentidos... llevo 9 años de ser Cristiano y 6 que he creido en prosperidad y NO PUEDO DEJAR DE CREER EN ELLA no solo porque lo veo en la palabra de DIOS sino porque A MI SI ME HA FUNCIONADO el aplicar la BIBLIA a mis FINANZAS y el honrar a Dios con ellas... pero te digo ese es otro tema, si quieres hablamos de ello en otra parte.
 
Artus, dudo que las Iglesias de Cristo nieguen la salvación por fe. Otra cosa es que digan que el bautismo es necesario para salvarse o que el bautismo limpia de pecados (regeneración bautismal). Pero esto último también lo creen los luteranos, así que ... tú verás

Maripaz, confírmame un dato. Creo que Monroy, que fue el encargado durante mucho tiempo del espacio evangélico en el mini-programa de TVE "Tiempo de Creer" pertenece a las Iglesias de Cristo, ¿verdad?
 
Creo que los vínculos encontrados por Artus son excelentes.
Para salir de la duda, creo que lo mejor sería ir a la fuente, es decir, si han leído a Lucado, sería bueno que copiaran algo y lo discutiéramos.
De cualquier modo, la información es bastante interesante.
:angel:
 
No Luis no solo es eso...

No Luis no solo es eso...

DTB Luis:

No solo es ese asunto del bautismo, sino también que digan que fuera de su iglesia nadie es salvo.

Tuve un compañero en la universidad de la Iglesia de Cristo y no se cansaba de decir que yo no era salvo porque no atendía su particular "denominación", y porque cuando fui bautizado no lo fui por un lider de su iglesia...

Ahora si leiste el articulo en inglés te darás cuenta que Max Lucado es considerado "NEOEVANGELICO" (no la Iglesia de Cristo pero el si en particular) y si sabes lo que eso significa es que ellos se encuentran en el punto intermedio entre el fundamentalismo y el modernismo, es decir algunos aceptan ciertas ideas modernistas como que las historias del Antiguo Testamento no son veridicas, no aceptan que los libros de la Biblia hayan sido escritos por sus respectivos escritores reconocidos (dicen eso de que Genesis es una parte Yahvista y otra Elohista), que Daniel no profetizó nada realmente sino que el autor quien no es daniel solo acomodo los hechos historicos de Grecia un siglo antes de Jesucristo y cosas por el estilo.

Es decir los de la Iglesia de Cristo (no necesariamente MAX LUCADO), no consideran CRISTIANOS a los EVANGELICOS, ellos mismos no se consideran EVANGELICOS, y mucho menos CONSIDERAN CRISTIANOS A LOS CATOLICOS, sino miembros de la gran ramera (semejante a los adventistas).

Pero Max Lucado aun siendo miembro de esa denominación ES PARTICULARMNTE LIBERAL (más correcto como dice el artículo es NEOEVANGELICO), y tiene comunión con evangélicos y católicos, cosa que su propia denominación hace ver en uno de los links. Los Cristianos Evangelicos y Pentecostales no ecumenistas y que no comulgan con las ideas neoevangelicas son al parecer quienes lo estan EXPONIENDO, yo no he dicho que sea hereje, ni que no sea Cristiano o que sea falso profeta o algo así eso que lo juzgue cada quien con las pruebas presentadas, En mi opinión por lo que he leido, es un Ecumenista metido en una denominación exclusivista que dice que fuera de ellos nadie puede ser salvo y que la regeneración y salvación se lleva a cabo por el BAUTISMO y no por la fe... Los de su propia denominación parece que comienzan a exponerlo y también los evangélicos americanos, como que no encaja en ningún lado pues...

La otra cosa es que sus libros son vendidos en librerías evangélicas y como te digo son de tendecia ADOCTRINAL (Como los de Og mandino) donde no se compromete nada de su doctrina ni de la de su iglesia ni la de ninguna otra, pueden ser leidos por cualquiera y parece que a nadie ofenderán por lo que veo.

Que la pases bien...
 
Artus:
La otra cosa es que sus libros son vendidos en librerías evangélicas y como te digo son de tendecia ADOCTRINAL (Como los de Og mandino) donde no se compromete nada de su doctrina ni de la de su iglesia ni la de ninguna otra, pueden ser leidos por cualquiera y parece que a nadie ofenderán por lo que veo.

Luis:
Je, si yo te contara la cantidad de libros que se editan y que van en esa línea y que se venden en librerías evangélicas y católicas.
 
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DTB MAripaz...

dejando lo de prosperidad para otro apartado y entrando en el tema te digo:

Yo solo he leido un libro de el el cual se me hizo bonito, clasico libro al estilo muy juvenil y exaltaba mucho la humanidad de Jesús, no encuentro nada malo en ello, y vuelvo a repetir el epigrafe no es para atacar la persona de Max Lucado y menos de quienes lo leen (a mi esposa tambien le gustan sus libros).

Lo que yo hallo raro y es lo que expongo aquí, es que:

1. Pertenece a una organización que en Estados Unidos es considerada alejada de las doctrinas Cristianas Bíblicas.

2. Dicha organización, La Iglesia de Cristo, predica que NO ES POR FE QUE SOMOS SALVOS sino por el bautismo en agua y por inmersión (es decir un presbiteriano para ellos no es salvo por esto) y la otra doctrina es que si no perteneces a SU organización en particular TAMPOCO PUEDES SER SALVO, según su LOGICA, es que su iglesia es "la iglesia de Cristo" y todas las demás denominaciones evangelicas son parte de la gran RAMERA (donde habré oido yo eso...), tan solo por que no predicamos que la salvación es por el bautismo en AGUA.

3. Otra cosa rarisima (y lo puedes comprobar en los links que compartí) es que LOS MISMOS miembros de la organización a la que LUCADO pertenece, lo acusan de SER ECUMENISTAS, primero por tener comunión con los CRISTIANOS que no son de la "Iglesia de Cristo" y segundo por tener comunión con CATOLICOS, y participar en eventos de tipo ECUMENICO.


Ahora la razón del epigrafe es porque YO MISMO ando investigando al respecto y ver si sus libros contienen algo no bíblico también, hasta donde se la mayoria de la gente que lo lee SON JOVENES o gente que gustan de la lectura ligera que NO COMPROMETE doctrinas o diferencias docrinales denominacionales, es decir que bien lo puede leer un bautista o un pentecostal o inclusive un catolico Y NO CONTRAVENDRA NI OFENDERA en nada las doctrinas particulares de CADA GRUPO.

Ahora una cosa, no se porque sacaste lo de la prosperidad, La prosperidad es una doctrina BIBLICA NEOTESTAMENTARIA y fundada en las escrituras, me parece que no aun has hecho una investigación seria al respecto de ella y analizado las escrituras para comprobar su realidad, yo antes NO CREIA EN PROSPERIDAD pero comence a creer porque LO LEI EN LA ESCRITURA y porque basandome en OBEDIENCIA A DIOS y su palabra Y EN TENER FE Y CONFIANZA EN EL el me ha dado por añadidura gran prosperidad en todos los sentidos... llevo 9 años de ser Cristiano y 6 que he creido en prosperidad y NO PUEDO DEJAR DE CREER EN ELLA no solo porque lo veo en la palabra de DIOS sino porque A MI SI ME HA FUNCIONADO el aplicar la BIBLIA a mis FINANZAS y el honrar a Dios con ellas... pero te digo ese es otro tema, si quieres hablamos de ello en otra parte.




Artus


Yo solo he comentado que en los libros que he leído de el, :no: no encontré jamás nada que estuviera en desacuerdo con las doctrinas bíblicas que comparten la mayoría de cristianos evangélicos.


Solo nombré la prosperidad para demostrar que yo no pienso igual que tu y por ello no te desacredito como creyente, así que no entiendo porque hay que hablar sobre lo que cree Max Lucado, si en sus libros no se refleja, ni es de mala influencia para quienes los leen. No se puede criticar a los hermanos por pertenecer a una organización que cree esto o aquello, hemos de conocerlos por sus frutos..¿recuerdas? ;)


Así que si hemos de decir algo sobre Max Lucado, que sea sobre sus escritos por si encontramos en ellos alguna doctrina extraña a la Palabra.



Maripaz
 
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Artus


Yo solo he comentado que en los libros que he leído de el, :no: no encontré jamás nada que estuviera en desacuerdo con las doctrinas bíblicas que comparten la mayoría de cristianos evangélicos.


Solo nombré la prosperidad para demostrar que yo no pienso igual que tu y por ello no te desacredito como creyente, así que no entiendo porque hay que hablar sobre lo que cree Max Lucado, si en sus libros no se refleja, ni es de mala influencia para quienes los leen. No se puede criticar a los hermanos por pertenecer a una organización que cree esto o aquello, hemos de conocerlos por sus frutos..¿recuerdas? ;)


Así que si hemos de decir algo sobre Max Lucado, que sea sobre sus escritos por si encontramos en ellos alguna doctrina extraña a la Palabra.



Maripaz

Soy Virginia y saben ya me estaba preocupando pues en mi comunidad venden varios de esos libros y gustan mucho pero he leido apartes de algunos de los libros y no veo nada perfudicial.

La Biblia enseña que nos quedemos con lo bueno, y aunque el tenga unos puntos de vista distintos en la fe si no la involucra en sus libros creo que no nos hace daño, no tragamos entero y lo mismo lo hacemos cuando leemos otros libros no cristianos, ovemos una pelicula o escuchamos noticias. Dios nos da dicernimiento, y madurez.

Me han gustado mas otros autores es cierto y no he sacado tiempo para leer sus libros pero si alguien encontro algo que va contra la sana doctrina en los libros seria conveniete que lo cite textualmente.

En el amor de Cristo:beso: y abrazo a quienes amo:corazon:
 
Originalmente enviado por: hhmmss1
Saque cada quien sus propias conclusiones

Hasta quien no lea inglés puede darse cuenta de cierto número de nombres que aparecen en esta diatriba que podría adjudicarse a Cazadores de Brujas, o tal vez podríamos llamarla la Inquisición "protestante" o la Gestapo "bíblica".

Algunos de estos nombres, aparte de Lucado, son los de Neil Anderson, Tim La Haye, James Dobson, Bill Bright, D. James Kennedy, Charles Stanley, Charles Colson, Luis Palau y Lee Strobel.

A este último se le acusa directamente de hereje. Sin embargo, en mi opinión Strobel es un excelente apologista. Su libro The case for Jesus (recientemente traducido al español) es una muy buena introducción a las evidencias históricas acerca de Jesús. Otro libro suyo, God's Outrageous Claims (algo así como "Las afirmaciones escandalosas de Dios" trata muy adecuadamente de diversos aspectos de las enseñanzas bíblicas.

Acerca de Lucado, nuestro inquisidor, emulando a Caifás, llega a la conclusión de que blasfema sobre la base de la descripción muy gráfica que Lucado hace del sufrimiento de Jesús. Tal descripción, si bien es bastante libre, puede fundarse bíblicamente en Isaías 53 y los relatos evangélicos. A pesar de que Lucado no lo dice (al menos en la parte que se cita) el crítico deduce que Lucado quiso decir que Jesús era pecaminoso...

Ahora bien, el estilo de Max Lucado no es el que más me gusta, y el único libro suyo que he leído (porque me lo regalaron) es Y los ángeles guardaron silencio- La última semana de Jesús. De todos modos, no he visto en esta obra nada que pueda justificar una acusación seria de heterodoxia. Por el contrario, encuentro el libro instructivo, interesante y desafiante.

Así que por favor, dediquémonos a cosas más constructivas que la cacería de brujas al estilo de la página paradójicamente titulada "Discernimiento Bíblico". Yo la llamaría más bien "Prejuicios con excusas bíblicas".

Bendiciones en Cristo,

Jetonius

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